Monthly Car Sales news
#1161
Go Big Blue!
One improved month and suddenly nothing is wrong at Acura? How quickly the past few months and double digits sales declines get forgotten. Everything up until this month outside of the MDX and TSX was abysmal. Lets see if they can keep this up.
Good news is tweaked grilles are coming for the TSX (11) and TL (12) so things are looking up.
Good news is tweaked grilles are coming for the TSX (11) and TL (12) so things are looking up.
#1164
OG Member
Thread Starter
July 2010 - Overall Luxury Brand Sales
1. BMW - 19,064
2. Lexus - 18,595
3. Mercedes-Benz - 17,367
4. Cadillac - 14,919
5. Acura - 13,017
6. Infiniti - 9,764
7. Audi - 7,817
8. Lincoln - 5,586
9. Volvo - 4,319
10. Porsche - 2,703
11. Land Rover - 2,292
12. Jaguar - 1,516
13. Saab - 470
July 2010 - Luxury Car Sales By Segment
Entry-Level CUV
1. Q5 - 1,930
2. GLK - 1,805
3. RDX - 1,708
4. XC60 - 1,129
5. EX - 669
6. X3 - 559
7. LR2 - N/A
Mid-Level SUV
1. RX - 8,162
2. SRX - 5,723
3. MDX - 4,194
4. X5 - 2,815
5. ML - 1,973
6. MKX - 1,443
7. GX - 1,175
8. Cayenne - 910
9. XC90 - 829
10. RR Sport - 793
11. FX - 778
12. Q7 - 602
13. ZDX - 578
14. X6 - 550
15. LR4 - 522
16. 9-5x - N/A
Large SUV
1. Escalade - 1,252 (All Versions) - 2,209
2. QX - 1,319
3. GL - 1,179
4. Range Rover - 623
5. MKT - 606
6. Navigator - 566
7. LX - 285
8. G Wagon - 48
Pre-Entry-Level
1. TSX - 3,242
2. 1-Series - 1,392
3. C30/S40/V50 - 763
4. A3 - 424
5. HS - 165
Entry-Level
1. 3 - 8,897
2. G - 5,721
3. CTS - 5,516
4. C - 5,309
5. ES - 4,093
6. A4/5 - 3,903
7. TL - 3,123
8. IS - 3,100
9. MKZ - 1,590
10. S60 - 0
11. 9-3 - N/A
Mid-Level
1. E - 5,426
2. 5 - 2,724
3. M - 1,277
4. MKS - 969
5. S80 - 668
6. XF - 627
7. A6/S6 - 620
8. GS - 592
9. STS - 259
10. RL - 172
11. 9-5 - N/A
Flagship
1. LS - 986
2. 7-Series - 904
3. Panamera - 807
4. S-Class - 779
5. XJ - 630
6. A8/S8 - 120
Luxury Coupe/GT
1. G37 Coupe - 1,586
2. A5/S5 - 1,238
3. Corvette - 1,199
4. 6-Series - 987
5. 911 - 594
6. Boxster/Cayman - 392
7. C70 - 385
8. XK - 259
9. Z4 - 236
10. SL - 194
11. TT - 166
12. CL - 99
13. CLS - 93
14. GT-R - 86
15. SLK - 60
16. R8 - 52
17. SLS - 47
18. SC - 36
19. XLR - 5
20. CLK - 5
1. BMW - 19,064
2. Lexus - 18,595
3. Mercedes-Benz - 17,367
4. Cadillac - 14,919
5. Acura - 13,017
6. Infiniti - 9,764
7. Audi - 7,817
8. Lincoln - 5,586
9. Volvo - 4,319
10. Porsche - 2,703
11. Land Rover - 2,292
12. Jaguar - 1,516
13. Saab - 470
July 2010 - Luxury Car Sales By Segment
Entry-Level CUV
1. Q5 - 1,930
2. GLK - 1,805
3. RDX - 1,708
4. XC60 - 1,129
5. EX - 669
6. X3 - 559
7. LR2 - N/A
Mid-Level SUV
1. RX - 8,162
2. SRX - 5,723
3. MDX - 4,194
4. X5 - 2,815
5. ML - 1,973
6. MKX - 1,443
7. GX - 1,175
8. Cayenne - 910
9. XC90 - 829
10. RR Sport - 793
11. FX - 778
12. Q7 - 602
13. ZDX - 578
14. X6 - 550
15. LR4 - 522
16. 9-5x - N/A
Large SUV
1. Escalade - 1,252 (All Versions) - 2,209
2. QX - 1,319
3. GL - 1,179
4. Range Rover - 623
5. MKT - 606
6. Navigator - 566
7. LX - 285
8. G Wagon - 48
Pre-Entry-Level
1. TSX - 3,242
