SSFTSX

he didnot have to turn off the engine. he eventually passed that 60 mile stretech.
60 mile is not big think at most 2 to 3 hrs. he still had 15 gallon of fuel. to make to 31 mpg. and thats with 6speed, DI engine, narrow tires, smallish side mirrors, car with less insulation, 300 lbs less weight.
i will put screen shot of TSX avg speed and avg mpg with continous driving.

SSFTSX

These are certainly not avg price in July 2010. once lexus brand used to sell alot of LX. now it does not sell much. LX sells are closer to RL now.

Current TMV of LS is nowwhere its historic avg when Lexus brand has some shine. MB has moved up market. so your 9 years at lexusclub experiance dont matter.


http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0fc7ab
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...w/.f0fc7ab/224

there is no evidence in 2007-2008 that LS460 avg is mid 70K. I went there all the pages of Edmunds prices paid. It is is always below $70K even in peak years. unless you show that all those people posting on Edmunds town talk are inaccurate and only Clublexus owners report true prices.
I said people join boards dedicated to particular brand because they feel good about that there particular brand. and it is minority.
even used car market will tell you that this car dont have the value.

fsttyms1

And how long was he sitting there idling? You are assuming he wasnt. What terrain was he driving on? What kind of actual driving was he doing? None of that was actually stated, nor was 15 gallons of fuel used. You show me a screen shot WITH 60 miles of STOP and Go with 80 for a average and let me know what it is.

fsttyms1

So would ALL of my experience and time here not matter if i were to say that Acura did and still does have a problem with the 5 speed in the 2g tl/cl or does my time here not show me any thing as well

So you read Edmunds, that doent mean its the end all of discussion because you couldnt find any thing for info.

SSFTSX

he started in Santa Monica and went to filling station in Utah.
They guy was filling his Gas in broad sunlight after 450 mile drive thats why i put the pix. he went Eastward where sun goes before West.

subtract 60 mile of stop & go from 450. it is 390 mile of 80 mph driving. so it is about 5 hrs on freeway. so add about 2 hrs for stop and go traffic for the 60 mile stretch. so at the most this guy was in the car for 7 hrs.
If he sat in the car at 8:00AM in morning. it would be 3:00 Oclock when he filled the Gas.
Now you wanna claim that this person spent more than 2 hrs to cover that 60 mile stretch? as available evidence is overhelming against it.

SSFTSX

I didnot read edmunds as i dont need to for buying prices. when he mentioned Clublexus and used the word Avg. I hope he understand the meaning of average in mathematics. One $100K LS hybrid sell cannot skew avg price above $65K when thousands are sold.
it is not about individual experiances

Hapa DC5

lol pot meet kettle? sig worthy shit there my friend.

chungkopi

why are you ignoring ls460L which has a base price msrp of 70k? awd version has base of 74k. loaded ls460LAWD is 96k! loaded LS460L is 85k. and these models are very popular.

and lol at Edmunds. not many LS buyers go to Edmunds. Edmunds are usually for midsize sedan buyers. you will see plenty of posts of hyundai's and Ford's, but not much on luxury cars. you should know that by now. Edmunds are for commoners.

and simply just go to lexus dealer and see for yourself. you will almost never see LS460 in 60's. my 73-76k avg is a reasonable conclusion. 60-65k like you claim is ridiculous hater conclusion.

chungkopi

lol at those edmunds forum. there is only like 1 post every month.

75k avg isn't as ridiculous as 60-65k avg like you claim. my avg is much more logical than yours. sure i can't prove it because i didn't really bother to research, but i'm pretty certain my number is right at the ball park. and i asked few of reliable lexus guys on clublexus. they actually said 80k. lol

anyway, when you own a lexus you go to lexus forum. not edmunds where bunch of grandpas debate about camry and sonata on and on and on.

SSFTSX

Is any one buying those AWD LS460? it is marketing gimmick. $73-$76 is asking prices of some models but not the transaction prices. It is low to mid $60s.


this historic analysis of prices when Lexus brand had some worth.
http://www.opencarprice.com/auto/Lexus_LS460
Actual prices paid for new Lexus LS460 - submitted by our users

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Hapa DC5

http://driveyourdream.zag.com/trueCa...ice=74801.0000

$79,718That's the average price paid for a LS460 of the last 29 new purchases nationwide.

