Monthly Car Sales news
07-02-2010, 04:56 PM
#1081
6G TLX-S
If even Acura doesn't expect the TL to sell well, it will obviously cut back on the TL production.
However, it's funny that Acura does manage to produce more than enough of all remaining Acura truck and car lines.
However, it's funny that Acura does manage to produce more than enough of all remaining Acura truck and car lines.
07-02-2010, 08:02 PM
#1082
07-03-2010, 09:55 AM
#1083
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GM's Chinese sales top U.S.
The only thing more lame than TL sales figures is the folks on this forum who repeat the same lame TL sales jokes every month.
This however was interesting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- China has become the top sales market for General Motors, the iconic American automaker owned by U.S. taxpayers.
Through the first six months of the year GM and its Chinese joint venture partners have sold 1.21 million vehicles in China, the company announced Friday. Its U.S. sales, announced Thursday, came in at 1.08 million....
This however was interesting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- China has become the top sales market for General Motors, the iconic American automaker owned by U.S. taxpayers.
Through the first six months of the year GM and its Chinese joint venture partners have sold 1.21 million vehicles in China, the company announced Friday. Its U.S. sales, announced Thursday, came in at 1.08 million....
07-03-2010, 10:45 AM
#1084
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While I'm happy with my 4G, I admit the whole grille could use some work.
While many 3G owners weren't happy with the 4G styling and direction (and I respect that), maybe a solid hit to the sales was what was needed to get Acura/Honda moving in a more desirable direction? 2008-2009 was the economy meltdown and they could blame that but there is no reason why the TL numbers are so low with the economy in recovery and all the other models doing quite well. And the TL is good value so that leaves very few culprits...
If this kick in the nuts can get the stylists and designers in a favorable direction, then the 4G will have served a good purpose to all of us!
Time will tell!
Have a great day,
-YetiTL
While many 3G owners weren't happy with the 4G styling and direction (and I respect that), maybe a solid hit to the sales was what was needed to get Acura/Honda moving in a more desirable direction? 2008-2009 was the economy meltdown and they could blame that but there is no reason why the TL numbers are so low with the economy in recovery and all the other models doing quite well. And the TL is good value so that leaves very few culprits...
If this kick in the nuts can get the stylists and designers in a favorable direction, then the 4G will have served a good purpose to all of us!
Time will tell!
Have a great day,
-YetiTL
07-03-2010, 01:17 PM
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The only thing more lame than TL sales figures is the folks on this forum who repeat the same lame TL sales jokes every month.
This however was interesting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- China has become the top sales market for General Motors, the iconic American automaker owned by U.S. taxpayers.
Through the first six months of the year GM and its Chinese joint venture partners have sold 1.21 million vehicles in China, the company announced Friday. Its U.S. sales, announced Thursday, came in at 1.08 million....
This however was interesting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- China has become the top sales market for General Motors, the iconic American automaker owned by U.S. taxpayers.
Through the first six months of the year GM and its Chinese joint venture partners have sold 1.21 million vehicles in China, the company announced Friday. Its U.S. sales, announced Thursday, came in at 1.08 million....
07-03-2010, 02:55 PM
#1086
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That is true with the TL but not with the TSX! The TSX is still doing pretty well with sales and it has the front grill too. I think what the difference is, the SIZE of the grill is largest on the TL of all the Acura models. Its just too too big and needs to be more in a smaller proportion, like it is on the TSX and MDX and as you can see, they are selling well and much better than the TL so in my opinion I think its just the overally large size of the grill on the TL that is really hurting it! Just my 
07-03-2010, 07:40 PM
#1087
AZ Community Team
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07-03-2010, 08:05 PM
#1088
wow taking this a little too seriously peeps
07-03-2010, 08:36 PM
#1089
Punk Rocker
I don't like the beak on the TSX either. I don't understand why people think it looks so great. I think its just because the TSX is the LEAST offensive of the Acura designs. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the styling though....
07-03-2010, 09:34 PM
#1090
FWD TL is priced like previous TL Type-S.
so car has moved up market even with discounts. i dont think sales are that bad when comparing 3.2L car with 3.5/3.7L.
If Acura make next RDX right. like with 6AT/3.5V6 with spacious cargo space. It will dent RX sales alot.
RX sales are flattening with Q5/GLK/RDX not allowing it to run away.
so car has moved up market even with discounts. i dont think sales are that bad when comparing 3.2L car with 3.5/3.7L.