2. 1-Series - 1,392
3. C30/S40/V50 - 763
4. A3 - 424
5. HS - 165
Entry-Level
1. 3 - 8,897
2. G - 5,721
3. CTS - 5,516
4. C - 5,309
5. ES - 4,093
6. A4/5 - 3,903
7. TL - 3,123
8. IS - 3,100
9. MKZ - 1,590
10. S60 - 0
11. 9-3 - N/A
Mid-Level
1. E - 5,426
2. 5 - 2,724
3. M - 1,277
4. MKS - 969
5. S80 - 668
6. XF - 627
7. A6/S6 - 620
8. GS - 592
9. STS - 259
10. RL - 172
11. 9-5 - N/A
Flagship
1. LS - 986
2. 7-Series - 904
3. Panamera - 807
4. S-Class - 779
5. XJ - 630
6. A8/S8 - 120
Luxury Coupe/GT
1. G37 Coupe - 1,586
2. A5/S5 - 1,238
3. Corvette - 1,199
4. 6-Series - 987
5. 911 - 594
6. Boxster/Cayman - 392
7. C70 - 385
8. XK - 259
9. Z4 - 236
10. SL - 194
11. TT - 166
12. CL - 99
13. CLS - 93
14. GT-R - 86
15. SLK - 60
16. R8 - 52
17. SLS - 47
18. SC - 36
19. XLR - 5
20. CLK - 5
Last edited by DrewSRX; 08-03-2010 at 02:22 PM.
#1167
Honda Fanboy
One improved month and suddenly nothing is wrong at Acura? How quickly the past few months and double digits sales declines get forgotten. Everything up until this month outside of the MDX and TSX was abysmal. Lets see if they can keep this up.
Good news is tweaked grilles are coming for the TSX (11) and TL (12) so things are looking up.
Good news is tweaked grilles are coming for the TSX (11) and TL (12) so things are looking up.
#1168
Senior Moderator
Pretty sad when the CTS and STS outsell the TL and RL (not to mention a lot of others by wide margins). And daym, the 80-110k A8/S8 is nearly selling the same amount of vehicles as the RL
#1169
Senior Moderator
One improved month and suddenly nothing is wrong at Acura? How quickly the past few months and double digits sales declines get forgotten. Everything up until this month outside of the MDX and TSX was abysmal. Lets see if they can keep this up.
Good news is tweaked grilles are coming for the TSX (11) and TL (12) so things are looking up.
Good news is tweaked grilles are coming for the TSX (11) and TL (12) so things are looking up.
#1170
Honda Fanboy
Yes it is a still on a stop sale. It has been over a month and Lexus has shown itself to be incapable of providing a solution to the problems, one of many. Even when the car was for sale though Lexus was giving them away for Camry-like lease deals so in reality, consumers are not affected by this, stop sale or not cause nobody wants to buy one either way.
#1171
Senior Moderator
The ZDX was introduced this year. Not many sales but it helps the numbers.
And its positive growth vs Last year, that's not really saying much since sales were atrocious. How do the YTD figures compare to everyone else?
#1172
Senior Moderator
YTD
BMW +8.9
Lexus +16.1
Infiniti +25.3
Audi +27.1
Acura +24.3
Cadillac +45.6
MB +19.5
I'd like to look up total 2009 sales for each, just to get an idea of how far some dropped in 09 vs recovered in 10.
BMW +8.9
Lexus +16.1
Infiniti +25.3
Audi +27.1
Acura +24.3
Cadillac +45.6
MB +19.5
I'd like to look up total 2009 sales for each, just to get an idea of how far some dropped in 09 vs recovered in 10.
