Monthly Car Sales news
#1041
Hey, I'm back!!! Suffice it to say I was again disappointed with the TL sales numbers for May but not really surprised! I just can't believe the number of 4G TL owners over on the 4G forums who still think the poor sales performance is due to production shortages ![pofl](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/pofl.gif)
Nice to see the TSX and MDX still doing pretty well in sales.
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Nice to see the TSX and MDX still doing pretty well in sales.
#1042
Senior Moderator
Hey, I'm back!!! Suffice it to say I was again disappointed with the TL sales numbers for May but not really surprised! I just can't believe the number of 4G TL owners over on the 4G forums who still think the poor sales performance is due to production shortages
Nice to see the TSX and MDX still doing pretty well in sales.
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Nice to see the TSX and MDX still doing pretty well in sales.
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As far the MDX goes, we love our 09 tremendously only having slight regrets about not getting the Tech Pkg.
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#1043
As much as I agree with you, let's not go down that road again. Some of said owners cause me to flashback late 2003 with the 6G Maxima folks. I'm just hoping that Acura follows Nissan's lead in that department and makes up for it with a great 5G TL. (NOTE TO HONDA: Tell your design studio to re-evolve the 3G's styling in your 5G styling project.) Lord knows, the powertrain, performance and technology in the current model are all present and accounted for.
As far the MDX goes, we love our 09 tremendously only having slight regrets about not getting the Tech Pkg.![Too Cool](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/toocool.gif)
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As far the MDX goes, we love our 09 tremendously only having slight regrets about not getting the Tech Pkg.
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Couldn't agree with you more!
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#1044
Suzuka Master
I wonder what kind of sales vw needs here in the US to catch up to toyota and surpass it as the worlds largest automaker.
Also that whole Hyundai argument thats been going on, I agree with those that are saying the sonata is gonna give the accord/camry a run for their money.
Personally I would take the new sonata over the accord and camry. And when the new 2.0T comes out I believe they will sell more than 2-3k of those. I would say that would bring a price increase of what 3k? I'm sure a lot of people would opt for that over the NA 4 banger. We have a fully loaded 08 accord at home. And I got to say everywhere I look at, its just boring. There's nothing eye catching about this car. The sonata on the other hand, inside and out is pretty good looking. And most people looking to buy a car in this class do not care for performance. All they care about is the amount of room, styling, how comfortable it is, features. Hyundai made the Sonata big just like the accord, I havent sat inside or seen dimensions but I'm gonna guess its close to that of the accord. Styling far better than the accord inside and out. I would guess the accord would be a little more comfortable, but I dunno. Sonata will be close though. Features, I would say it offers more than the accord. Give it some time and I believe Sonata will be up there fighting for the #1 spot.
Also that whole Hyundai argument thats been going on, I agree with those that are saying the sonata is gonna give the accord/camry a run for their money.
Personally I would take the new sonata over the accord and camry. And when the new 2.0T comes out I believe they will sell more than 2-3k of those. I would say that would bring a price increase of what 3k? I'm sure a lot of people would opt for that over the NA 4 banger. We have a fully loaded 08 accord at home. And I got to say everywhere I look at, its just boring. There's nothing eye catching about this car. The sonata on the other hand, inside and out is pretty good looking. And most people looking to buy a car in this class do not care for performance. All they care about is the amount of room, styling, how comfortable it is, features. Hyundai made the Sonata big just like the accord, I havent sat inside or seen dimensions but I'm gonna guess its close to that of the accord. Styling far better than the accord inside and out. I would guess the accord would be a little more comfortable, but I dunno. Sonata will be close though. Features, I would say it offers more than the accord. Give it some time and I believe Sonata will be up there fighting for the #1 spot.
#1045
Also that whole Hyundai argument thats been going on, I agree with those that are saying the sonata is gonna give the accord/camry a run for their money.
Consider the source of the opposition (look at the one person saying it ain't so :P)
And when the new 2.0T comes out I believe they will sell more than 2-3k of those. I would say that would bring a price increase of what 3k?