If Acura make next RDX right. like with 6AT/3.5V6 with spacious cargo space. It will dent RX sales alot.
RX sales are flattening with Q5/GLK/RDX not allowing it to run away.
07-04-2010, 10:59 AM
#1092
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It's not surprising with the sales numbers. Economy looked like it was getting better (now ... not so sure it will sustain). But the love-it-or-hate-it appearance of the TL (and possibly the pricing) may deter people from buying the TL.
I wonder what the upper brass at Honda/Acura will do with the 5th gen TL. I can't imagine the car getting any bigger. It's so bloated (in appearance) ... it should go back to being a smaller, more nimble car. (Maybe I'm biased since I still think the 2nd gen has the best styling of the 4 generations of TL ...
)
I wonder what the upper brass at Honda/Acura will do with the 5th gen TL. I can't imagine the car getting any bigger. It's so bloated (in appearance) ... it should go back to being a smaller, more nimble car. (Maybe I'm biased since I still think the 2nd gen has the best styling of the 4 generations of TL ...
)
07-05-2010, 12:32 AM
#1093
6G TLX-S
It's not surprising with the sales numbers. Economy looked like it was getting better (now ... not so sure it will sustain). But the love-it-or-hate-it appearance of the TL (and possibly the pricing) may deter people from buying the TL.
I wonder what the upper brass at Honda/Acura will do with the 5th gen TL. I can't imagine the car getting any bigger. It's so bloated (in appearance) ... it should go back to being a smaller, more nimble car. (Maybe I'm biased since I still think the 2nd gen has the best styling of the 4 generations of TL ... )
I wonder what the upper brass at Honda/Acura will do with the 5th gen TL. I can't imagine the car getting any bigger. It's so bloated (in appearance) ... it should go back to being a smaller, more nimble car. (Maybe I'm biased since I still think the 2nd gen has the best styling of the 4 generations of TL ...
)
07-05-2010, 11:13 AM
#1094
Three Wheelin'
Interesting how Acura dropped both the TL and RDX base leases to $369/mo ($3K down) and saw the RDX jump 52.6% while the TL fell 10.5%.
The MDX is still killing it...its $499/mo $3K down lease seems to be holding well...which bodes well for it's already best in class resale value.
The MDX is still killing it...its $499/mo $3K down lease seems to be holding well...which bodes well for it's already best in class resale value.
07-05-2010, 05:08 PM
#1095
Evil Mazda Driver
Hyundai managed to move 51,205 vehicles in June which was an all-time record for that month. Even the slow-selling Azera and Veracruz posted gains. Figures in parenthesis are for June, 2009.
Accent: 4,615 (8,139)
Sonata: 17,771 (11,950)
Elantra: 14,245 (6,493
Santa Fe: 7,586 (7,148)
Azera: 428 (313)
Tucson: 3,382 (1,100)
Veracruz: 609 (476)
Genesis: 2,569 (1,838)
Press Release
Accent: 4,615 (8,139)
Sonata: 17,771 (11,950)
Elantra: 14,245 (6,493
Santa Fe: 7,586 (7,148)
Azera: 428 (313)
Tucson: 3,382 (1,100)
Veracruz: 609 (476)
Genesis: 2,569 (1,838)
Press Release
07-05-2010, 07:03 PM
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Genesis: 2,569 (1,838)
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
07-05-2010, 08:46 PM
#1097
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Genesis: 2,569 (1,838)
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
07-05-2010, 11:48 PM
#1098
6G TLX-S
07-06-2010, 12:27 AM
#1099
Evil Mazda Driver
Actually you guys are a lot closer to the mark than you might think. Hyundai is intentionally (and quietly) capping American Genesis sedan distribution at roughly 20,000 units annually to avoid over-saturating the market. And no this isn't sarcasm...no 'TL production can't keep up with demand' 
here.
here.
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07-06-2010, 06:26 AM
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Genesis: 2,569 (1,838)
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
gotta love it
07-06-2010, 06:41 AM
#1101
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Actually you guys are a lot closer to the mark than you might think. Hyundai is intentionally (and quietly) capping American Genesis sedan distribution at roughly 20,000 units annually to avoid over-saturating the market. And no this isn't sarcasm...no 'TL production can't keep up with demand' here.
here.
07-06-2010, 11:03 AM
#1102
6G TLX-S
I guess this is the demand and supply strategy from Hyundai.
