Legend2TL

Yeah I realized that early on but it took me a long time until just recently to just ignore those people's postings

Legend2TL

Thanks for posting the sales figures each month

SpicyMikey

"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter." - Thomas Jefferson

mrdeeno

But this isn't the government and if Tommy J had an SSFTSUX around back in the day, he'd say, "Damn, i spoke too soon!"

SpicyMikey

OK. It's Friday. I'll accept that answer

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Including ones that get rises out of others and is distracting and damaging to discussions he participates in while adding basically nothing?

That's trolling. It just IS. Should be a bannable offense.

fsttyms1

Kinda pathetic that even with fuel economy in the news everywhere you turn the F150 is selling more per month than the Accord and Civic combined.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Yep, Americans hate guzzlers!

SpicyMikey

Maybe, but that's your opinion my friend and it's subjective. He doesn't get a rise out of me other than it's hard to read his posts because they are grammatically choppy. Not sure if you were being serious or half joking with that first post to ban that member, but if being anoying to others on here was a bannable offense then most of us wouldn't be here anymore. Including me probably. Also, who decides who's annoying? You? Me?

I think the mods do a good job on here. I've seen people get thrown off when the get personally offensive (ironically, like you are starting to do now with SSFTSX), but they let people express their opinions no matter how "annoying" or unpopular it is.

SpicyMikey

It's stunning how far the Accord has fallen from grace lately. I have driven and been driven in a Camry on many occcasions. I'm still a little surprised how popular it is.

TSX69

Just to put some perspective on it: last year, the Accord & the Civic had ~2% in fleet sales whereas the Fseries had ~23%.

pttl

Really? What do you think might be the cause of that?

Less than vanilla is good for most people, I suppose.

fsttyms1

Oh Oh Pick me, Pick me Pick me......

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Disruptive would've been a better word than annoying, and you cannot deny he's disruptive. To be constantly disruptive....that seems bannable doesn't it?

And no the moderators will not ban me for this. I also have been no more "personal" than a sea of others, so "whatever" to that comment.

pttl

Yes, young man. You in the back of the room.... Would you care to explain?

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I drove another Accord the other day. Still a really nice car.

fsttyms1

I dont know if i can bring up the shittastic designs of late, old tech (trans, motor), average at best sound db inside the cabin. i could go on but its all been covered

chungkopi

stop exaggerating. try finding LS for under 65k.

but i do agree, LS really doesn't compete with S class price wise.

pttl

Bingo!

However I do not understand the Camry fascination. I'm sure most Camrys sold, are not the SEV6 variety...not that the SEV6 is anything tremendous, but at least it won't bore you to death.

SpicyMikey

True. But relative to the Camry is it really that ugly, underpowered, under-teched, etc? That was sort of what I think is a head scratcher. Aside from a push button start and an extra gear what does a Camry LE offer over an Accord LX? Both stereo's are pedestrian. Looks are blan on both but I'd give the winner to the Accord. The Accord's I4 puts out a good amount more HP than the Camry's I4. They really offer the same thing.

alex2364

I think Honda missed the mark on the latest Accord. It's too big compared to other midsize cars and it's styling doesn't help either.

SpicyMikey

Yes but who does? MB (and to a slightly lesser extent BMW) are in their own parallel universe when it comes to pricing. People who live and shop in that alternate reality don't compare available choices to Japanese or American alternatives. if they did, you could never justify buying one.

Of course, we all understand there is brand image there, and you need to add that to the "value" when comparing choices. "Ego stroking" is a legitimate feature of a brand and can justify paying more. I get that. But even factoring that in, they seem overpriced unless you are truly truly a car owner who can appreciate and take advantage of the superior driving dynamics those cars typically offer over their Japanese or American alternatives.

VTEC Racer

Good point! Toyota always outsells Honda. The best part of it all though? For the past two years, even with Toyota outselling Honda, Honda still made more money than Toyota did. I sure hope Toyota cares about their Canadian sales because it's arrogance like that which lead Toyota to be in the situation it is in right now.

SSFTSX

There are certain packages that make LS expensive with pricing closer to $70k. but most of the them are just comfort plus with standard 18 wheels. nothing fancy like people put Sport wheels and bumpers on Acura. and TMV is around $61k.
but i have seen alot more AMG styled S class. People are willing to pay $100k plus on them. S class is way above LS now. Neither has LS gotten any prestige outside US. It is a failure as this class of car needs global recognition.

Lexus IS350/C350/BMW 335 are very closely priced. less than $5k price difference for similarly equiped.
GS350 is outdated and over priced compared to BMW 535 considering the larger size of BMW 5, 8speed transimission, wide screen Navigation system etc.

fsttyms1

They both may be bland, but to many the camry looks better than the bulging headlight accord and its like it or not styling.

chungkopi

again, i know what you are tying to say, but you tend to exaggerate to make your point. I have over 12,000 posts in a Lexus forum. would say 73-76k is avg. basically about 20-25k grand cheaper than comparably equipped S class.

smarty666

If I only had a choice between a Camry and Accord, I think I would have to pick the Camry. Simply b/c, overall, the body style, while still pretty boring, is not as odd looking, as the Accord is. Plus, the Accord is a bit too big now for my taste.

