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09-05-2010, 01:53 PM
#1521
You dont have full understanding of issue. Cooled seats or sunshade dont make a premium car. there is difference between word Premium and Luxury. even mainstream brands can have luxury features but it dont make them Premium cars. 528I is certainly not luxury car but it is premium.
ZDX has cooled seats and its not the feature that make it higher tier than TL.
It is quality of dash and IDS. (integrated dynamic system). it is Acura equivalent of Audi drive select. Rest of the stuff like blind spot monitoring/ACC is pretty common. Even EuroAccord has those features outside US but EuroAccord dont have IDS.
TL handling, NVH, breaking, performance, interior and exterior design set it apart from maintream vehicles. and it competes well on those features with other midsize premium vehicles.
ZDX has cooled seats and its not the feature that make it higher tier than TL.
It is quality of dash and IDS. (integrated dynamic system). it is Acura equivalent of Audi drive select. Rest of the stuff like blind spot monitoring/ACC is pretty common. Even EuroAccord has those features outside US but EuroAccord dont have IDS.
TL handling, NVH, breaking, performance, interior and exterior design set it apart from maintream vehicles. and it competes well on those features with other midsize premium vehicles.
09-05-2010, 03:11 PM
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But TL is BEST CAR IN WORLD!!!!
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It is blind loyalty. TL has lost almost all of its comparision tests. but it does not mean i cannot point the exclusive things of TL.
Why blind loyalty? Do you get a free car at the end of the year?
09-05-2010, 04:21 PM
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THere is now greater chance of getting cooled seats in MDX/ZDX/RL than on other premium brands. It has no relevance to whether car is premium or not.
i would say car without AWD/Sport differential is not premium.
i would go even further car without Drive select (Now on new A8) or IDS like in ZDX is not premium because it is essentailly two cars in one. Only premium cars can have this dual personality.
the list is too long for what is premium and what is not based on feature. you have to stop counting features at some point and concentrate on actual vehicle.
09-05-2010, 05:26 PM
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For those of you tired of reading SSFTSX's fanboy dreck, may I point you to the ignore feature. I've been using it for months now and my headaches are gone! 
09-05-2010, 06:30 PM
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The S4 does not compare to the TL, and they never did.
Also, please start using proper sentence structure and grammar.
Your excuses are cowardly. I looked at the 0-100 times, did you?
You are so LAUGHABLY CLUELESS when it comes to cars. Have you ever changed the oil in your Honda Ac, I mean TSX?
Once you have, you'll see how fucktarded you sound (not that you've ever sounded anything short of that).
Source that fanatical statement.
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09-05-2010, 06:36 PM
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On a weekend I'd prefer to have a discussion with someone who may share a different opinion then my own, not someone hell bent on nothing and talking out their ass.
09-05-2010, 06:38 PM
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LoL how is SSFTSX blindly loyal to HondAcura when he was so against them last year? He drank the fucking Honda kool aid or something? What color pill did they give you when you bought your TSX?
09-05-2010, 06:46 PM
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Unless you can show me any comparision test of S4 with ES350/Maxima.
Shut the fuck up with your bullshit facts and speculation. Start issuing facts, not 15 year old magazine-racer comments. One inch of wheels will not affect acceleration on this scale.
Have u looked at 0-100mph times for 2010 MDX?. It blew past 09 MDX.
TL is now acknowledged leader and does not look bad with 18inch
http://www.autonet.ca/autos/news/201...6-autonet.html
Acura 'awesome' wheels soldiers on
In the initial tests on the track, the car exceeded our expectations,” said team manager Major General (Retired) Lewis MacKenzie (himself a former racecar driver) after the first test at Calabogie Motorsport Park, near Ottawa. “What was most impressive for our crew was the car’s ability to recover in a corner at speeds that might otherwise have put the car off the road.” “It was awesome!” added Knisley
Acura 'awesome' wheels soldiers on
In the initial tests on the track, the car exceeded our expectations,” said team manager Major General (Retired) Lewis MacKenzie (himself a former racecar driver) after the first test at Calabogie Motorsport Park, near Ottawa. “What was most impressive for our crew was the car’s ability to recover in a corner at speeds that might otherwise have put the car off the road.” “It was awesome!” added Knisley
09-05-2010, 06:58 PM
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What is the TL the leader of? You're doing a disservice to the people who own this car!
09-05-2010, 07:20 PM
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I don't care if a few magazines compared it. That means nothing to people other than fools who soak it up such as yourself. PERIOD, buddy.