Hyundai deliberately reduces the supply to create a over-demand situation, in order to keep the MSRP of the Genesis models artificially high.
Hyundai deliberately reduces the supply to create a over-demand situation, in order to keep the MSRP of the Genesis models artificially high.
07-06-2010, 11:30 AM
#1103
Safety Car
Genesis
The Genesis has sold ~13,000 in the 1st half of the year & their press release brags about how sales have gone up every month consecutively compared to last year. Edmunds also shows that in my area they are being sold slightly above invoice ... not saying that they are not limiting production/inventory/sales but if they are, they are not doing a very good job.
07-07-2010, 09:25 AM
#1104
Safety Car
Incentives
SANTA MONICA, Calif. — July 1, 2010 — Edmunds.com, the premier online resource for automotive information, estimated today that the average automotive manufacturer incentive in the U.S. was $2,661 per vehicle sold in June 2010, down $36, or 1.3 percent, from May 2010, and down $196, or 6.9 percent, from June 2009.
"Automakers are struggling right now, and most have kept incentives flat while they try to determine how to boost sales," stated Jessica Caldwell, Director of Industry Analysis for Edmunds.com. "No big incentives programs have been announced for the July 4th holiday weekend yet, and that leads me to believe that auto sales in July won't get off to a very strong start."
According to Edmunds.com, combined incentives spending for domestic manufacturers averaged $3,471 per vehicle sold in June 2010, up from $3,460 in May 2010. From May 2010 to June 2010, European automakers decreased incentives spending by $19 to $2,334 per vehicle sold; Japanese automakers decreased incentives spending by $97 to $1,895 per vehicle sold; and Korean automakers decreased incentives spending by $6 to $1,775 per vehicle sold.
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True Cost of Incentives for the Top Seven Automakers
Automaker June 2010 May 2010 June 2009
Chrysler Group (Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep) $3,295 $3,080 $4,897
Ford (Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Volvo) $3,117 $3,150 $3,534
General Motors (Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet,
GMC) $3,808 $3,878 $3,414
Honda (Acura, Honda) $1,504 $1,523 $1,735
Nissan (Infiniti, Nissan) $2,456 $2,581 $2,592
Toyota (Lexus, Scion, Toyota) $2,117 $2,236 $1,298
Industry Average $2,661 $2,697 $2,857
"Last June incentives were sky-high, but sales were depressed, as buyers waited for details on the Cash for Clunkers program," stated Edmunds.com Senior Analyst Michelle Krebs in her report on AutoObserver.com. "If the industry was truly recovering, we would be blowing last June's car sales numbers out of the water."
Among vehicle segments, large trucks had the highest average incentives, $4,631 per vehicle sold, followed by premium sport car at $3,883. Sport cars had the lowest average incentives per vehicle sold, $1,371, followed by subcompact cars at $1,393. Analysis of incentives expenditures as a percentage of average sticker price for each segment shows large trucks averaged the highest, 12.6 percent, followed by compact cars at 11.7 percent of sticker price. Premium luxury cars averaged the lowest with 2.2 percent and premium sport cars followed with 3.7 percent of sticker price.
Comparing all brands, in June Subaru spent the least, $533 followed by Scion at $565 per vehicle sold. At the other end of the spectrum, Saab spent the most, $5,843, followed by Cadillac at $5,505 per vehicle sold. Relative to their vehicle prices, Mercury and Saab spent the most, 15.5 percent and 14.5 percent of sticker price, respectively; while Subaru spent 2.1 and Porsche spent 2.1 percent.
Edmunds.com's monthly True Cost of IncentivesSM (TCISM) report takes into account all automakers' various U.S. incentives programs, including subvented interest rates and lease programs, as well as cash rebates to consumers and dealers. To ensure the greatest possible accuracy, Edmunds.com bases its calculations on sales volume, including the mix of vehicle makes and models for each month, as well as on the proportion of vehicles for which each type of incentive was used.
07-08-2010, 03:56 PM
#1106
Genesis: 2,569 (1,838)
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
Is that a typo or something? Or is that for sedan only?....with all this hype....with its RWD layout....with the turbo engine....with the powerful V8 engine.....with the attractive design......with the low pricing......that's way too low........I mean..Ford sold 8k mustangs last month.....and the ugly, slow, heavy TL with old technology is outselling that. That's impossible. Gotta be a typo....or may be....a supply problem...
Sales of the coupe has been a flop; the sedan, otoh, is doing pretty well for its segment.
