Monthly Car Sales news
10-02-2010, 02:10 AM
#1641
Evil Mazda Driver
Hyundai set a 48 percent sales increase for a record September selling month including a record month for the Genesis which is celebrating its 15th consecutive month of sales increases. 
Santa Fe sales continue to suffer due to Sonata production hogging a majority of the Alabama plant's capacity. With Santa Fe production now taking place at Kia's plant in West Point, Georgia, the numbers should start to reverse their decline shortly.
Figures are for September, 2010 with September, 2009 figures in parentheses. Green indicates a rise over last year to month and red indicates a decrease. One of those Santa Fe's is mine.
Accent: 4,885 (4,864)
Sonata: 20,639 (7,898)
Elantra: 10,062 (7,513)
Santa Fe: 3,719 (7,010)
Azera: 299 (339)
Tucson: 2,730 (1,583)
Veracruz: 992 (574)
Genesis: 3,230 (1,665)
http://hyundainews.com/Corporate_New...es_Release.asp
Santa Fe sales continue to suffer due to Sonata production hogging a majority of the Alabama plant's capacity. With Santa Fe production now taking place at Kia's plant in West Point, Georgia, the numbers should start to reverse their decline shortly.Figures are for September, 2010 with September, 2009 figures in parentheses. Green indicates a rise over last year to month and red indicates a decrease. One of those Santa Fe's is mine.
Accent: 4,885 (4,864)
Sonata: 20,639 (7,898)
Elantra: 10,062 (7,513)
Santa Fe: 3,719 (7,010)
Azera: 299 (339)
Tucson: 2,730 (1,583)
Veracruz: 992 (574)
Genesis: 3,230 (1,665)
http://hyundainews.com/Corporate_New...es_Release.asp
10-02-2010, 02:31 AM
#1642
Burning Brakes
In the case of the TL, it isn't just the beak. The whole car needs to be redesigned. Look at a TSX...the beak is acceptable because of its proportion to the front end, plus, the car has cleaner lines with acceptable overall proportions. The TL is just aesthetically hideous. Hopefully the 5G will be better.
The beak on the RDX is worse than the TL IMO. Its just too big.
The TSX is acceptable and on the MDX it actually looks good.
Last edited by Shift_Acura; 10-02-2010 at 02:35 AM.
10-02-2010, 04:54 AM
#1643
Whats up with RDX owners?
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10-02-2010, 06:15 PM
#1645
My first Avatar....
The point is, the TL is horribly designed as it comes off the line. Look at the way the greenhouse sits on the body.
Look at the ridiculous rear end...the slope, the shortness. Look at the front end over hang . Look at the height of the belt line of the car. If you really stand back and look at it there is NO good angle for the TL. The front bumper has so much negative space going on...your eye HAS to look at the beak, which is ALSO out of proportion on the front end of the car. It's a shame because the reliability is probably there. The interior is there. It might even drive great...don't know nor will I ever know.
Disagree about the RDX. NOTHING in the Acura line up looks as bad as the TL.
10-02-2010, 06:17 PM
#1646
My first Avatar....
10-02-2010, 06:47 PM
#1647
Burning Brakes
10-02-2010, 07:03 PM
#1648
My first Avatar....
x 1,000,000,000,000
10-02-2010, 08:58 PM
#1649
Senior Moderator
I'm glad Acura is doing OK in sales.
I am hoping that the next gen cars, especially the TL and RL, are
worthy so I can look at them proudly as an Acura/Honda fan. (Yes, I AM an Acura/Honda fan still even though I don't own any Acuras ATM.)
I am hoping that the next gen cars, especially the TL and RL, are
worthy so I can look at them proudly as an Acura/Honda fan. (Yes, I AM an Acura/Honda fan still even though I don't own any Acuras ATM.)
10-02-2010, 09:43 PM
#1650
אני עומד עם ישראל
Yep. For some reason people keep saying well if you add the RJ grille, paint this, do that. How about make it easy on the eyes from the factory? I don't want to put money into cars anymore, I want a car that looks good from the factory, especially one pushing 40k.
10-02-2010, 09:44 PM
#1651
אני עומד עם ישראל
Same here, people are buying them. I just wished the "magic" (attractive styling, decent pricing, etc) that made the 3G TL a success carried over, but it didn't.
10-03-2010, 05:44 AM
#1652
10-03-2010, 08:17 AM
#1653
10-03-2010, 01:12 PM
#1655
Senior Moderator
People spent a lot of money to make it look better, but it still doesnt look as good as it should from the factory. Acura has failed on every recent design of late. One shouldnt (like stated above) HAVE to spend thousands of dollars to make it look better.
Last edited by fsttyms1; 10-04-2010 at 08:02 AM.