Consider the source of the opposition (look at the one person saying it ain't so :P)
And when the new 2.0T comes out I believe they will sell more than 2-3k of those. I would say that would bring a price increase of what 3k?
The 2011 2.0T will start just under 25K (probably without destination), at least that's what I thought I've read somewhere. I could be wrong.
#1046
Race Director
The one big unknown for now is what the Camry will be like in a year when a new model is due. A good model from Toyota could stunt any growth of the Sonata (and others).
#1047
#1048
some time next year. VW family sedan will be launched. and with new larger Jetta MK6.
I think this whole field will be crowded. VW has advantage in diesels. they are going to bring Polo sedan and coupe to compete with subcompacts.
![](http://image.automotive.com/f/news/eurp_0910_2011_volkswagen_mid_size_sedan/26848498+pheader/eurp_0910_z_00+vw_concept_2011_sedan+drawing.jpg)
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/s...er-966118.html
BRIEF: Volkswagen today opens $40 million Chatanooga training center
I think this whole field will be crowded. VW has advantage in diesels. they are going to bring Polo sedan and coupe to compete with subcompacts.
![](http://image.automotive.com/f/news/eurp_0910_2011_volkswagen_mid_size_sedan/26848498+pheader/eurp_0910_z_00+vw_concept_2011_sedan+drawing.jpg)
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/s...er-966118.html
BRIEF: Volkswagen today opens $40 million Chatanooga training center
#1049
Suzuka Master
some time next year. VW family sedan will be launched. and with new larger Jetta MK6.
I think this whole field will be crowded. VW has advantage in diesels. they are going to bring Polo sedan and coupe to compete with subcompacts.
![](http://image.automotive.com/f/news/eurp_0910_2011_volkswagen_mid_size_sedan/26848498+pheader/eurp_0910_z_00+vw_concept_2011_sedan+drawing.jpg)
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/s...er-966118.html
BRIEF: Volkswagen today opens $40 million Chatanooga training center
I think this whole field will be crowded. VW has advantage in diesels. they are going to bring Polo sedan and coupe to compete with subcompacts.
![](http://image.automotive.com/f/news/eurp_0910_2011_volkswagen_mid_size_sedan/26848498+pheader/eurp_0910_z_00+vw_concept_2011_sedan+drawing.jpg)
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/s...er-966118.html
BRIEF: Volkswagen today opens $40 million Chatanooga training center
Yea the NMS (or w/e its called) is purely being designed for the american market in hand. So expect a big car, lots of standard features, quality(its a vw), german engineering. Now the only thing I think they will have a problem is the price point. Because I don't think vw will ruin its name and go with cheap materials, but then again they are saving money by using the FWD platform they will be using. Forgot what its called. That FWD platform is suppose to work for about 60 cars in the future. Thats also why they will be changing the new golf. MKVII should be out sooner than usual to switch to that platform for cost savings, and also differentiate itself from the polo a bit more.
Ohh and I dont think VW is bringing the POlo here, could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
#1050
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
I doubt well get the Polo, we already have the Rabbit.
EDIT - Just checked VW, what happened to the Rabbit?![Tomato](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/tomato.gif)
I do wish we'd get the Scirocco. Very sexy hatch.
EDIT - Just checked VW, what happened to the Rabbit?
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I do wish we'd get the Scirocco. Very sexy hatch.
#1052
Yea the NMS (or w/e its called) is purely being designed for the american market in hand. So expect a big car, lots of standard features, quality(its a vw), german engineering. Now the only thing I think they will have a problem is the price point. Because I don't think vw will ruin its name and go with cheap materials, but then again they are saving money by using the FWD platform they will be using. Forgot what its called. That FWD platform is suppose to work for about 60 cars in the future. Thats also why they will be changing the new golf. MKVII should be out sooner than usual to switch to that platform for cost savings, and also differentiate itself from the polo a bit more.
Ohh and I dont think VW is bringing the POlo here, could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Ohh and I dont think VW is bringing the POlo here, could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
VW is now approaching Toyota/GM size interms of Volume. So it can buy materials in bulk to very large orders. Company is extremely profitable with deep market penetration in rest of the worl.
so it can finance large number of technologies and platforms simultaneously and free maintiance on models.