But as bad as the sales of the coupe have been, they are, nonetheless, better than other Asian 2+2s (such as the RX-8) aside from the G37 coupe.
It's a mistake to compare sales of the Gen coupe to the pony cars, as well as a mistake for Hyundai to try to compete in that segment - which is why the 2G coupe will go upscale and compete against its more natural competitor, the G37C.
As for the TL, it, like the GC, are pretty decent looking vehicles aside from the atrocious grills.
A mid-gen refresh w/ grills more like the better aftermarket grills and a bump in power would go a long way in helping to improve sales (albeit, likely wouldn't turn them into top sellers); yeah, I know Acura just debuted a camo'ed 2011 TL, but I'm not sure a smaller beak grill is the cosmetic improvement buyers are looking for (it's a shame, since the TL is pretty handsome looking from the side; altho, the rear could use some help as well).
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-acura-tl.html
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07-08-2010, 04:12 PM
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loll, just read my previous post....I admit that I was being a bit sarcastic back there...but I think it's kinda true too. Before the Genesis coupe came, Hyundai was selling the Genesis sedan at around 1000-1500 units per month if I remember correctly. Now with the coupe, the total is only at 2500 units.
I guess it's not bad when you compare it with RX8 and 370Z. But then I think the RSX used to sell much better right, even though it was more $$?
I guess it's not bad when you compare it with RX8 and 370Z. But then I think the RSX used to sell much better right, even though it was more $$?
07-08-2010, 04:29 PM
#1108
Senior Moderator
My dad was in the same boat when looking. The color and options he wanted he would have had to wait 6 months to get. He was lucky to find something similar (though not exactly what he wanted because he didnt want to wait)
07-08-2010, 04:52 PM
#1109
^ That makes sense considering that Hyundai totally underestimated the % of Genesis sales (thinking it would be more like 20% rather than the 45%) w/ the Tau V8.
07-08-2010, 08:14 PM
#1110
Honda brand has much higher reputation in emerging markets. let alone in developed markets of Australlia, Germany, UK etc.
Honda Of accord - automobile of year in Russia 2009 | All news, the automobiles
Honda Of accord already the third year contract becomes the automobile of year in Russia in the nomination “middle class”. To us it is especially pleasant that the victory is achieved in the fight with such strong rivals as Audi A4 and Mazda 6.
Yearly national reward “the automobile of year in Russia” is founded in 2000 by the journal “auto-panorama” with the assistance to associations “Russian automobile dealers”. Today competition has general national scale, project supports a whole series of automobile, life-style and business publications, automobile telecasts and Internet portals. The victory of automobile in the competition is the quality mark, confirmed by users. The total number of automobiles, represented in the competition “the automobile of year in Russia” in 2009, constructed 375 models. In the voting participated more than 200 thousand people.
Honda Of accord - this is sport sedan of [premium] of the class, in which excellently are combined dynamic and aggressive style, bonus interior and unsurpassed comfort. The perfect, emotional exterior of new In honda Of accord, the exquisite dynamics and the salient technical characteristics, which carry in themselves the innovation and sport spirit Of honda, allowed this model to occupy special position among the bonus sedans of D- segment.
Honda Of accord - automobile of year in Russia 2009 | All news, the automobiles
Honda Of accord already the third year contract becomes the automobile of year in Russia in the nomination “middle class”. To us it is especially pleasant that the victory is achieved in the fight with such strong rivals as Audi A4 and Mazda 6.
Yearly national reward “the automobile of year in Russia” is founded in 2000 by the journal “auto-panorama” with the assistance to associations “Russian automobile dealers”. Today competition has general national scale, project supports a whole series of automobile, life-style and business publications, automobile telecasts and Internet portals. The victory of automobile in the competition is the quality mark, confirmed by users. The total number of automobiles, represented in the competition “the automobile of year in Russia” in 2009, constructed 375 models. In the voting participated more than 200 thousand people.
Honda Of accord - this is sport sedan of [premium] of the class, in which excellently are combined dynamic and aggressive style, bonus interior and unsurpassed comfort. The perfect, emotional exterior of new In honda Of accord, the exquisite dynamics and the salient technical characteristics, which carry in themselves the innovation and sport spirit Of honda, allowed this model to occupy special position among the bonus sedans of D- segment.
07-08-2010, 08:46 PM
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He couldnt even find what he was looking for in the V6, there were just none in the states. Only one was on a transporter to a dealer in Seattle that was ordered by someone else.