10-03-2010, 04:57 PM
#1656
Whats up with RDX owners?
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10-03-2010, 07:40 PM
#1657
the only improvement i see is the all-red taillight, which looks a lot better than the ricer-ish stock.
other than that, you can't make the ugly go away.
other than that, you can't make the ugly go away.
10-03-2010, 09:50 PM
#1658
My first Avatar....
10-04-2010, 09:11 AM
#1659
Senior Moderator
Anyone else starting to wonder if ZDX sales will ever pick up? A few months ago we heard the same old story about production. Is that still the case? Are these things available?
In
they're offering a $12,000 cash incentive on ZDX's. 
10-04-2010, 10:49 AM
#1660
Burning Brakes
Acura's new design language is a fail. It's unfortunate because the 4G TL is a better car than the 3G in every way. Who ever green lighted the grille should be demoted or even fired. Acura just doesn't have the cache or prestige to pull off such a controversial design like that.
The 5-series can do that with it's previous design because it has decades of heritage as a luxury performer. It doesn't hurt that it has the German blue blood. Acura is known to be upscale. It's on the same level as a Maxima or Avalon to many in the general public. There is just not enough capital to pull off the grille.
The next generation needs to get rid of the grille, IMHO. Otherwise when I am ready to get a new car (next 3 years) it will not be an Acura.
The 5-series can do that with it's previous design because it has decades of heritage as a luxury performer. It doesn't hurt that it has the German blue blood. Acura is known to be upscale. It's on the same level as a Maxima or Avalon to many in the general public. There is just not enough capital to pull off the grille.
The next generation needs to get rid of the grille, IMHO. Otherwise when I am ready to get a new car (next 3 years) it will not be an Acura.
10-04-2010, 12:36 PM
#1661
Senior Moderator
10-04-2010, 02:09 PM
#1662
Senior Moderator
An interesting tidbit that was pointed out on another forum.
Sonata: 20,639
Accord, minus the Crosstour = 21,620
What the heck is going to happen when the Sonata Turbo and Hybrid go on sale?
We can also safely assume that the Sonata outsells the Accord sedan by a comfortable margin.
Sonata: 20,639
Accord, minus the Crosstour = 21,620
What the heck is going to happen when the Sonata Turbo and Hybrid go on sale?
We can also safely assume that the Sonata outsells the Accord sedan by a comfortable margin.
10-04-2010, 02:18 PM
#1663
Honda Fanboy
An interesting tidbit that was pointed out on another forum.
Sonata: 20,639
Accord, minus the Crosstour = 21,620
What the heck is going to happen when the Sonata Turbo and Hybrid go on sale?
We can also safely assume that the Sonata outsells the Accord sedan by a comfortable margin.
Sonata: 20,639
Accord, minus the Crosstour = 21,620
What the heck is going to happen when the Sonata Turbo and Hybrid go on sale?
We can also safely assume that the Sonata outsells the Accord sedan by a comfortable margin.
10-04-2010, 03:00 PM
#1664
Senior Moderator
What would happen to Sonata numbers if Hyundai didn't sell so many to rental car companies (a practice they are planning to increase: http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Arti...ket-Share.aspx)?
But I think we have to accept the fact that at some point in the near future the Sonata will outsell the Accord. At least until the Accord's FMC. Can any of us have seen that coming a few years or even 1 year ago today? Give credit where credit is due.
The Camry's next.
Last edited by dom; 10-04-2010 at 03:14 PM.
10-04-2010, 03:09 PM
#1665
The sizzle in the Steak
TL....no matter what people try to do to it, it's still a mess.
10-04-2010, 03:13 PM
#1666
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Mercedes overtakes Lexus as leading luxury automaker in U.S.
The race to be the years top-selling luxury automobile brand in the U.S. narrowed as Daimler AGs Mercedes-Benz and Bayerische Motoren Werke AGs namesake line both gained ground on Toyota Motor Corp.s Lexus.
Lexus has been by far the luxury leader in this market and now Mercedes and BMW have closed that gap pretty rapidly, Joe Barker, an industry analyst with IHS Automotive, a Lexington, Massachusetts-based researcher, said before the release. The sales race will come down to the wire -- it will come down right to the month of December.
Sales of Mercedes brand cars and sport-utility vehicles rose 17 percent to 19,862 as deliveries of its E-Class sedan continued to propel the brand, Stuttgart, Germany-based Daimler said in a statement. The results ended a three-month win streak for BMW and halved Lexus lead for the year.
Were going to continue in the same direction as we have for the first nine months, Ernst Lieb, chief executive officer of Mercedes-Benz USA, said in an interview yesterday. Will it be necessarily again another 22 percent up or so? Maybe not, but we definitely see a two-digit increase for the remainder of the year.