Its 4cylinder TDI has same mass effect now on diesel as the Prius on hybrid market. with increasing volume it can potentially lower the prices.
It is no longer nich player. sales have increased 34% this year without US factory. and they dont have cheap car like Corrolla/Elantra yet.
New larger Jetta with lower price is almost ready for production. when Jetta is enlarged. so there is space for subcompact sedan.
VW is the brand to watch for in coming decade in NA market.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2...says/?business
Factory on 'fast track,' VW says
Factory on 'fast track,' VW says
#1053
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
#1054
#1056
Suzuka Master
The rabbit is now the golf haha, they changed it for this generation. Brought back the golf name.
The passat won't do good in the US, VW's most successful car will be, and probably always be the jetta. But the new NMR car they are designing may do better who knows. But you rarely see passat's on the road.
Couple of things that are in VW favor that were not in the past.
VW is now approaching Toyota/GM size interms of Volume. So it can buy materials in bulk to very large orders. Company is extremely profitable with deep market penetration in rest of the worl.
so it can finance large number of technologies and platforms simultaneously and free maintiance on models.
Its 4cylinder TDI has same mass effect now on diesel as the Prius on hybrid market. with increasing volume it can potentially lower the prices.
It is no longer nich player. sales have increased 34% this year without US factory. and they dont have cheap car like Corrolla/Elantra yet.
New larger Jetta with lower price is almost ready for production. when Jetta is enlarged. so there is space for subcompact sedan.
VW is the brand to watch for in coming decade in NA market.
VW is now approaching Toyota/GM size interms of Volume. So it can buy materials in bulk to very large orders. Company is extremely profitable with deep market penetration in rest of the worl.
so it can finance large number of technologies and platforms simultaneously and free maintiance on models.
Its 4cylinder TDI has same mass effect now on diesel as the Prius on hybrid market. with increasing volume it can potentially lower the prices.
It is no longer nich player. sales have increased 34% this year without US factory. and they dont have cheap car like Corrolla/Elantra yet.
New larger Jetta with lower price is almost ready for production. when Jetta is enlarged. so there is space for subcompact sedan.
VW is the brand to watch for in coming decade in NA market.
One thing I think VW needs to do, is have some powertrain upgrades. The 2.0 TSI engine they are using is pretty low on numbers compared to its competition. Hopefully they will be an upgrade soon. The TSI engine has a lot of potential so a lot of change does not need to be done.
#1057
Suzuka Master
#1059
AZ Community Team
Always amazed at the RX350, E-class, and 3-series how that dominate their classes.
Also the Panamera is selling well, almost up to the 7-series.
Also the Panamera is selling well, almost up to the 7-series.
#1060
AZ Community Team
#1061
The average buying of the RX or E-Class just wants a smooth, quiet, luxurious vehicle, and that's what they are. They're also dependable, primarily the RX, well trimmed, and have the latest features. They aren't controversial in their styling or in any other way.
Like the Camry or Impala, they're "safe" bets on a new car ownership experience.
#1062
Race Director
#1063
Make that $32-42K; the Lexus LS400 had an MSRP of $35K which was closer to a fully loaded C Class, much less a fully loaded E Class or S Class - I guess that means we mustn't compare the LS400 to the S, much less the E.
So, since the RL is in the $50K class, it's barely a true E segment competitor and in no way a competitor against the true flagship models (your argument, not mine).
Frankly (as others have pointed out), there's no point in trying to further educate someone who is so deluded, but anyway, thanks for the laughs.
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#1064
#1067
Race Director
#1068
Safety Car
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Silverado 33,690 +7.1%
Ram 17,298 +11%
Sierra 11,305 +10.1%
Tundra 8,491 +32.4%
Titan 2,063 +27.1%
Tacoma 8,630 -15.1%
Ranger 6,651 +25.8%
Frontier 3,739 +20.2%
Ridgeline 1,853 +26.8%
#1069
Punk Rocker
You guys might not get why the RX350 sells so well, but I just recently had a 2010 as a loaner for a few days and let me tell you, its a very nice car with tons of luxury equipment. It would be the perfect car for my wife (and probably everybody else's wives).....