07-08-2010, 09:16 PM
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Honda Of accord - automobile of year in Russia 2009 | All news, the automobiles
Honda Of accord already the third year contract becomes the automobile of year in Russia in the nomination “middle class”. To us it is especially pleasant that the victory is achieved in the fight with such strong rivals as Audi A4 and Mazda 6.
Yearly national reward “the automobile of year in Russia” is founded in 2000 by the journal “auto-panorama” with the assistance to associations “Russian automobile dealers”. Today competition has general national scale, project supports a whole series of automobile, life-style and business publications, automobile telecasts and Internet portals. The victory of automobile in the competition is the quality mark, confirmed by users. The total number of automobiles, represented in the competition “the automobile of year in Russia” in 2009, constructed 375 models. In the voting participated more than 200 thousand people.
Honda Of accord - this is sport sedan of [premium] of the class, in which excellently are combined dynamic and aggressive style, bonus interior and unsurpassed comfort. The perfect, emotional exterior of new In honda Of accord, the exquisite dynamics and the salient technical characteristics, which carry in themselves the innovation and sport spirit Of honda, allowed this model to occupy special position among the bonus sedans of D- segment.
Honda Of accord already the third year contract becomes the automobile of year in Russia in the nomination “middle class”. To us it is especially pleasant that the victory is achieved in the fight with such strong rivals as Audi A4 and Mazda 6.
Yearly national reward “the automobile of year in Russia” is founded in 2000 by the journal “auto-panorama” with the assistance to associations “Russian automobile dealers”. Today competition has general national scale, project supports a whole series of automobile, life-style and business publications, automobile telecasts and Internet portals. The victory of automobile in the competition is the quality mark, confirmed by users. The total number of automobiles, represented in the competition “the automobile of year in Russia” in 2009, constructed 375 models. In the voting participated more than 200 thousand people.
Honda Of accord - this is sport sedan of [premium] of the class, in which excellently are combined dynamic and aggressive style, bonus interior and unsurpassed comfort. The perfect, emotional exterior of new In honda Of accord, the exquisite dynamics and the salient technical characteristics, which carry in themselves the innovation and sport spirit Of honda, allowed this model to occupy special position among the bonus sedans of D- segment.
You go on and on about hte honda BRAND, then bring up one MODEL. Until you bring up where the honda BRAND as a whole is so highly regarded, your OPINIONS are just that.
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
#1113
So pre-bankrupt GM had a few winners in its day too and models that were well regarded, but one CANNOT assume that just because ONE model is well regarded, the whole BRAND should be well regarded.
You go on and on about hte honda BRAND, then bring up one MODEL. Until you bring up where the honda BRAND as a whole is so highly regarded, your OPINIONS are just that.
You go on and on about hte honda BRAND, then bring up one MODEL. Until you bring up where the honda BRAND as a whole is so highly regarded, your OPINIONS are just that.
Honda products are more reliable over 20 to 30 year use. most other cars have less than 7 years use.
Honda EuroAccord also got car of the year in Australlia and most reliable vehicle in UK. GM/toyota/Nissan are in no position to match Honda quality and reliablity culture maintianed through out the world.
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...d=aMDncEEwr5Nw
GM’s Opel Passes Fiat as Germany’s Top Discounter as Sales Fall
GM’s Opel Passes Fiat as Germany’s Top Discounter as Sales Fall
Honda quality and price is such level it will be making more money per Motorcycle than Toyota/GM selling its cars. so you have to start comparing Honda Motorcycle sales with GM/Toyota Car sales.
http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2010/...ity-study.html
In a survey conducted in the UK by bike magazine MCN, Honda motorcycles have come out on top as the most reliable of all bikes. Eight of the top ten positions were taken by Honda motorcycles, with the NT700V Deauville being voted as the most reliable of all motorcycles, followed by the CBR600RR, ST1300 Pan European, Honda’s CBR1100XX Blackbird, CBR1000RR Fireblade, VFR800, VFR800 VTEC and the CBF1000.
In a survey conducted in the UK by bike magazine MCN, Honda motorcycles have come out on top as the most reliable of all bikes. Eight of the top ten positions were taken by Honda motorcycles, with the NT700V Deauville being voted as the most reliable of all motorcycles, followed by the CBR600RR, ST1300 Pan European, Honda’s CBR1100XX Blackbird, CBR1000RR Fireblade, VFR800, VFR800 VTEC and the CBF1000.
http://living.oneindia.in/automobile...es-020710.html
Hero Honda Retains No.1 Rank For The 18th Time
Hero Honda Retains No.1 Rank For The 18th Time
07-09-2010, 12:50 AM
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How in the hell are you equating Hondas reliability [for motorcycles] with sales?
