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#1561
Senior Moderator
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._s4/index.html
The TL did far better than I would have imagined; it was actually rated higher than the S4 in handling and steering. I don't agree with most of what SSFTSX has been saying, but there is some truth in his comments about the S4/TL comparison.
The TL did far better than I would have imagined; it was actually rated higher than the S4 in handling and steering. I don't agree with most of what SSFTSX has been saying, but there is some truth in his comments about the S4/TL comparison.
#1562
Senior Moderator
I did a quick search in the 4g forum, i had quite a few threads come up about warped brakes.
#1563
I've read that the TSX has had even worse issues with pre-mature brake/rotor wear/problems.
#1564
Senior Moderator
Luckily for me, I've had two 3G TLs both of which have had no brake or rotor issues what so ever, but I have seen threads on both the 3G and 4G discussions of people having issues.
I've read that the TSX has had even worse issues with pre-mature brake/rotor wear/problems.
I've read that the TSX has had even worse issues with pre-mature brake/rotor wear/problems.
#1565
The sizzle in the Steak
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#1566
Senior Moderator
#1567
My first Avatar....
#1568
Interestingly, none of our 3 Integra GS-Rs, 4 S2000s or RSX have ever had warped rotors. Also never had a transmission fail (though I've never owned a slushbox). However, my current TSX is exhibiting some shudder under braking so I'm guessing I've stared to develop some warping. Only a few months left on the lease so I think I can live with it.
#1569
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Ive not noticed the warped rotors in many of the smaller cars (Civic, Integra), but the Accord/Pilots/Odysseys/CLs/TLs are notorious for it.
#1570
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Our Civic, 2G Odyssey and 3G TL never had any brake issues. My Integra developed one slightly warped disc in the first couple of months after purchase; the dealer machined it and it had no further brake issues thereafter.
#1572
I'm the Firestarter
I had brake issues on both my Accord and TSX.
#1575
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Audi Q7 Ground Clearance: 8.1"
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Audi-Q7-2010/specs/
Acura ZDX Ground Clearance: 6.5"
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Acura-ZDX-2010/specs/
Clearly, less is more
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#1576
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yawn.... is it me or the more desperate South San Francisco TSX gets with outlandish posts the more boring this becomes?
It was definitely better when he would just post some off the wall shit we'd come back prove him wrong and move to the next thing to argue about. It's just not as fun anymore.
It was definitely better when he would just post some off the wall shit we'd come back prove him wrong and move to the next thing to argue about. It's just not as fun anymore.
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#1577
How deep do you go up your ass to pull out such outlandish comments?
Audi Q7 Ground Clearance: 8.1"
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Audi-Q7-2010/specs/
Acura ZDX Ground Clearance: 6.5"
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Acura-ZDX-2010/specs/
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Audi Q7 Ground Clearance: 8.1"
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Audi-Q7-2010/specs/
Acura ZDX Ground Clearance: 6.5"
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Acura-ZDX-2010/specs/
Clearly, less is more
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Q5 uses 18inch standard with larger section. ZDX has more space for rising the height.
ZDX has high ground clearance even if you looked by our own naked eyes.
These very tall and wide tires with still large wheel well left Not tires of a coupe. as coupe is never going to use 50 section on 19inch.
![](https://image.motortrend.com/f/26346682+w750/2010-acura-ZDX-driver-side-view-in-motion.jpg)
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#1579
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lol
#1580
My first Avatar....
#1581
Safety Car
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August car sales dipped a bit against last year’s Cash for Clunkers and things slowed down on the Movers and Losers list, too. The average number of days it took to sell a new car was 57.8, up from 56 in July. That’s far better than the number of 82 days it took in August 2009.
In an odd bit of hybrid irony, Honda’s new CR-Z hybrid topped the Movers list, while the 2010 Honda Insight hybrid took 95 days to sell, making it one of our picks for consumers looking for deals on slow-selling models.
On the Losers list, the Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback retained the top spot and 5 other cars also remain from July's Losers list. The lists and our methodology are listed below.