#1070
Tundra and Titan sales are up in a big way. I didn't expect that.
In fact, so is the Ridgeline. I have grown to reall like that truck.
#1071
Safety Car
Incentives are Probably the Reason
Titan currently has $4,000 cash-to-customer in addition to 0.0% financing ... on top of being sold @ invoice.
Tundra is also being sold @ invoice plus $500 cash-to-customer & 0.0% financing.
Ridgeline is going for around invoice & 0.9% financing but w/ no cash incentives.
Tundra is also being sold @ invoice plus $500 cash-to-customer & 0.0% financing.
Ridgeline is going for around invoice & 0.9% financing but w/ no cash incentives.
#1072
I think Titans are pretty under rated. If you need an extended cab or crew cab and want the 'big' engine, they're still a really good truck.
Not the best nor by a long shot, but still should be on buyers' list. Personally, I'd go Denali.
Not the best nor by a long shot, but still should be on buyers' list. Personally, I'd go Denali.
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#1073
You guys might not get why the RX350 sells so well, but I just recently had a 2010 as a loaner for a few days and let me tell you, its a very nice car with tons of luxury equipment. It would be the perfect car for my wife (and probably everybody else's wives).....
#1074
The sizzle in the Steak
The auto rebound is a myth
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The auto industry appears to be turning the corner. But the American consumer has yet to come along for the ride.
Overall U.S. auto sales have rebounded nicely, up 17% through the first five months of the year. Auto companies will announce their sales for June on Thursday and analysts expect another increase from a year ago.
But much of the improvement has been due to a 38% jump in fleet sales to businesses, such as rental car companies. Retail sales are up a far more modest 12%.
"Consumer confidence is far from repaired," said Jesse Toprak, vice president of industry trends at TrueCar.com. "They can't pull the trigger on big ticket purchases. We don't see that changing any time soon."
In fact, the current sales pace isn't even keeping up with the rate of vehicles being scrapped because they've reached the end of their useful lives.
With 12 million vehicles a year being scrapped and with 1 million to 2 million new drivers being added to the roads every year, sales of anything under 13 million to 14 million vehicles indicates weak consumer demand. But the year-to-date sales pace has averaged just 11.3 million vehicles. That's yet another sign of how fragile the economy is.
"With high unemployment and the need to cut debt, consumer spending is still logically restrained. The industry is years away from normal levels," said Paul Ballew, senior vice president at insurance company Nationwide Financial.
Ballew said the drop in demand for new vehicles in recent years was unlike anything since the 1982 recession. It took five or six years for demand to fully come back after that He expects it will take a similar amount of time for demand to return to more "normal" levels, which he estimates at about 16 million vehicles annually.
Toprak said tight credit remains a major drag on sales too. He said many consumers who would normally be considered good credit risks are having trouble getting car loans.
"Maybe they were too loose with credit in the past, but underwriters went from one extreme to another," he said.
The fact that housing prices remain depressed continues to be a significant problem as well, said George Pipas, director of sales analysis for Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500). Recent declines in the stock market also can slow demand for auto sales.
"There was such destruction of wealth that occurred in the Great Recession that even though technically the recovery is underway, for many consumers it'll be at least 12 months before they feel like we're out of a recession," Pipas said.
The good news for the industry though is that automakers can be profitable even with sharply lower sales because they made deep cuts in overhead costs and capacity during the downturn.
Ford is completing its fourth straight profitable quarter, and General Motors returned to the black in the first quarter, putting it in position to again sell shares to the public later this year or early next year.
Demand is strong enough to keep GM assembly lines churning out cars through what would normally be the scheduled summer shutdown. Toyota Motor (TM) just resumed construction of a Mississippi plant that has been on hold for two years.
But with increasing signs that the pace of U.S. economic growth is slowing down, auto sales are likely to continue to tread water, at best.
"This was supposed to be the start of a robust sales recovery, but it now seems like it's not going to be the case," said Toprak
Overall U.S. auto sales have rebounded nicely, up 17% through the first five months of the year. Auto companies will announce their sales for June on Thursday and analysts expect another increase from a year ago.