#1173
Go Big Blue!
I stand corrected. Acura has had positive growth every month this year except Jan. But... The TL was in the red every month save March. Your bread and butter sedan should be leading the division, not dragging it down.
The ZDX was introduced this year. Not many sales but it helps the numbers.
And its positive growth vs Last year, that's not really saying much since sales were atrocious. How do the YTD figures compare to everyone else?
The ZDX was introduced this year. Not many sales but it helps the numbers.
And its positive growth vs Last year, that's not really saying much since sales were atrocious. How do the YTD figures compare to everyone else?
You mention some real problems. An aging flagship sedan that should have been replaced several years ago, and engine / drive train technology that needs to be retired, are two more.
As you said, the brands sales were horrible last year and its hard not to do better. But everyone'ls sales were bad last year and I'm speaking about relative sales and trends compared to others. Their TSX is first in it's class. The RDX and MDX are both third in their class. Sales are good inspite of the problems you mentioned and the two I added. So I think people needs to stop piling on the hate wagon with this company
Last edited by SpicyMikey; 08-03-2010 at 03:58 PM.
#1176
#1177
Infiniti and Audi have no answer to the MDX, plain and simple. The FX and Q7 don't cut it.
Note to Infiniti: Fix the damn FX (too controversially styled and narrowly focused) and EX (too small, cramped, with useless cargo space) and bring back a proper flagship (new Q, Essence sedan, whatever), then you will be in really good shape.
Note to Infiniti: Fix the damn FX (too controversially styled and narrowly focused) and EX (too small, cramped, with useless cargo space) and bring back a proper flagship (new Q, Essence sedan, whatever), then you will be in really good shape.
Last edited by Senneca01; 08-03-2010 at 04:14 PM.
#1178
Honda Fanboy
Because we enthusiasts are not representative of the 90%+ consumers that buy cars.
Infiniti, which is what everyone wants Acura to be (V8, RWD, 7 speed AT, Coupes) has always been outsold by Acura. 90% of consumers don't look for the same attributes in a car as we do here on this forum. Not to mention Infiniti is usually always offering awesome lease deals on their cars on top of it all.
Infiniti, which is what everyone wants Acura to be (V8, RWD, 7 speed AT, Coupes) has always been outsold by Acura. 90% of consumers don't look for the same attributes in a car as we do here on this forum. Not to mention Infiniti is usually always offering awesome lease deals on their cars on top of it all.
Last edited by VTEC Racer; 08-03-2010 at 04:15 PM.
#1179
Honda Fanboy
I'm sure there will be some other car that will be coming out a year after the Buick debuts which will keep you on the fence even longer. lol. But something tells me your favorite car is the 4G TL because it gets the most attention from you.
#1180
Or should I just bite on a deal so that you won't follow my comments all over AZ? Just wondering is all.
#1181
My first Avatar....
#1182
Infiniti and Audi have no answer to the MDX, plain and simple. The FX and Q7 don't cut it.
Note to Infiniti: Fix the damn FX (too controversially styled and narrowly focused) and EX (too small, cramped, with useless cargo space) and bring back a proper flagship (new Q, Essence sedan, whatever), then you will be in really good shape.
Note to Infiniti: Fix the damn FX (too controversially styled and narrowly focused) and EX (too small, cramped, with useless cargo space) and bring back a proper flagship (new Q, Essence sedan, whatever), then you will be in really good shape.
#1183
Just remember, Infiniti has no entry-level compact right now that competes with the TSX, IS, Regal, etc. Once they introduce the G25 at the end of this year/begin of next year, I suspect their sales will increase since they will now have a cheaper entry-level model to compete with the competition that they didn't have before. That is if they market and sell it right.
#1184
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
#1185
hail to the victors
CTS & STS has newer technology. I am not yet declaring TL as failure as it is only two years in 7 year life. Look at RDX. it is in its 4th year now and doing good.
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
Genesis is hardly a failure. it is selling better than MKS, S80, RL, GS and M. average transaction of Genesis is slightly over 40k according to Krafcik, so it's not too far away from GS of the world. not bad for a non luxury korean brand.
and it doesn't do well against ES and Taurus because it only offers RWD. not having AWD option is huge. 50 year old car buyers don't want RWD. they avoid RWD like a plague especially people in colder states. Genesis sales are very good in warmer states compared to colder states rightfully so.