But that is only if I could chose between the Camry and Accord. I really don't care for either. I just used them as a hypothetical.

JD23

Although I don't care for the exterior of the Accord, I would unquestionably choose it over the Camry due to the Camry's poor handling. Even with its faults, the Accord is still the better driving car.

majin ssj eric

At this point I wouldn't choose the Camry OR the Accord. I'd go Mazda 6, Hyundai Sonata, or Ford Fusion if I wanted a reasonably priced family sedan...

SSFTSX

12000 posts on forum does not make a difference when you have little experiance. ususally people who post on the forums are mostly enthusiats about the car. there could be built to order. and they are very tiny minority.
$61k is the true market price of the car on dealer lot. $73-$76K is dealers asking price for LS460L not the short one.
have you looked at asking price for S550. the standard model.
It is closer to $100K.


you previously made wild claims of Sonata getting some kind of super mpg on long drive.
This sonata GLS with its narrow tires that is 300lbs lighter than TSX with 6speed auto on cruise control. No paddle shifters for above 100mph runs.
thats why i never take ur claim seriously.

fsttyms1

And your inability to read what others write and the random stuff you spew out is why WE will never take you seriously.

Seriously!! Read this. I would love to see your beloved TSX come any where near that

And WTF? Why and Where would you come up with the random "No paddle shifters for above 100mph runs"??? Why would you even think this is relevant to any discussion?

SSFTSX

60 mile in stop and go is less than 15% of total free way miles. In stop and go TSX is around 18mpg and that is in up and down streets of SF. (he was moving forward and he is engine was warmed . It was not like 60 grocery store trips for 1 mile each day. there is difference. Look at much anaylsis of Insight on Edmunds long term blog).
so barely 3 gallons of fuel is used. and on the rest of 15 gallons i can get 34-35 mpg without even using cruise control and with full throttle acceleration overtaking almost every one.
for total of 585 total mile. so my total is still 33 mpg. and that is car that is 300 lbs heavier on wider & taller tires.

chungkopi

i don't even like lexus and i hate defending lexus, but usually average transaction price of lexus LS almost always goes over 70k. go talk to 1sicklex. he will tell you the same. lol and The median annual income for LS 600 hL buyers is $400,000-$500,000 per year. actually a lot more than a typical S class buyers who pay 100-110k for a car.

anyway, Sonata is a midsize hyper miling king at cleanmpg.com at 66mpg.
http://green.autoblog.com/2010/06/23...ns-66-285-mpg/

better than any other midsize out there and even better than most of compact cars. so it can be done. but for average drivers like my sis and my friend it can still achieve 35-38mpg on highway cruise without trying too hard.

chungkopi

and simply just go visit your Lexus dealers. you will see plenty of LS460L that are priced over 90k. you will almost never see a base LS. AWD are up to 96k. and you can't just compare LS460 to S550. isn't LS460L shorter than S550? last time i checked new Equus is longer than LS460L.

basically lexus is 65k to 110k car and average price paid is most likely in mid 70's. S is 83k(s400 hybrid) to 125k. and average price paid would be mid 90's.

SSFTSX

Just do search on LS460 for entire country on auto trader. and see how many hits you get for $100K asking price. and do the same on S550 not any coupe or AMG or S600 and see how many hits you get for over $100K. or even better just look at used car prices on Craigslist. remember according
to ALG Lexus has better resale value than MB.


car has only 8k miles and every expensive package included. Do u think $90K car become $50K car just because of 8000 miles. and these are asking prices from dealer.


You analysis are total BS. without reality.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Did the troll just get the balls to say someone ELSE here was making wild claims?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

EDIT: And he said he doesn't take someone else's claim seriously????

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

fsttyms1

Where does it say he was moving the whole time?
Stop and go is very hard on mileage. It kills it. Id like to see you get 34-35mpg with MIXED STOP AND GO driving and 80mph driving (which im sure was varied speed at times). NOT happening.

smarty666

I am with you man, I don't really care for Lexus either but you know its bad when you have to defend them on this board.

chungkopi

i don't need to go to the auto trader to find out how much LS is. it's a simple math, and it's based on my 9 years of clublexus. and so what if nobody buys LS for 100k? when did i ever mention $100k? 65k to 110k is just a price range. not many people buys 600hl anyway. i rarely see 600hl on the road. again mid 70's for LS and mid 90's for S class. if you dispute this then you are just a Lexus hater.

and why are you even mentioning craigslist and a used car? we aren't talking about used car here. you sound desperate.

again AVG. PRICE PAID OF LEXUS LS(LS460, LS460L, LS600H-L)IS MID 70'S
you don't have to be a stat genius to figure out how much people pay for a certain cars. i never said it's 90k. never said it's 100k. mid 70's which is still significantly lower than S class. and it's a logical conclusion based on my EXPERIENCE. autoblog? craigslist? lol get outta here.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

"You analysis are total BS. without reality." -SSFTSX