BMWs namesake brands deliveries rose 21 percent to 18,228 from last September, the Munich-based company said yesterday in a statement.
Lexus Declines
Lexus sales fell 6 percent last month to 16,948, as a 21 percent gain for the ES model was offset by a 27 percent decline in IS deliveries.
Toyota, working to recover from record recalls, has sold 162,438 luxury cars and SUVs in the first nine months of this year, a 9.2 increase over last year, the Toyota City, Japan- based company said in a statement. The result maintained a narrowing lead for the brand that has led the segment since 2000.
Its been a challenging year for the whole industry, Brian Smith, U.S. vice president of Lexus brand sales, said in a conference call yesterday. We feel real good about where we are this year. I dont think were going to lose leadership this year, but time will tell.
Mercedes sales rose 18 percent to 159,729 so far this year, while BMW deliveries are up 9.2 percent to 157,464. These results dont include sales of Mercedes Sprinter vans and Smart cars or BMWs Mini brand.
Tight Supply
BMW sales are being held back by low inventory of the X3 SUV until a new version reaches showrooms late this year, Jim ODonnell, president of BMWs North American unit, said in a Sept. 8 interview. The automaker is also still introducing models in its popular 5-Series line.
Those two things will hold back our sales in that race. I think Lexus, in particular, will probably end the year No. 1, he said. We never thought wed be as close to them.
Even with those challenges, BMWs monthly sales in June, July and August topped Mercedes and Lexus, according to the companys stated results.
Luxury car buyers who waited for more improvement in the economy are returning, said Barker, who is based in Northville, Michigan.
Now they feel a bit more secure as the stock market has stabilized and grown a little bit and as they start to rebuild their retirement funds, Barker said. They feel the worst is over for them and they are getting back into the luxury car market.
Other Brands
Deliveries at General Motors Co.s luxury division, Cadillac, gained 11 percent from last year to 12,620 as sales of the redesigned SRX sport-utility vehicle grew by 40 percent.
Ford Motor Co. sold 7,510 of its Lincoln luxury vehicles in September, a 26 percent increase from a year earlier, the company said in a statement. Lincoln was helped by a 76 percent increase in MKX sales.
Volvo, which Ford sold to Chinas Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., reported a sales decline of 12 percent to 4,152.
Honda Motor Co.s Acura sales rose 48 percent to 10,720 in September, the company said in a statement.
U.S. deliveries of Volkswagen AGs Audi brand rose 13 percent to 8,151 vehicles. That topped Audis previous September sales record from 2007, the company said in a statement.
Porsche SE, which is merging with Volkswagen, reported a 25 percent sales increase to 1,971 vehicles.
Tata Motors Ltd.s Jaguar posted a 10 percent gain in sales to 967 vehicles. The companys Land Rover division sold 2,489 vehicles for the month, an 12 percent increase, the company said in a statement on its website.
Lexus has been by far the luxury leader in this market and now Mercedes and BMW have closed that gap pretty rapidly, Joe Barker, an industry analyst with IHS Automotive, a Lexington, Massachusetts-based researcher, said before the release. The sales race will come down to the wire -- it will come down right to the month of December.
Sales of Mercedes brand cars and sport-utility vehicles rose 17 percent to 19,862 as deliveries of its E-Class sedan continued to propel the brand, Stuttgart, Germany-based Daimler said in a statement. The results ended a three-month win streak for BMW and halved Lexus lead for the year.
Were going to continue in the same direction as we have for the first nine months, Ernst Lieb, chief executive officer of Mercedes-Benz USA, said in an interview yesterday. Will it be necessarily again another 22 percent up or so? Maybe not, but we definitely see a two-digit increase for the remainder of the year.
BMWs namesake brands deliveries rose 21 percent to 18,228 from last September, the Munich-based company said yesterday in a statement.
Lexus Declines
Lexus sales fell 6 percent last month to 16,948, as a 21 percent gain for the ES model was offset by a 27 percent decline in IS deliveries.
Toyota, working to recover from record recalls, has sold 162,438 luxury cars and SUVs in the first nine months of this year, a 9.2 increase over last year, the Toyota City, Japan- based company said in a statement. The result maintained a narrowing lead for the brand that has led the segment since 2000.
Its been a challenging year for the whole industry, Brian Smith, U.S. vice president of Lexus brand sales, said in a conference call yesterday. We feel real good about where we are this year. I dont think were going to lose leadership this year, but time will tell.
Mercedes sales rose 18 percent to 159,729 so far this year, while BMW deliveries are up 9.2 percent to 157,464. These results dont include sales of Mercedes Sprinter vans and Smart cars or BMWs Mini brand.
