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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 12:51 PM
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BTW I've been a happy user of Quick Launch since the Win 95 days... or whenever it started.. just to give some context.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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My copy of Ultimate is currently sitting on my doorstep according to UPS. Has anyone tried XP Mode? I'm currently mulling over how I want to arrange the disk space on my new machine. If XP Mode maintains the VM as a single giant file, then I'm thinking I might be best off creating a dedicated partition for it.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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That chick is hot...But which torrerent is the best?
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
My copy of Ultimate is currently sitting on my doorstep according to UPS. Has anyone tried XP Mode? I'm currently mulling over how I want to arrange the disk space on my new machine. If XP Mode maintains the VM as a single giant file, then I'm thinking I might be best off creating a dedicated partition for it.
yeah it's just a 500mb preconfigured VHD file. Why would you make a separate partition?
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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That chick is hot...But which torrerent is the best?
you can have her I want that old lady
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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BTW I've been a happy user of Quick Launch since the Win 95 days... or whenever it started.. just to give some context.
I also have been using quick launch since forever...

used this to get it back.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...-in-windows-7/
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 01:50 PM
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I'm scared to leave XP.

My current PC is 4 years old now. Waiting till it deteriorates before I upgrade to a new machine altogether.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
yeah it's just a 500mb preconfigured VHD file. Why would you make a separate partition?
It's only 500 MB? Doesn't the XP guest OS see it's local C: drive as being the size of the VM (VHD) file? This is why I was thinking I would end up with a single 10-15 GB file. Files that big can become a PIA when it comes time to start worrying about disk fragmentation. Hence my thought at making a dedicated partition.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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Ok the download is 500mb. The VHD I have is currently 1.64gb. when I boot into XP and look at the C: drive it says 126gb and 2.21gb used. So it's a dynamic VHD that goes up to 126gb. Do you plan on using GB worth of space in XP mode? Do you got some big apps that won't run in 7?

My VHD is bone stock except for I've installed MSE on it for AV.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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OK, the fact that it's a dynamic VHD makes things much easier to plan for and deal with. This worst case scenario I envision for my XP mode would be to emulate someone using it at work. Even that's just the OS, Office, WordPerfect , and maybe a couple of additional browsers. I probably won't end up doing much of anything with XP mode. I just want to get it set up from the start so that I don't have to break out the shoe horn later on in order to make it fit somewhere.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 03:37 PM
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I figured I'd repost the keyboard shortcuts lists for those that haven't seen it yet. There's some new good ones too that I put in bold

The full list of keyboard shortcuts includes:

Win+Home: Clear all but the active window.
Win+Space: All windows become transparent so you can see through to the desktop.
Win+Up arrow: Maximize the active window.
Shift+Win+Up arrow: Maximize the active window vertically.
Win+Down arrow: Minimize the window/Restore the window if it's maximized.
Win+Left/Right arrows: Dock the window to each side of the monitor.
Shift+Win+Left/Right arrows: Move the window to the monitor on the left or right.
You can also interact with windows by dragging them with the mouse:

Drag window to the top: Maximize
Drag window left/right: Dock the window to fill half of the screen.
Shake window back/forth: Minimize everything but the current window.
Double-Click Top Window Border (edge): Maximize window vertically.

You can use any of these shortcut combinations to launch the applications in their respective position on the taskbar, or more:

Win+number (1-9): Starts the application pinned to the taskbar in that position, or switches to that program.
Shift+Win+number (1-9): Starts a new instance of the application pinned to the taskbar in that position.
Ctrl+Win+number (1-9): Cycles through open windows for the application pinned to the taskbar is that position.
Alt+Win+number (1-9): Opens the Jump List for the application pinned to the taskbar.
Win+T: Focus and scroll through items on the taskbar.
Win+B: Focuses the System Tray icons

In addition, you can interact with the taskbar using your mouse and a modifier key:
Shift+Click on a taskbar button: Open a program or quickly open another instance of a program.
Ctrl+Shift+Click on a taskbar button: Open a program as an administrator.
Shift+Right-click on a taskbar button: Show the window menu for the program (like XP does).
Shift+Right-click on a grouped taskbar button: Show the window menu for the group.
Ctrl+Click on a grouped taskbar button: Cycle through the windows of the group.

Here's a few more interesting hotkeys for you:
Ctrl+Shift+N: Creates a new folder in Windows Explorer.
Alt+Up: Goes up a folder level in Windows Explorer.