Go to bed.

SSFTSX

your report some faulty data. I posted new actual car purchases at that period of time. This even funny as none of used LS460 is more than $55K for 2009. So who are those stupid people buying used LS460 for $65K-$70K?

Can you show me those dealers that is selling $80K lexus? the highest price in inventory is $84K. and that is asking price.

Hapa DC5

There is no faulty data. You're posting the best prices paid for these cars. I believe it. I'm posting the AVERAGE transaction price. You understand the difference?

You lost this argument. Go to bed.

SSFTSX

Look at this report. 80 to 90% of lexus fall at $62k. Obviously you made up data for non existent vehicles as none of dealer can sell $79k avg LS as they are not even asking those prices let alone doing actual transaction.
Now admit you created faulty report based some abscure options.

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...xus_LS/prices/

Hapa DC5

Now admit you lost the argument and were proven WRONG. You were guess what, proven WRONG. How can I create a faulty report? It's a direct link not a repost from usnews, but the ACTUAL site YOUR link used to retrieve the data. It shows the last 29 purchases in the U.S and the average price paid.

Why not owe up and admit you were wrong instead of dragging this out?

Go to bed.

SSFTSX

you can pretty much deduce from Leases how much is the transaction price of LS with included extra over the top all options.

http://www.leasetrader.com/2009_Lexu...0_162600.xhtml
Months Remaining: 27 months
Original Lease Term: 36 months
Lease End Buyout: $34,030.00
Lease End Date: October 2012
Excess Miles Charge: $0.20 per mile
Contractual Lease Payment: $899.00 p/month

Lexus LS
Titanium Package included $2500 value includes 24hs road assistance, windshield repair protection. Tire and wheels protection, Key remote replacement, dents and dings protection.

Hapa DC5

LOL here we go awaiting more bullshit from SSFTSX.... The only member who is 100% right all of the time and all other people have to yield to his searching powers of the internet while he digs up more bullshit links.

SSFTSX

can you show me any dealer where Asking price of most LS460 is $80K? as $80k will establish the avg transaction price of $75K.
You cannot create avg transaction price of $75K when dealers are asking between $65 to $75K and that is there inventory.

Hapa DC5

I can pretty much deduce that you were proven WRONG. Understand that, admit that you may not have all of the answers, you're not always right, you make shit up (if a tsx has sh-awd it would outhandle an M3, too bad that car isn't available for comparison, but you were still able to have it top the M3 blah blah with the blah blah) and lastly... Go to bed.

biker

JD23

Unless I'm missing something on the truecar site, is there a link that shows the most popular option configuration? If there is not, it seems that you and SSFTSX could be making differing assumptions about the number of options on the average LS460, skewing the average transaction price.

SpicyMikey

This is entertaining to watch if nothing else.

SpicyMikey

Give that man a popsicle! Base model LS460 stickers for about $69k. Selling price is probably around $65k right now. But that is NOT the average price of an LS being sold. It's also not the average LS on the lot. Those base cars are the ones they advertise in the newspaper. "Get a new LS460 for $700 a month!!" Yea, right.

SSFTSX your probably off by about $8k on the average out the door sale price of an LS460. I recently gave the LS460 some serious thought as a replacement for my RL. I shopped and drove inventory at Lexus Of Orlando and didn't see many cars at $65k.

Legend2TL

Your last statement is spot on

Hapa DC5

Thank you! All I did was look up the average price of the last 29 LS460s sold. Next to nobody is going to buy a base LS460 (62-67k), they are more likely going to purchase one closer to the fully loaded side when you spend that much on a car.

If the last 29 schmucks are paying 79k for their car in popular configurations, then they are. I don't give a shit. I'm sick and tired of those "I have to one up people and know it all" types. Especially when your grammar is terrible. Yeah yeah, we know he may be a fob and is just typing how he would speak, but shit. It's getting on my nerves when you make up facts, statements, and comparisons.