Tight Supply
BMW sales are being held back by low inventory of the X3 SUV until a new version reaches showrooms late this year, Jim ODonnell, president of BMWs North American unit, said in a Sept. 8 interview. The automaker is also still introducing models in its popular 5-Series line.
Those two things will hold back our sales in that race. I think Lexus, in particular, will probably end the year No. 1, he said. We never thought wed be as close to them.
Even with those challenges, BMWs monthly sales in June, July and August topped Mercedes and Lexus, according to the companys stated results.
Luxury car buyers who waited for more improvement in the economy are returning, said Barker, who is based in Northville, Michigan.
Now they feel a bit more secure as the stock market has stabilized and grown a little bit and as they start to rebuild their retirement funds, Barker said. They feel the worst is over for them and they are getting back into the luxury car market.
Other Brands
Deliveries at General Motors Co.s luxury division, Cadillac, gained 11 percent from last year to 12,620 as sales of the redesigned SRX sport-utility vehicle grew by 40 percent.
Ford Motor Co. sold 7,510 of its Lincoln luxury vehicles in September, a 26 percent increase from a year earlier, the company said in a statement. Lincoln was helped by a 76 percent increase in MKX sales.
Volvo, which Ford sold to Chinas Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., reported a sales decline of 12 percent to 4,152.
Honda Motor Co.s Acura sales rose 48 percent to 10,720 in September, the company said in a statement.
U.S. deliveries of Volkswagen AGs Audi brand rose 13 percent to 8,151 vehicles. That topped Audis previous September sales record from 2007, the company said in a statement.
Porsche SE, which is merging with Volkswagen, reported a 25 percent sales increase to 1,971 vehicles.
Tata Motors Ltd.s Jaguar posted a 10 percent gain in sales to 967 vehicles. The companys Land Rover division sold 2,489 vehicles for the month, an 12 percent increase, the company said in a statement on its website.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...-tightens.html
10-04-2010, 03:16 PM
#1667
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Acura's new design language is a fail. It's unfortunate because the 4G TL is a better car than the 3G in every way. Who ever green lighted the grille should be demoted or even fired. Acura just doesn't have the cache or prestige to pull off such a controversial design like that.
The 5-series can do that with it's previous design because it has decades of heritage as a luxury performer. It doesn't hurt that it has the German blue blood. Acura is known to be upscale. It's on the same level as a Maxima or Avalon to many in the general public. There is just not enough capital to pull off the grille.
The next generation needs to get rid of the grille, IMHO. Otherwise when I am ready to get a new car (next 3 years) it will not be an Acura.
The 5-series can do that with it's previous design because it has decades of heritage as a luxury performer. It doesn't hurt that it has the German blue blood. Acura is known to be upscale. It's on the same level as a Maxima or Avalon to many in the general public. There is just not enough capital to pull off the grille.
The next generation needs to get rid of the grille, IMHO. Otherwise when I am ready to get a new car (next 3 years) it will not be an Acura.
10-04-2010, 03:24 PM
#1668
Honda Fanboy
Valid point, do you have a breakdown of rental vs customer sales?
But I think we have to accept the fact that at some point in the near future the Sonata will outsell the Accord. At least until the Accord's FMC. Can any of had seen that coming a few years or even 1 year ago today? Give credit where credit is due.
The Camry's next.
But I think we have to accept the fact that at some point in the near future the Sonata will outsell the Accord. At least until the Accord's FMC. Can any of had seen that coming a few years or even 1 year ago today? Give credit where credit is due.
The Camry's next.
So it really doesn't matter how many Sonata's Hyundai sell because it is safe to bet that the profit margins are slim. I don't know the profit breakdowns for each car, but I will guarantee the Accord is higher. In the end, profitability is what will keep a company alive, not the number of sales.
I will give credit where credit is due. In this case, I see no credit due.
10-04-2010, 03:54 PM
#1670
Senior Moderator
I don't have an exact breakdown of 2010 numbers but for 2009, Hyundai fleet sales were more than 30% of total sales (I found as high as 34% in some months). Considering that Hyundai is bragging about how they plan to increase fleet sales (40%? 50%?), I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sonata outsell the Accord (minus CrossTour sales of course). I don't think anyone should have a problem accepting that. However, when more than 1/3 of sales are to fleets, it makes it irrelevant. Not to mention that Hyundai has to put a lot more cash on the hood of the Sonata than Honda does on the Accord.
So it really doesn't matter how many Sonata's Hyundai sell because it is safe to bet that the profit margins are slim. I don't know the profit breakdowns for each car, but I will guarantee the Accord is higher. In the end, profitability is what will keep a company alive, not the number of sales.
I will give credit where credit is due. In this case, I see no credit due.