Alt+P: Toggles the preview pane in Windows Explorer.
Shift+Right-Click on a file: Adds Copy as Path, which copies the path of a file to the clipboard.
Shift+Right-Click on a file: Adds extra hidden items to the Send To menu.
Shift+Right-Click on a folder: Adds Command Prompt Here, which lets you easily open a command prompt in that folder.
Win+P: Adjust presentation settings for your display.
Win+(+/-): Zoom in/out.
Win+G: Cycle between the Windows Gadgets on your screen

http://lifehacker.com/5390086/the-ma...ws-7-shortcuts
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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Can anyone give me a rough idea how how big windows 7 is, compared to XP?
I like to have my windows/applications in a fairly small partition so it is
easy to image/restore.

For XP I just have a 30 gig partition. Data goes on a separate drive.

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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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yeah 30gb is fine.

If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:

1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor

1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)

16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)

DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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Stealing a copy along with VMware to test..
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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oh noes stogie!! Microsoft has pulled out of the Wndows 7/Family Guy Special! Supposedly it was too dirty for them. At least we have these few moments of unbridled humor during these dark times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBNPKvKibnY
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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Pretty funny with the clothing style changes

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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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If it was just MS saying the OS is great then I'd get the commercial but when it's pretty much everyone that's used it saying it's great then this commercial looks desperate. that Duran Duran look is hot though!
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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Up and running. First post from the new box.

And just to post something useful, here's the Windows 7 Power Shell Power Pack. I figure there may be something useful to someone in there.

http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/PowerShellPack
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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i need to upgrade my XP laptop to win7 already. ive been delaying bc i want the Intel ssd 80Gig but i can't find them for 240 anymore and is making me not happy.

there i something wrong with my xp and i need to upgrade asap. ugh decisions decision.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 08:34 PM
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question for you guys, If I bought a pc with 7 installed, is there a way to install it on another pc? bascially I'm thinking about buying a netbook to hackintosh, and since I wouldn't be using that windows 7 license, I'd like to use it on another pc. Anyway to do this?
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
question for you guys, If I bought a pc with 7 installed, is there a way to install it on another pc? bascially I'm thinking about buying a netbook to hackintosh, and since I wouldn't be using that windows 7 license, I'd like to use it on another pc. Anyway to do this?
As long as there is only one computer using the license (key code) it shouldn't matter what computer it's on. But if you buy already installed, you're most likely not to get a copy of W7 with it.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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Oh my god, windows 7 hates my desktop for some reason.

This likely my bios, but I first got this:
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Select CD-ROM Boot type:

That's it. I didn't know WTF 1 or 2 were. 2 didn't work, but 1 booted. eh?

Then a blank screen, and a mouse pointer which I could move around. That's it.
3 minutes and 43 seconds later, the 'Welcome to windows install' box finally popped up.
Then I hit 'install now', and it stalled on 'Setup is starting......' 6 minutes, 17 seconds
later, the licence agreement finally popped up.

Ack!

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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
If it was just MS saying the OS is great then I'd get the commercial but when it's pretty much everyone that's used it saying it's great then this commercial looks desperate. that Duran Duran look is hot though!
Until MS puts out a system that will run and run w/o problems for awhile, it's not proved that they can do it. W95 for OK, then they put out Me, which was shit. Then 98 was wasn't that much better, then XP which was better, then Vista which was shit. Now we have W7, just released a week ago. So the next release keeping with order should be shit, if it isn't, then things may be better.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
Oh my god, windows 7 hates my desktop for some reason.

This likely my bios, but I first got this:
1.
2.
Select CD-ROM Boot type:

That's it. I didn't know WTF 1 or 2 were. 2 didn't work, but 1 booted. eh?

Then a blank screen, and a mouse pointer which I could move around. That's it.
3 minutes and 43 seconds later, the 'Welcome to windows install' box finally popped up.
Then I hit 'install now', and it stalled on 'Setup is starting......' 6 minutes, 17 seconds
later, the licence agreement finally popped up.

Ack!

- Frank
I've had that too. It's your motherboard or something. It works but it's really slow! My home server is like that and my PC before I rebuilt it and replaced the motherboard was like that too. But now that I've replaced the motherboard it loads the DVD in normal fashion (still same DVD drive BTW)
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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FYI for those looking for or already own (of which I think I'm the only one) the Intel X-25M G2 SSD they released TRIM support for it today via a firmware update and the SSD Optimization Tool. My only gripe with my Intel SSD is that I know that the sustained write speed is artificially capped at 70mb/s. It's done intentionally as to not cannibalize the sale of Intel's faster but much more expensive SLC drive. A year ago it wasn't a big deal cause Intel was so far ahead of the competition nothing came close but now that the indilinx based drives are out they're close to performance of the X-25M and blow it away with almost 200mb/s write speed cause they don't artificially cap their speed.