But much of the improvement has been due to a 38% jump in fleet sales to businesses, such as rental car companies. Retail sales are up a far more modest 12%.
"Consumer confidence is far from repaired," said Jesse Toprak, vice president of industry trends at TrueCar.com. "They can't pull the trigger on big ticket purchases. We don't see that changing any time soon."
In fact, the current sales pace isn't even keeping up with the rate of vehicles being scrapped because they've reached the end of their useful lives.
With 12 million vehicles a year being scrapped and with 1 million to 2 million new drivers being added to the roads every year, sales of anything under 13 million to 14 million vehicles indicates weak consumer demand. But the year-to-date sales pace has averaged just 11.3 million vehicles. That's yet another sign of how fragile the economy is.
"With high unemployment and the need to cut debt, consumer spending is still logically restrained. The industry is years away from normal levels," said Paul Ballew, senior vice president at insurance company Nationwide Financial.
Ballew said the drop in demand for new vehicles in recent years was unlike anything since the 1982 recession. It took five or six years for demand to fully come back after that He expects it will take a similar amount of time for demand to return to more "normal" levels, which he estimates at about 16 million vehicles annually.
Toprak said tight credit remains a major drag on sales too. He said many consumers who would normally be considered good credit risks are having trouble getting car loans.
"Maybe they were too loose with credit in the past, but underwriters went from one extreme to another," he said.
The fact that housing prices remain depressed continues to be a significant problem as well, said George Pipas, director of sales analysis for Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500). Recent declines in the stock market also can slow demand for auto sales.
"There was such destruction of wealth that occurred in the Great Recession that even though technically the recovery is underway, for many consumers it'll be at least 12 months before they feel like we're out of a recession," Pipas said.
The good news for the industry though is that automakers can be profitable even with sharply lower sales because they made deep cuts in overhead costs and capacity during the downturn.
Ford is completing its fourth straight profitable quarter, and General Motors returned to the black in the first quarter, putting it in position to again sell shares to the public later this year or early next year.
Demand is strong enough to keep GM assembly lines churning out cars through what would normally be the scheduled summer shutdown. Toyota Motor (TM) just resumed construction of a Mississippi plant that has been on hold for two years.
But with increasing signs that the pace of U.S. economic growth is slowing down, auto sales are likely to continue to tread water, at best.
"This was supposed to be the start of a robust sales recovery, but it now seems like it's not going to be the case," said Toprak
#1075
Safety Car
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American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted June sales of 106,627 vehicles, an increase of 6.2 percent, the company announced today. American Honda year-to-date sales reached 593,909, an increase of 12.6 percent versus last year, based on the daily selling rate*.
Honda Division posted June sales of 95,788, an increase of 4.0 percent versus June 2009, led by total car sales of 56,854, up 8.0 percent. The Accord was the top-selling Honda model for June with sales of 26,792, an increase of 11.8 percent compared to last year. The Civic posted sales of 26,474, an increase of 26.3 percent. Additional models with year-over-year increases included the CR-V, up 16.9 percent with sales of 16,041 and the Pilot, up 10.0 percent with sales of 8,986.
"June brought impressive double-digit sales gains for Honda's Accord, Civic and CR-V models," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda. "Americans are still seeking out the value and versatility that Honda models offer, and we aim to only improve their options with the all-new CR-Z and completely redesigned Odyssey in the coming months."
Acura Division recorded June sales of 10,839, an increase of 30.9 percent versus June 2009, and year-to-date sales of 61,117, an increase of 20.4 percent. The MDX was the top-selling Acura model for the month with sales of 3,847, up 63.6 percent. The RDX and TSX models also had June increases with sales up 52.6 percent and 32.8 percent, respectively.
#1076
6G TLX-S
Everything goes up in Acura except the questionable-front-end-styling TL. Interesting.
#1077
it's funny the beak seems to be doing wonders for the MDX, but it's not so helpful for the TL. I've said it before, the power plenum appears to work better on SUVs, not on sedans. it's more proportional whereas on the sedans it seems to overpower.
#1079
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