So it really doesn't matter how many Sonata's Hyundai sell because it is safe to bet that the profit margins are slim. I don't know the profit breakdowns for each car, but I will guarantee the Accord is higher. In the end, profitability is what will keep a company alive, not the number of sales.
I will give credit where credit is due. In this case, I see no credit due.
Is it more profit per car than the Honda Accord? Probably not, but its still just a matter of time before it is IMO.
And until we can get a detailed breakdown of fleet vs customer sales on both sides (Accord sells to fleets as well) its all just guess work at this point. And I still say the Sonata will outsell the Accord (not counting fleet) in the very near future. The optics alone will be terrible for Honda and the Accord.
Last edited by dom; 10-04-2010 at 03:56 PM.
10-04-2010, 04:05 PM
#1671
Honda Fanboy
So Hyundai goes from selling 10K Sonata's per month (including Fleet sales) to selling 20K+ and you don't think any credit is due? I'm no mathematician but I'm guessing they made more profit on those 20K sales then they did on 10k. Either way its more profit in their pocket. Either way they are a stronger company and a bigger player in the Midsized segment. Regardless of fleet and incentives.
Is it more profit per car than the Honda Accord? Probably not, but its still just a matter of time before it is IMO.
And until we can get a detailed breakdown of fleet vs customer sales on both sides (Accord sells to fleets as well) its all just guess work at this point. And I still say the Sonata will outsell the Accord (not counting fleet) in the very near future. The optics alone will be terrible for Honda and the Accord.
Is it more profit per car than the Honda Accord? Probably not, but its still just a matter of time before it is IMO.
And until we can get a detailed breakdown of fleet vs customer sales on both sides (Accord sells to fleets as well) its all just guess work at this point. And I still say the Sonata will outsell the Accord (not counting fleet) in the very near future. The optics alone will be terrible for Honda and the Accord.
Honda fleet sales are less than 2%. Honda has always had the lowest fleet sales in the industry. Usually when they do participate it fleet sales, it is not to rental agencies but rather to government and environmental agencies (not available to the public).
Hyundai still has a LONG way to go before it outsells the Accord in retail sales. Americans still care about build quality and reputation. DI and 6sp trannies do nothing for sales when Hyundai can't even use that technology to outperform the outdated Accord technology.
10-04-2010, 04:52 PM
#1672
Senior Moderator
Didn't think so. What's laughable is not giving credit to where credit is obviously due. But Honda fanboys have difficulty seeing through the Forest covered in Honda flowers so I understand your viewpoint.
"It's only a matter of time..." Yeah, a really loooooooong time and Honda would have to be standing still the whole time also.
Hyundai still has a LONG way to go before it outsells the Accord in retail sales. Americans still care about build quality and reputation. DI and 6sp trannies do nothing for sales when Hyundai can't even use that technology to outperform the outdated Accord technology.
Hyundai still has a LONG way to go before it outsells the Accord in retail sales. Americans still care about build quality and reputation. DI and 6sp trannies do nothing for sales when Hyundai can't even use that technology to outperform the outdated Accord technology.
10-04-2010, 05:12 PM
#1673
Senior Moderator
I don't have an exact breakdown of 2010 numbers but for 2009, Hyundai fleet sales were more than 30% of total sales (I found as high as 34% in some months). Considering that Hyundai is bragging about how they plan to increase fleet sales (40%? 50%?), I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sonata outsell the Accord (minus CrossTour sales of course). I don't think anyone should have a problem accepting that. However, when more than 1/3 of sales are to fleets, it makes it irrelevant. Not to mention that Hyundai has to put a lot more cash on the hood of the Sonata than Honda does on the Accord.
So it really doesn't matter how many Sonata's Hyundai sell because it is safe to bet that the profit margins are slim. I don't know the profit breakdowns for each car, but I will guarantee the Accord is higher. In the end, profitability is what will keep a company alive, not the number of sales.
I will give credit where credit is due. In this case, I see no credit due.
So it really doesn't matter how many Sonata's Hyundai sell because it is safe to bet that the profit margins are slim. I don't know the profit breakdowns for each car, but I will guarantee the Accord is higher. In the end, profitability is what will keep a company alive, not the number of sales.
I will give credit where credit is due. In this case, I see no credit due.
10-04-2010, 05:15 PM
#1674
Senior Moderator
Going from 10k sales to 20k sales is not impressive for a brand-new model when over 6k of those sales were to fleets. No doubt they made more profit from 10k to 20k, but to pretend that is close to the profit Honda made on the 20k Accords it sells or that it will make more profit is comical. "It's only a matter of time..." Yeah, a really loooooooong time and Honda would have to be standing still the whole time also.
Honda fleet sales are less than 2%. Honda has always had the lowest fleet sales in the industry. Usually when they do participate it fleet sales, it is not to rental agencies but rather to government and environmental agencies (not available to the public).