Speaking of artificially capping sustained write speed Intel also magically increased the sustained write speed of the 160gb X-25m today from 70mb/s to 100mb/s. They're capable of much more but they won't allow it. I wish some hacker would release firmware that removes the artificial cap.

Anyways firmware and optimization tool can be had here
www.intel.com/go/ssdfirmware
www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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Until MS puts out a system that will run and run w/o problems for awhile, it's not proved that they can do it. W95 for OK, then they put out Me, which was shit. Then 98 was wasn't that much better, then XP which was better, then Vista which was shit. Now we have W7, just released a week ago. So the next release keeping with order should be shit, if it isn't, then things may be better.
Let's be a bit more detailed:

Windows 3.1: good, and as stable as the 3rd party apps installed on it.
Windows NT 3.5.1: good, stable business environment
Windows 95: very good, many people's first computer experience
Windows NT 4.0: excellent for business, not so for consumer
Windows 98: decent upgrade to match hardware advances
Windows ME: poor compatibility with modern hardware showing DOS has reach end-of-life
Windows XP: very good to excellent, a successful merge of NT 4.0's stability with Win98's consumer needs, probably not best utilized by software vendors until SP3
Windows Vista: probably best described as a testbed for new technologies.
Windows 7: So far, seems to have the excitement that Win95 had.

So, I only consider Windows ME and Windows Vista as flops. The former was an OS that hadn't kept up with hardware advances. The latter was a necessary evil to get vendor support for the new driver model, graphics engine, and tighter base security. If Vista hadn't provided the time for vendors to get caught up on these significant changes, W7 would be just as poorly received.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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So if they can do it for two complete cycles, then they have learned. But to put out Vista knowing it was shit, is the reason for more and more going to Mac. They did it with Me and didn't care that they did it again with Vista.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:51 PM
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Couldn't get this in in time...

So the DOS and NT platforms were running concurrent. The DOS platform ran from Windows 3.1 to Windows ME, where the platform could no longer support the hardware. The NT platform ran from Windows NT 3.5.1 through XP. XP could have had another version after it, but with the driver model change, another ME was avoided. Instead, a different problem was created with a sudden lack of drivers.

Although Vista and 7 both use the NT kernel, they are definitely different enough to consider them a new breed of Windows OS. I think we'll have some good Windows updates for some time now.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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So if they can do it for two complete cycles, then they have learned. But to put out Vista knowing it was shit, is the reason for more and more going to Mac. They did it with Me and didn't care that they did it again with Vista.
Yeah, Microsoft is a heartless corporation that doesn't care if they put out a shitty product

Was the Mac OS always perfect? Unix? Iphone? No, its trial and error...Some times its crap..Vista was released solely to address security flaws of XP. It was a rush job, but had to be done. They learned from it. Move on.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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I haven't used Mac but twice in my life 93-95 and the last two years. But for the last 16 yrs have used PC's everyday of my life.

When they can give back to back OS's that work, then they be a company that cares. I seen that damn W7 commercial at least 25 times in the last two days with football. That's all they keep saying is that we hear you and we care what you're saying.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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No iPhone 1.0 and 2.0 were solid feature complete products that were remarkably stable and had no security holes. As was OS X when it was first released. Snow Leopard has worked wonderfully for everyone, no device or program compatibilities at all, everything justed works. That story about a bug that deletes all user data simply by logging into the guest account is a lie spread by Bill Gates.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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So if they can do it for two complete cycles, then they have learned. But to put out Vista knowing it was shit, is the reason for more and more going to Mac. They did it with Me and didn't care that they did it again with Vista.
As far as putting "Vista out knowing it's shit", and "doing it with ME", I think I already made my point, but I'll reiterate. ME was needed to support new hardware for DOS-based systems. Sure, its lifetime was limited, but what do you tell your customers? NT 4.0 was out at the time, but it was not a consumer OS. I don't think it had great DirectX support. Those users could not go to NT4 without losing support for a lot of their hardware and software, but they couldn't use the new hardware like USB without going to ME.

When XP came out, it was clear that DOS was dead and that one platform could be viable for both business and consumer. People think this is the latest version of Windows 98/ME. It's not, it's an upgrade from NT 4.0.