Movers
* 2011 Honda CR-Z: 5 days
* 2011 Chevy Equinox: 6 days
* 2011 Ford Fusion: 6 days
* 2011 GMC Terrain: 6 days
* 2011 Land Rover Range Rover Sport: 7 days
* 2011 Infiniti QX56: 8 days
* 2011 Mercedes-Benz C300: 8 days
* 2011 Toyota Tacoma: 8 days
* 2011 Audi A5 coupe: 9 days
* 2011 Cadillac SRX: 9 days
* 2011 Ford Escape: 9 days
* 2011 VW Jetta SportWagen: 9 days
Losers
* 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback: 207 days
* 2010 Scion xD: 189 days
* 2010 Suzuki SX4 Sportback: 188 days
* 2010 Ford Transit Connect: 161 days
* 2010 Mazda RX-8: 152 days
* 2010 Mercury Mariner Hybrid: 145 days
* 2010 Lexus HS 250h: 129 days
* 2010 Mazda MX-5: 117 days
* 2010 Kia Optima: 107 days
* 2010 Acura RL: 106 days
* 2011 Honda CR-Z: 5 days
* 2011 Chevy Equinox: 6 days
* 2011 Ford Fusion: 6 days
* 2011 GMC Terrain: 6 days
* 2011 Land Rover Range Rover Sport: 7 days
* 2011 Infiniti QX56: 8 days
* 2011 Mercedes-Benz C300: 8 days
* 2011 Toyota Tacoma: 8 days
* 2011 Audi A5 coupe: 9 days
* 2011 Cadillac SRX: 9 days
* 2011 Ford Escape: 9 days
* 2011 VW Jetta SportWagen: 9 days
Losers
* 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback: 207 days
* 2010 Scion xD: 189 days
* 2010 Suzuki SX4 Sportback: 188 days
* 2010 Ford Transit Connect: 161 days
* 2010 Mazda RX-8: 152 days
* 2010 Mercury Mariner Hybrid: 145 days
* 2010 Lexus HS 250h: 129 days
* 2010 Mazda MX-5: 117 days
* 2010 Kia Optima: 107 days
* 2010 Acura RL: 106 days
#1582
who the hell is snapping up those ugly Infiniti QX's?!
i saw one on the road, the thing is ginormous...and ugly
i saw one on the road, the thing is ginormous...and ugly
#1583
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The QX is a freaking tank, I didn't like the way the previous gen looked either
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#1585
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Audi-Q5-2010/specs/
Q5 has 7.9 inches
I thought I would post this since its so important to Monthly Car Sales
Q5 has 7.9 inches
I thought I would post this since its so important to Monthly Car Sales
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
#1586
Whats up with RDX owners?
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this is just one of criteria. ZDX has similar ground clearance.
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
I really feel bad for whomever asks you about car buying choices.
#1587
Ingoring the idiot that is SSFTSX and getting back on topic, I noticed the Kizashi has been a failure month after month.
Camry 30,764
Accord 25,148
Sonata 21,399
Altima 18,491
Malibu 18,182
Fusion 17,082
Sebring 4,498
Impreza 3,801
Mazda6 2,811
Optima 1,714
Passat 1,669
Kizashi 478
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Too small and not from a brand that many buyers can think of.
Camry 30,764
Accord 25,148
Sonata 21,399
Altima 18,491
Malibu 18,182
Fusion 17,082
Sebring 4,498
Impreza 3,801
Mazda6 2,811
Optima 1,714
Passat 1,669
Kizashi 478
Courtesy of TSX69
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Too small and not from a brand that many buyers can think of.
#1588
Senior Moderator
this is just one of criteria. ZDX has similar ground clearance.
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
None of this has anything to do with monthly sales. Take those posts to the ZDX thread.
#1589
My first Avatar....
Ingoring the idiot that is SSFTSX and getting back on topic, I noticed the Kizashi has been a failure month after month.
Camry 30,764
Accord 25,148
Sonata 21,399
Altima 18,491
Malibu 18,182
Fusion 17,082
Sebring 4,498
Impreza 3,801
Mazda6 2,811
Optima 1,714
Passat 1,669
Kizashi 478
Courtesy of TSX69![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Too small and not from a brand that many buyers can think of.
Camry 30,764
Accord 25,148
Sonata 21,399
Altima 18,491
Malibu 18,182
Fusion 17,082
Sebring 4,498
Impreza 3,801
Mazda6 2,811
Optima 1,714
Passat 1,669
Kizashi 478
Courtesy of TSX69
![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Too small and not from a brand that many buyers can think of.
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#1590
this is just one of criteria. ZDX has similar ground clearance.
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
The following are important features for offroad ability,
lighter weight. power to weight ratio. not as heavy as LX/QX. too much weight
Approach and departure angle. ZDX has larger overhangs than Q5/X5 but overhangs curve upwards so dont effect the capability.
Short wheel base (look at historic Jeep) and tight turning circle. Short wheel base with oversize 19inch standard rubber add the most to offroad ability along with large wheel wells for individual wheel movement.