Hyundai still has a LONG way to go before it outsells the Accord in retail sales. Americans still care about build quality and reputation. DI and 6sp trannies do nothing for sales when Hyundai can't even use that technology to outperform the outdated Accord technology.
Honda fleet sales are less than 2%. Honda has always had the lowest fleet sales in the industry. Usually when they do participate it fleet sales, it is not to rental agencies but rather to government and environmental agencies (not available to the public).
Hyundai still has a LONG way to go before it outsells the Accord in retail sales. Americans still care about build quality and reputation. DI and 6sp trannies do nothing for sales when Hyundai can't even use that technology to outperform the outdated Accord technology.
Like it or not, Hyundai has become a major player. In a very short period of time. They are being compared to many manufacturers catching the eye of many.
Last edited by fsttyms1; 10-04-2010 at 05:17 PM.
10-04-2010, 05:22 PM
#1675
Honda Fanboy
Can you please go back and quote where I said the Sonata or Hyundai for that matter are more profitable than the Accord or Honda?
Didn't think so. What's laughable is not giving credit to where credit is obviously due. But Honda fanboys have difficulty seeing through the Forest covered in Honda flowers so I understand your viewpoint.
We shall see...
Can you please go back and quote where I said that you did say that? Didn't think so.
Like I said, I will give credit where credit is due. Just like you don't see where credit is due with Honda in certain instances, I don't see where credit is due with Hyundai in this instance.
10-04-2010, 05:24 PM
#1676
Honda Fanboy
10-04-2010, 05:25 PM
#1677
Honda Fanboy
Can you show us where you have your information on what each manufacturer is making to make the bold assumptions that they arent making near the profits that honda is? Until you do you cant say any better than we can on who is making out better.
Like it or not, Hyundai has become a major player. In a very short period of time. They are being compared to many manufacturers catching the eye of many.
Like it or not, Hyundai has become a major player. In a very short period of time. They are being compared to many manufacturers catching the eye of many.
10-04-2010, 05:30 PM
#1678
Safety Car
Comparions #s
For the most part, September's sales were about what we would have expected given last September's relatively weak sales thanks to Clunkeritis - but that's not to say that there
Sales of mainstream brands were weak last September thanks to reduced demand and dealership volumes caused by the government's Cash for Clunkers program. Funding for the program was over by last September and sales entered a brief slump for many brands. In addition, dealerships reported nearly depleted inventories for a number of more efficient models like the Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus and Jeep Compass.
Some of the more surprising gainers included Acura (up 48 percent), Saab (up 133 percent) and Jeep (up 66 percent). Acura saw huge demand for its two crossovers, the RDX and MDX, Saab's 9-3 leasing programs are paying off and Jeep nearly doubled Grand Cherokee sales.
September's Numbers
Acura Up 48 percent to 10,720
Audi - Up 13 percent to 8,151
BMW - Up 21 percent to 18,228
Buick - Up 36 percent to 12,875
Cadillac - Up 11 percent to 12,620
Chevrolet - Up 19 percent to 121,406
Chrysler - Up 92 percent to 17,348
Dodge - Up 71 percent to 36,272
Ford - Up 49 percent to 146,559
GMC - Up 45 percent to 25,944
Honda Up 24 percent to 86,641
Hummer - Down 62 percent to 163
Hyundai Up 48 percent to 46,556
Infiniti Up 26 percent to 8,305
Jaguar - Up 10 percent to 967
Jeep - Up 66 percent to 28,603
Kia - Up 39 percent to 30,071
Land Rover - Up 12 percent to 2,489
Lexus Down 6 percent to 16,948
Lincoln - Up 26 percent to 7,510
Maserati - Up 5 percent to 136
Mazda - Up 31 percent to 18,580
Mercedes-Benz Up 22 percent to 20,675
Mercury - Up 16 percent to 6,306
Mitsubishi - Up 5 percent to 4,961
MINI - Up 18 percent to 4,884
Nissan Up 35 percent to 65,900
Pontiac - Down 100 percent to 8
Porsche - Up 25 percent to 1,971
Ram - Up 22 percent to 17,854
Saab - Down Up 133 percent to 1,127