So, learning from what happened between 98 and ME and not wanting something like that to happen again, they changed the driver model in Vista. I'm not going to ignore that they tried a lot of dumb things in the first release, but most of those were corrected in SP1.

So to directly respond to your point. Microsoft has created good operating systems multiple times in a row: Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, and NT 3.5.1, NT 4.0, XP. It's only a coincidence that two platforms ended at near the same time. If you compare Windows 3.1 to Windows 98 and Windows NT 3.5.1 to Windows XP, if Vista was the start of the next generation of Windows OS's, I think there's nothing but greatness ahead.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Anachostic
As far as putting "Vista out knowing it's shit", and "doing it with ME", I think I already made my point, but I'll reiterate. ME was needed to support new hardware for DOS-based systems. Sure, its lifetime was limited, but what do you tell your customers? NT 4.0 was out at the time, but it was not a consumer OS. I don't think it had great DirectX support. Those users could not go to NT4 without losing support for a lot of their hardware and software, but they couldn't use the new hardware like USB without going to ME.

When XP came out, it was clear that DOS was dead and that one platform could be viable for both business and consumer. People think this is the latest version of Windows 98/ME. It's not, it's an upgrade from NT 4.0.

So, learning from what happened between 98 and ME and not wanting something like that to happen again, they changed the driver model in Vista. I'm not going to ignore that they tried a lot of dumb things in the first release, but most of those were corrected in SP1.

So to directly respond to your point. Microsoft has created good operating systems multiple times in a row: Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, and NT 3.5.1, NT 4.0, XP. It's only a coincidence that two platforms ended at near the same time. If you compare Windows 3.1 to Windows 98 and Windows NT 3.5.1 to Windows XP, if Vista was the start of the next generation of Windows OS's, I think there's nothing but greatness ahead.
All three had problems, not as bad as ME but still problems. "Greatness" we'll see in three yrs. It's the same as dumb asses that bought Americans car 20 yrs in row, most drive another name plate now.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
No iPhone 1.0 and 2.0 were solid feature complete products that were remarkably stable and had no security holes. As was OS X when it was first released. Snow Leopard has worked wonderfully for everyone, no device or program compatibilities at all, everything justed works. That story about a bug that deletes all user data simply by logging into the guest account is a lie spread by Bill Gates.
You're a fanboy/bot, so just zip-it. How was your party?
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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No need to turn this into a Microsoft bashing thread, unless you are turning it into a W7 bashing thread.

After the few 5 minute delays, It did finally install.
Haven't started installing anything on top of it yet.

first gripe: can't 'fit to screen' background images anymore! that kind of bugs me for some reason (especially with dual monitor). Best you can do is tile.

Bootup time with my ssd: 16.5 seconds. Pretty good.

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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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Not really there are areas where MS offers a product and I don't get it. Game Console, phone, etc. Why should I zip it is everything I said not true. 1.0 wasn't stable until 1.1.4 and 2.0 didn't work well for my until 2.2.1, yes I choose to buy an iPhone. If I was an MS fanboy I sure as fuck would never get an iPhone. But in other areas MS has a product that has the features I need while Apple's doesn't.

What about the complete and total clusterfuck that was MobileMe? Apple knowingly released a shitty product and then expects their early adopters to be the beta testers like they do with all their products.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 10:45 PM
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que? maybe it's just your image? I haven't had a problem at all.

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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
Not really there are areas where MS offers a product and I don't get it. Game Console, phone, etc. Why should I zip it is everything I said not true. 1.0 wasn't stable until 1.1.4 and 2.0 didn't work well for my until 2.2.1, yes I choose to buy an iPhone. If I was an MS fanboy I sure as fuck would never get an iPhone. But in other areas MS has a product that has the features I need while Apple's doesn't.

What about the complete and total clusterfuck that was MobileMe? Apple knowingly released a shitty product and then expects their early adopters to be the beta testers like they do with all their products.
Just to clear it up, I'm not an Apple fanboy, there are two PC's in front of me both with XP, home and Pro and my wife just turned her newest laptop with Vista, off. But behind me, in my bag is a 2 yr old MBP. I call a company as I see it, and after problems I saw with 98 and screwed ME. I'll let the early adapters do it first.
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 11:05 PM
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I have more macs then you do!
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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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For a clear understanding about what happened with Vista in the beginning read the first page of the this Windows 7 review instead of getting your info from an Apple commercial.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/rev...the-review.ars
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