Especially when that link doesnt show the actual list, and only 2 of those bikes are current models.
Especially when that link doesnt show the actual list, and only 2 of those bikes are current models.
07-09-2010, 07:49 AM
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I think you should be a politician 'cuz you go so out of your way to avoid answering questions.
Let me state the question a different way so you might understand it better (i doubt it though)...
What EVIDENCE do you have to support your argument the the WHOLE brand is held in such high regards in developing countries? If ONE model is held in high regard, you cannot make the leap that the whole BRAND is held in high regard.
We're not talking about motorcycle sales, we're not even talking about car sales volume, we're not talking about what awards one model won, we're not talking about reliability, we're talking about the honda BRAND and what evidence you have that the BRAND is held in such high regard because that's what you keep on spewing.
Let me state the question a different way so you might understand it better (i doubt it though)...
What EVIDENCE do you have to support your argument the the WHOLE brand is held in such high regards in developing countries? If ONE model is held in high regard, you cannot make the leap that the whole BRAND is held in high regard.
We're not talking about motorcycle sales, we're not even talking about car sales volume, we're not talking about what awards one model won, we're not talking about reliability, we're talking about the honda BRAND and what evidence you have that the BRAND is held in such high regard because that's what you keep on spewing.
07-09-2010, 09:00 AM
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GM didnot had winners in all countries of the world on multi year basis especially on quality and reliability.
Honda products are more reliable over 20 to 30 year use. most other cars have less than 7 years use.
Honda EuroAccord also got car of the year in Australlia and most reliable vehicle in UK. GM/toyota/Nissan are in no position to match Honda quality and reliablity culture maintianed through out the world.
Honda quality and price is such level it will be making more money per Motorcycle than Toyota/GM selling its cars. so you have to start comparing Honda Motorcycle sales with GM/Toyota Car sales.
when u sell Motorcycles in millions. even $200 to $300 profit per bike is better than selling deeply discounted warranty prone , free maintianance vehicles with zero percent financing.
Honda products are more reliable over 20 to 30 year use. most other cars have less than 7 years use.
Honda EuroAccord also got car of the year in Australlia and most reliable vehicle in UK. GM/toyota/Nissan are in no position to match Honda quality and reliablity culture maintianed through out the world.
Honda quality and price is such level it will be making more money per Motorcycle than Toyota/GM selling its cars. so you have to start comparing Honda Motorcycle sales with GM/Toyota Car sales.
when u sell Motorcycles in millions. even $200 to $300 profit per bike is better than selling deeply discounted warranty prone , free maintianance vehicles with zero percent financing.
Are you Takanobu Ito?
07-09-2010, 09:10 AM
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I think you should be a politician 'cuz you go so out of your way to avoid answering questions.
Let me state the question a different way so you might understand it better (i doubt it though)...
What EVIDENCE do you have to support your argument the the WHOLE brand is held in such high regards in developing countries? If ONE model is held in high regard, you cannot make the leap that the whole BRAND is held in high regard.
We're not talking about motorcycle sales, we're not even talking about car sales volume, we're not talking about what awards one model won, we're not talking about reliability, we're talking about the honda BRAND and what evidence you have that the BRAND is held in such high regard because that's what you keep on spewing.
Let me state the question a different way so you might understand it better (i doubt it though)...
What EVIDENCE do you have to support your argument the the WHOLE brand is held in such high regards in developing countries? If ONE model is held in high regard, you cannot make the leap that the whole BRAND is held in high regard.
We're not talking about motorcycle sales, we're not even talking about car sales volume, we're not talking about what awards one model won, we're not talking about reliability, we're talking about the honda BRAND and what evidence you have that the BRAND is held in such high regard because that's what you keep on spewing.
07-09-2010, 09:12 AM
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07-09-2010, 09:16 AM
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Maybe he gets free lawn mowers from Honda.
Now we'll start hearing about lawn mower sales world wide.
07-09-2010, 09:51 AM
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Honda lawn mowers ARE highly revered the world over. Their reliability and quality is unsurpassed, and they also have adjustable ground clearance. Nissan/Infiniti can never match that.