Saturn - Down 100 percent to 15
Smart - Down 48 percent to 422
Subaru - Up 47 percent to 21,432
Suzuki - Down 12 percent to 1,641
Toyota (Includes Scion) Up 20 percent to 126,652
Volkswagen - Up 15 percent to 19,943
Volvo - Down 12 percent to 4,152
BMW Group - Up 21 percent to 28,223
Chrysler - Up 61 percent to 100,077
Daimler - Up 18 percent to 21,100
Ford Motor Company - Up 40 percent to 160,375
General Motors - Up 11 percent to 173,031
American Honda - Up 26 percent to 97,361
Hyundai Group - Up 44 percent to 76,627
Jaguar Land Rover - Up 11 percent to 3,456
Nissan North America - Up 34 percent to 74,205
Toyota USA - Up 17 percent to 147,162
2010 YTD Numbers
Acura Up 26 percent to 96,388
Audi - Up 24 percent to 73,590
BMW - Up 9 percent to 157,464
Buick - Up 58 percent to 114,000
Cadillac - Up 44 percent to 105,013
Chevrolet - Up 19 percent to 1,174,179
Chrysler - Up 18 percent to 158,103
Dodge - Up 25 percent to 303,019
Ford - Up 23 percent to 1,302,272
GMC - Up 31 percent to 230,502
Honda Up 1 percent to 816,048
Hummer - Down 57 percent to 3,507
Hyundai Up 20 percent to 410,047
Infiniti Up 25 percent to 74,797
Jaguar - Up 12 percent to 9,748
Jeep - Up 14 percent to 207,546
Kia - Up 12 percent to 268,024
Land Rover - Up 21 percent to 22,289
Lexus Up 9 percent to 162,438
Lincoln - Up 7 percent to 63,286
Maserati - Up 43 percent to 1,355
Mazda - Up 9 percent to 174,770
Mercedes-Benz Up 22 percent to 165,427
Mercury - Up 3 percent to 71,179
Mitsubishi - Down 3 percent to 41,392
MINI - Down 1 percent to 34,588
Nissan Up 15 percent to 598,904
Pontiac Down 99 percent to 962
Porsche - Up 24 percent to 17,688
Ram - Down 4 percent to 151,552
Saab - Down 53 percent to 3,233
Saturn - Down 89 percent to 6,568
Smart - Down 62 percent to 4,779
Subaru - Up 22 percent to 193,614
Suzuki - Down 49 percent to 16,972
Toyota (Includes Scion) Up 1 percent to 1,148,878
Volkswagen - Up 21 percent to 192,690
Volvo - Down 12 percent to 41,118
BMW Group - Up 7 percent to 192,286
Chrysler - Up 15 percent to 820,220
Daimler - Up 15 percent to 170,233
Ford Motor Company - Up 19 percent to 1,469,262
General Motors - Up 6 percent to 1,635,339
American Honda - Up 3 percent to 912,436
Hyundai Group - Up 17 percent to 678,071
Jaguar Land Rover - Up 18 percent to 32,037
Nissan North America - Up 16 percent to 673,701
Toyota USA - Up 1 percent to 1,311,316
Leftlane's bottom lineAcura Up 48 percent to 10,720
Audi - Up 13 percent to 8,151
BMW - Up 21 percent to 18,228
Buick - Up 36 percent to 12,875
Cadillac - Up 11 percent to 12,620
Chevrolet - Up 19 percent to 121,406
Chrysler - Up 92 percent to 17,348
Dodge - Up 71 percent to 36,272
Ford - Up 49 percent to 146,559
GMC - Up 45 percent to 25,944
Honda Up 24 percent to 86,641
Hummer - Down 62 percent to 163
Hyundai Up 48 percent to 46,556
Infiniti Up 26 percent to 8,305
Jaguar - Up 10 percent to 967
Jeep - Up 66 percent to 28,603
Kia - Up 39 percent to 30,071
Land Rover - Up 12 percent to 2,489
Lexus Down 6 percent to 16,948
Lincoln - Up 26 percent to 7,510
Maserati - Up 5 percent to 136
Mazda - Up 31 percent to 18,580
Mercedes-Benz Up 22 percent to 20,675
Mercury - Up 16 percent to 6,306
Mitsubishi - Up 5 percent to 4,961
MINI - Up 18 percent to 4,884
Nissan Up 35 percent to 65,900
Pontiac - Down 100 percent to 8
Porsche - Up 25 percent to 1,971
Ram - Up 22 percent to 17,854
Saab - Down Up 133 percent to 1,127
Saturn - Down 100 percent to 15
Smart - Down 48 percent to 422
Subaru - Up 47 percent to 21,432
Suzuki - Down 12 percent to 1,641
Toyota (Includes Scion) Up 20 percent to 126,652
Volkswagen - Up 15 percent to 19,943
Volvo - Down 12 percent to 4,152
BMW Group - Up 21 percent to 28,223
Chrysler - Up 61 percent to 100,077
Daimler - Up 18 percent to 21,100
Ford Motor Company - Up 40 percent to 160,375
General Motors - Up 11 percent to 173,031
American Honda - Up 26 percent to 97,361
Hyundai Group - Up 44 percent to 76,627
Jaguar Land Rover - Up 11 percent to 3,456
Nissan North America - Up 34 percent to 74,205
Toyota USA - Up 17 percent to 147,162
2010 YTD Numbers
Acura Up 26 percent to 96,388
Audi - Up 24 percent to 73,590
BMW - Up 9 percent to 157,464
Buick - Up 58 percent to 114,000
Cadillac - Up 44 percent to 105,013
Chevrolet - Up 19 percent to 1,174,179
Chrysler - Up 18 percent to 158,103