Last edited by chungkopi; 08-03-2010 at 08:13 PM.
#1186
Race Director
#1187
Senior Moderator
CTS & STS has newer technology. I am not yet declaring TL as failure as it is only two years in 7 year life. Look at RDX. it is in its 4th year now and doing good.
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
The STS does NOT have newer tech than an RL. It's selling largely because of lease specials. It really hasn't changed much since this iteration was released, except that the V8 version was discontinued for the last model year and it is a dead model.
The CTS does not have newer tech than a TL. It's selling largely because of lease specials and 0% for 72 months...cash on the table.
The TL's life cycle is generally five model years, not seven. The current RL's lifespan has reached six years, which is still shorter than the previous RL, which went from 1996 to 2004.
Genesis has not failed.
The TL has multiple reasons for its failure to meet expectations, and the looks are only one part of it as multiple other posters posit.
#1188
Genesis is hardly a failure. it is selling better than MKS, S80, RL, GS and M. average transaction of Genesis is slightly over 40k according to Krafcik, so it's not too far away from GS of the world. not bad for a non luxury korean brand.
and it doesn't do well against ES and Taurus because it only offers RWD. not having AWD option is huge. 50 year old car buyers don't want RWD. they avoid RWD like a plague especially people in colder states. Genesis sales are very good in warmer states compared to colder states rightfully so.
and it doesn't do well against ES and Taurus because it only offers RWD. not having AWD option is huge. 50 year old car buyers don't want RWD. they avoid RWD like a plague especially people in colder states. Genesis sales are very good in warmer states compared to colder states rightfully so.
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even 2010 with 10miles on odo is $39k asking. and it is V8 comparable to Sh-AWD. It is asking not the transaction price.
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Warranty: Yes
Stock #: 8948
Miles: 10
Exterior Color: White Satin Pearl
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#1189
Is it too early to declare the TSX a success and the TL a failure? Even after adjusting for the contraction in US auto sales, the 4G TL is selling at a significantly lower rate than the 3G TL at the same point in its model cycle.
#1190
A few issues with your statement.
The STS does NOT have newer tech than an RL. It's selling largely because of lease specials. It really hasn't changed much since this iteration was released, except that the V8 version was discontinued for the last model year and it is a dead model.
The CTS does not have newer tech than a TL. It's selling largely because of lease specials and 0% for 72 months...cash on the table.
The TL's life cycle is generally five model years, not seven. The current RL's lifespan has reached six years, which is still shorter than the previous RL, which went from 1996 to 2004.
Genesis has not failed.
The TL has multiple reasons for its failure to meet expectations, and the looks are only one part of it as multiple other posters posit.
The STS does NOT have newer tech than an RL. It's selling largely because of lease specials. It really hasn't changed much since this iteration was released, except that the V8 version was discontinued for the last model year and it is a dead model.
The CTS does not have newer tech than a TL. It's selling largely because of lease specials and 0% for 72 months...cash on the table.
The TL's life cycle is generally five model years, not seven. The current RL's lifespan has reached six years, which is still shorter than the previous RL, which went from 1996 to 2004.
Genesis has not failed.
The TL has multiple reasons for its failure to meet expectations, and the looks are only one part of it as multiple other posters posit.
TL has moved upmarket it will have the same long life span as RL and MDX.
7 to 8 years.
#1191
OG Member
Thread Starter
Genesis sales include the sedan and coupe (2,309 total), so we don't know the breakdown for the sedan. So, we really don't know how well it is selling compared to the cars you mentioned. But, I agree it isn't a failure by any means.
#1192
Senior Moderator
CTS & STS has newer technology. I am not yet declaring TL as failure as it is only two years in 7 year life. Look at RDX. it is in its 4th year now and doing good.
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
On other hand you already had a failed product called Genesis. It has
RWD/6speed auto/V8/18inch standard and still not selling. I am not sure any thing will improve it.
with TL there is chance with MMC with even higher performance/fuel economy.