Q5/X5 both has larger wheel bases for standard tire size. They need 20inch to be comparable to ZDX 19inch. and that adds to weight and hindered individual wheel movement on wheel wells on extreme rocks.
sophistication of AWD system to balance power-torque distribution is more important in snow/desert
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#1591
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Concept:
![](https://www.thetorquereport.com/suzuki_kizashi_3_concept.jpg)
![](http://www.cars-bikes.info/d/3525-2/suzuki-kizashi-3-concept-005.jpg)
What we get:
![](http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2010-suzuki-kizashi.jpg)
Last edited by civicdrivr; 09-11-2010 at 06:59 PM.
#1593
Senior Moderator
#1594
and instead they dangled a carrot in front of us and replaced it with
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#1595
There's a lot more to it than crash and safety ratings. You still have to be able to mass produce the car. This means that your dies and tooling need to be able to stamp the sheet metal and have it release from the mold properly. The sharper the creases, the thinner than metal gets at the bending point. This makes stamping many "show cars" difficult if not impossible on a mass production basis
#1596
Senior Moderator
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But I'll bet on one thing: The quality of the 2G QX shouldn't be as bad as the first seeing as the new one is now based off the Nissan Patrol and is produced in Japan (as opposed to the Armada being produced in Canton, Mississippi).
#1597
Senior Moderator
August car sales dipped a bit against last year’s Cash for Clunkers and things slowed down on the Movers and Losers list, too. The average number of days it took to sell a new car was 57.8, up from 56 in July. That’s far better than the number of 82 days it took in August 2009.
In an odd bit of hybrid irony, Honda’s new CR-Z hybrid topped the Movers list, while the 2010 Honda Insight hybrid took 95 days to sell, making it one of our picks for consumers looking for deals on slow-selling models.
On the Losers list, the Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback retained the top spot and 5 other cars also remain from July's Losers list. The lists and our methodology are listed below.
Movers
* 2011 Honda CR-Z: 5 days
* 2011 Chevy Equinox: 6 days
* 2011 Ford Fusion: 6 days
* 2011 GMC Terrain: 6 days
* 2011 Land Rover Range Rover Sport: 7 days
* 2011 Infiniti QX56: 8 days
* 2011 Mercedes-Benz C300: 8 days
* 2011 Toyota Tacoma: 8 days
* 2011 Audi A5 coupe: 9 days
* 2011 Cadillac SRX: 9 days
* 2011 Ford Escape: 9 days
* 2011 VW Jetta SportWagen: 9 days
Losers
* 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback: 207 days
* 2010 Scion xD: 189 days
* 2010 Suzuki SX4 Sportback: 188 days
* 2010 Ford Transit Connect: 161 days
* 2010 Mazda RX-8: 152 days
* 2010 Mercury Mariner Hybrid: 145 days
* 2010 Lexus HS 250h: 129 days
* 2010 Mazda MX-5: 117 days
* 2010 Kia Optima: 107 days
* 2010 Acura RL: 106 days
* 2011 Honda CR-Z: 5 days
* 2011 Chevy Equinox: 6 days
* 2011 Ford Fusion: 6 days
* 2011 GMC Terrain: 6 days
* 2011 Land Rover Range Rover Sport: 7 days
* 2011 Infiniti QX56: 8 days
* 2011 Mercedes-Benz C300: 8 days
* 2011 Toyota Tacoma: 8 days
* 2011 Audi A5 coupe: 9 days
* 2011 Cadillac SRX: 9 days
* 2011 Ford Escape: 9 days
* 2011 VW Jetta SportWagen: 9 days
Losers
* 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback: 207 days
* 2010 Scion xD: 189 days
* 2010 Suzuki SX4 Sportback: 188 days
* 2010 Ford Transit Connect: 161 days
* 2010 Mazda RX-8: 152 days
* 2010 Mercury Mariner Hybrid: 145 days
* 2010 Lexus HS 250h: 129 days
* 2010 Mazda MX-5: 117 days
* 2010 Kia Optima: 107 days
* 2010 Acura RL: 106 days
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#1598
AZ Community Team
There's a lot more to it than crash and safety ratings. You still have to be able to mass produce the car. This means that your dies and tooling need to be able to stamp the sheet metal and have it release from the mold properly. The sharper the creases, the thinner than metal gets at the bending point. This makes stamping many "show cars" difficult if not impossible on a mass production basis
#1599
My first Avatar....
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#1600
Race Director
Because the production line doesn't get a say in the design. Produce-ability is an afterthought. A lot of the changes in concept to production are in the front and rear fascias that don't have the limitations of metal. It's not that the concept can't be produced, it's probably just too expensive to do so.