Dodge - Up 25 percent to 303,019
Ford - Up 23 percent to 1,302,272
GMC - Up 31 percent to 230,502
Honda Up 1 percent to 816,048
Hummer - Down 57 percent to 3,507
Hyundai Up 20 percent to 410,047
Infiniti Up 25 percent to 74,797
Jaguar - Up 12 percent to 9,748
Jeep - Up 14 percent to 207,546
Kia - Up 12 percent to 268,024
Land Rover - Up 21 percent to 22,289
Lexus Up 9 percent to 162,438
Lincoln - Up 7 percent to 63,286
Maserati - Up 43 percent to 1,355
Mazda - Up 9 percent to 174,770
Mercedes-Benz Up 22 percent to 165,427
Mercury - Up 3 percent to 71,179
Mitsubishi - Down 3 percent to 41,392
MINI - Down 1 percent to 34,588
Nissan Up 15 percent to 598,904
Pontiac Down 99 percent to 962
Porsche - Up 24 percent to 17,688
Ram - Down 4 percent to 151,552
Saab - Down 53 percent to 3,233
Saturn - Down 89 percent to 6,568
Smart - Down 62 percent to 4,779
Subaru - Up 22 percent to 193,614
Suzuki - Down 49 percent to 16,972
Toyota (Includes Scion) Up 1 percent to 1,148,878
Volkswagen - Up 21 percent to 192,690
Volvo - Down 12 percent to 41,118
BMW Group - Up 7 percent to 192,286
Chrysler - Up 15 percent to 820,220
Daimler - Up 15 percent to 170,233
Ford Motor Company - Up 19 percent to 1,469,262
General Motors - Up 6 percent to 1,635,339
American Honda - Up 3 percent to 912,436
Hyundai Group - Up 17 percent to 678,071
Jaguar Land Rover - Up 18 percent to 32,037
Nissan North America - Up 16 percent to 673,701
Toyota USA - Up 1 percent to 1,311,316
As the economy continues to warm up, sales of both luxury and high-volume brands continue to rise. We're still not seeing much growth out of Japanese former stalwarts like Honda and Toyota at least compared to their domestic and Korean counterparts but few players were truly weak last month.
Perhaps most impressive is the continued momentum seen primarily at Hyundai, Ford and General Motors, all of which have seen their market shares increase. The biggest gains are at Ford, which has 15.1 percent of the market so far this year (compared to 13.5 percent last year), but Hyundai (4.8 versus 4.4), Chevrolet (13.6 versus 12.6) and GMC (2.7 versus 2.3) all have reason to celebrate, too.
10-04-2010, 05:37 PM
#1679
Senior Moderator
My quotes.
Either way its more profit in their pocket
Is it more profit per car than the Honda Accord? Probably not
And you mentioned Honda standing still... they're actually going backwards on the styling front.
10-04-2010, 06:03 PM
#1680
Honda Fanboy
So, ummm what did you mean by that exactly?
My quotes.
Their, being Hyundai.
What's funny is I don't really like the Sonata that much. Not crazy about the styling. Prefer Kia's Optima much more. But how can anyone not be impressed but how the market is reacting to this car? To say anything negative about how far its come after this re-design is just assinine. But Hyundai's got to where they are by having everyone else bury their heads in the sand. We'll see how much longer is takes before people start taking notice.
And you mentioned Honda standing still... they're actually going backwards on the styling front.
My quotes.
Their, being Hyundai.
What's funny is I don't really like the Sonata that much. Not crazy about the styling. Prefer Kia's Optima much more. But how can anyone not be impressed but how the market is reacting to this car? To say anything negative about how far its come after this re-design is just assinine. But Hyundai's got to where they are by having everyone else bury their heads in the sand. We'll see how much longer is takes before people start taking notice.
And you mentioned Honda standing still... they're actually going backwards on the styling front.
Is it more profit per car than the Honda Accord? Probably not, but its still just a matter of time before it is IMO.
Moving backwards on styling clearly means nothing to buyers because Honda sales have been going nowhere but up. If people cared about styling like some of the members of this board do, then the Sonata should be the #1 selling car in it's class because it's got an aggressive and well accepted appearance on this forum. As you can see though, buyers look at a lot more than just what's on the outside. If it was all about looks, then according to this forum, the TL should also be the worst selling car in it's class.