SSFTSX needs to be right all the time even when he's wrong. Show some fucking humility. You putz!

Hapa DC5

Lexus LS460 with ZERO options, 95050 zip code. Average price paid 62k http://www.truecar.com/Lexus/LS_460/...&zipcode=95050

Dunno how many individuals are going to buy a flagship car with zero options, but there you go.

Hapa DC5

^ oh and that data is collected from January to present not the last 29 transactions, excluding TTL.

SpicyMikey

Yes. I agree. Not that you need confirmation from me. But he is mistaken regarding average selling price of an LS on a national level. Granted, Lexus doesn't sell many. Most of their sales are with the crapbox ES. I have no idea what the statistical average price paid for ALL Lexus cars sold, but I'd guess it's in the hight $40's somewhere. The Lexus brand has significantly more image appeal than Infiniti or Acura, but it's not on the same level of MB eventhough their best selling car is also a "cheap" C300 priced in the $40's

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

The ES is a crapbox?

SpicyMikey

Yes. An overpriced blan fwd sedan in my opinion. Suited best for people who are 40+ and who need an image boost but really could get by fine with a Camry. But that's my opinion. Don't call for me to be banned too.

fsttyms1

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Because everyone wants a rock hard suspension, the power plenum grille, and extra road noise.

The current 350 has deviated from the outstanding quality of past models, but I had a 2002 ES300. Its interior was outstanding. The ride was silent and super smooth. The powertrain never reminded you it had actual gears....or that the engine was running.

It was an excellent daily driver for those who want comfort over sport.

I'd also agree with the image comment. However, don't let that make you think the two drive similarly. The ES has its own feel. It feels much more luxurious, it's quieter, smoother, etc.

Don't knock it just because it isn't your taste. It remains one of the best sellers in that price range for a reason.

SSFTSX

You only LS460L and LS460AWD touches asking price of $77K. and they are very tiny minority.
You wont see that many on the road and SF 101 on peninsuala is the busiest for luxury car. on other hand each MB S550 has different rims to start with. everything is customized.
Lexus owners dont customize there appearance. Only 1 saw with chrome plated rims. It is what ever on dealer lot is the transaction price.
No one is paying for accessories and not even dealers are installing. on other hand you have 19inch sport package MB S plenty moving around.


Lexus of Orlando has 9 LS460 new. and only one of it has asking price of $80K. so how avg transaction price become $79k.

Hapa DC5

Guess what? You were proven wrong and lost. Owe up to it.

SpicyMikey

Your right. As I said, the ES350 is a good car if you're a little older and want a soft riding well trimmed fwd sedan. It's all you mentioned but its also very pedestrian and just seems out of place in the Lexus sedan lineup next to the IS, GS, and LS. But as you said, it sells well because of the demographics of typical Lexus buyers.

By the way, "Crapbox" was a relative term because we were talking about the LS460 and pricing compared to the S series at the time. I was being colorful in my writing Wasn't trying to insult anyone who owns or owned one.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Doesn't the LFA seem a little out of place too?

And I'm not old....nor did you insult anyway. It seemed surprisingly intolerant of other kinds of vehicles considering our discussion in the RL thread yesterday. That's all.

As it stands, the ES handily outsells the TL every single month, so most buyers of these cars must think the ES is better than the TL....?

Hapa DC5

He seems to be mistaken on nearly everything he types. We all love Honda, but being able to objectively criticize a company means we want Acura to truly be considered a real luxury car maker with attractive cars, or Honda in general to realize where it's succeeded or failed.

You learn from your mistakes. You don't take a holier than thou, arrogant approach to life.

Hapa DC5

Personally I don't think most of the ES buyers even cross shop the FWD TL. Luxury buyers are more on the conservative side styling wise at least. I'm sure we can all agree the TL is not that.

SpicyMikey

LexusOfOrlando.com never shows their current inventory online. Only used. How did you get that info. Post that URL link because I've wanted to see their inventory on several occasions but could never do it.

Hapa DC5

I haven't seen any Lexus dealer post their NEW inventory online. Last night I went on I think 5 different Lexus sites.