And the Genesis is NOT a failure. It beats the RL in sales (which it would happen to be competing with )
Last edited by fsttyms1; 08-03-2010 at 09:15 PM.
#1193
Senior Moderator
#1194
Senior Moderator
But ya, imagine if they had got the stying\size on the TL right. I truly believe they've be selling 5-6k units per month and be much farther up the sales charts.
#1195
Senior Moderator
People on this board for the most part represent the enthusiast comminity. In which Acura is still choosing to pretty much ignore.
But ya, imagine if they had got the stying\size on the TL right. I truly believe they've be selling 5-6k units per month and be much farther up the sales charts.
But ya, imagine if they had got the stying\size on the TL right. I truly believe they've be selling 5-6k units per month and be much farther up the sales charts.
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danielgr at TOV posted a great analysis regarding the TL situation. Go over there and have a read.
Basically he's saying that it's unrealistic to expect the TL to sell as well as 2g and 3g TL. Back then, the TL started at 28k and top of the line was like 33k for the 2g. The 2004 TL was in the 33-35k range. Then the new IS, new G, new C class, new 3 series came alone in 2006-2007. That immediately had an effect on the TL. The TL went from 42000 units in 2006 to 35000 in 2007, to 27000 in 2008. Then after that, there's the new CTS and new A4 as well. The 4G TL has gotten much bigger too, and MUCH MORE expensive. What's more? The new 2G TSX has become/replaced the 2G/3G TL, especially with the new V6 model.
Looking at things this way, I don't think the TL is doing that bad at all. Of course, Acura could have done better.
Basically he's saying that it's unrealistic to expect the TL to sell as well as 2g and 3g TL. Back then, the TL started at 28k and top of the line was like 33k for the 2g. The 2004 TL was in the 33-35k range. Then the new IS, new G, new C class, new 3 series came alone in 2006-2007. That immediately had an effect on the TL. The TL went from 42000 units in 2006 to 35000 in 2007, to 27000 in 2008. Then after that, there's the new CTS and new A4 as well. The 4G TL has gotten much bigger too, and MUCH MORE expensive. What's more? The new 2G TSX has become/replaced the 2G/3G TL, especially with the new V6 model.
Looking at things this way, I don't think the TL is doing that bad at all. Of course, Acura could have done better.
#1197
Race Director
^ It should sell close to ES levels - it has the same background (based on the high volume mid sized sedan) and probably the same customer base (people moving up from the pedestrian make to the luxury make). Acura simply screwed up - too big, too expensive, too ugly.
#1198
AZ Community Team
Like I said above, no one is saying Acura is a model example of how to run a car company. I was just commenting on the grill not being as big an issue as many thought. In fact, it seems to be helping give the brand some identity and help sales. Disclaimer: That's just my opinion based on what I've watched this year with sales once the RDX and MDX got their MMC styling refresh.
You mention some real problems. An aging flagship sedan that should have been replaced several years ago, and engine / drive train technology that needs to be retired, are two more.
As you said, the brands sales were horrible last year and its hard not to do better. But everyone'ls sales were bad last year and I'm speaking about relative sales and trends compared to others. Their TSX is first in it's class. The RDX and MDX are both third in their class. Sales are good inspite of the problems you mentioned and the two I added. So I think people needs to stop piling on the hate wagon with this company
You mention some real problems. An aging flagship sedan that should have been replaced several years ago, and engine / drive train technology that needs to be retired, are two more.
As you said, the brands sales were horrible last year and its hard not to do better. But everyone'ls sales were bad last year and I'm speaking about relative sales and trends compared to others. Their TSX is first in it's class. The RDX and MDX are both third in their class. Sales are good inspite of the problems you mentioned and the two I added. So I think people needs to stop piling on the hate wagon with this company
#1199
AZ Community Team
To me the ES is in the more luxury based and the TL is more sport based, even though both are FWD they are different in their appeal. That is the reason Lexus introduced the IS to also appeal to the sport entry-luxury market dominated by the 3-series.
#1200
Go Big Blue!
Agree. I was about to say the same thing when you posted you're comment. It seems because of styling and advertising the ES is driven mostly by 40+ women. The Tl I have noticed is appealing to men in their 20s and 30s. These cars are not really fighting for the same customers.