As is the norm, you take the grain of truth and blow it out of proportion. So as I said, cut it the fuck out (blowing facts out of proportion). You CANNOT prove it makes that much of a difference, so it's hearsay. This is a fact, I remind you.
Even what? Finish a sentence correctly once in a while. There's not even a subject there.
It's quicker, and no one said otherwise. It is not a second quicker to 60 as you implied.
It's got more to do with gearing in anything up to 100 mph, PERIOD. Away with any hearsay you'll speak in response.
No it is not a leader at almost any, and no one says it's a leader in anything. It's not even a leader in value.
Every single thing you said here was a lie. And where's my 90% source? Oh that's right, you spewed a huge mound of tick turd and can't back it up! Where's my topic on how the 997 reference wasn't valid and how they're different? Oh that's right, more bull.
Stop posting motherfucking pictures of cars. WE KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
09-05-2010, 08:09 PM
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So? No one said they were. The TL competes in that category, not against the S4 that is more expensive and smaller. PERIOD.
I don't care if a few magazines compared it. That means nothing to people other than fools who soak it up such as yourself. PERIOD, buddy.
I don't care if a few magazines compared it. That means nothing to people other than fools who soak it up such as yourself. PERIOD, buddy.
It's quicker, and no one said otherwise. It is not a second quicker to 60 as you implied.
It's got more to do with gearing in anything up to 100 mph, PERIOD. Away with any hearsay you'll speak in response.
It's got more to do with gearing in anything up to 100 mph, PERIOD. Away with any hearsay you'll speak in response.
0-120mph. the gap is even more. the higher the speed the better is 6AT. Gap almost is 3 second.
No it is not a leader at almost any, and no one says it's a leader in anything. It's not even a leader in value.
Every single thing you said here was a lie. And where's my 90% source? Oh that's right, you spewed a huge mound of tick turd and can't back it up! Where's my topic on how the 997 reference wasn't valid and how they're different? Oh that's right, more bull.
Stop posting motherfucking pictures of cars. WE KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
do used car search for Premium cars on Autotrader and see how many you can find with Cooled seats. Agains the key word is Premium.
I found less than 10 in over 100 entries.
whats the point of V8 when it fails the critical test of comfort for large luxury sedan.
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2011-i...ml?tag=rvwBody
With its conventional suspension system, there is no way to change the ride quality for different driving conditions. As such, its firmness became evident as we drove over rougher surfaces. This is one area where the M56x doesn't quite measure up to the luxury competition, as it didn't mask out bumps and pits in the road as well as it should
With its conventional suspension system, there is no way to change the ride quality for different driving conditions. As such, its firmness became evident as we drove over rougher surfaces. This is one area where the M56x doesn't quite measure up to the luxury competition, as it didn't mask out bumps and pits in the road as well as it should
09-05-2010, 08:28 PM
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You still are wrong, and it continues the proof that you know jack shit about anything concerning acceleration. Sorry, it's just the way it is.
Absolute GARBAGE and lies you spew. Fucking ridiculous comments. They're funny, but ridiculous. Back your comments up with facts, don't just "SAY". You have ZERO credability and no one believes you.
Fail.
Plenty of V8 cars are more comfortable. Fail.
09-05-2010, 08:50 PM
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09-05-2010, 08:51 PM
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90% of BMW/Audi/MB on the roads dont have Cooled seats. so they are not premium based on ur logic.
THere is now greater chance of getting cooled seats in MDX/ZDX/RL than on other premium brands. It has no relevance to whether car is premium or not.
i would say car without AWD/Sport differential is not premium.
i would go even further car without Drive select (Now on new A8) or IDS like in ZDX is not premium because it is essentailly two cars in one. Only premium cars can have this dual personality.
the list is too long for what is premium and what is not based on feature. you have to stop counting features at some point and concentrate on actual vehicle.
THere is now greater chance of getting cooled seats in MDX/ZDX/RL than on other premium brands. It has no relevance to whether car is premium or not.
i would say car without AWD/Sport differential is not premium.
i would go even further car without Drive select (Now on new A8) or IDS like in ZDX is not premium because it is essentailly two cars in one. Only premium cars can have this dual personality.
the list is too long for what is premium and what is not based on feature. you have to stop counting features at some point and concentrate on actual vehicle.
The list is too long for what is premium and what is not based on AWD/Sport differentials. you have to stop counting drivetrain (FWD, RWD, AWD) at some point and concentrate on actual vehicle features!
09-05-2010, 08:53 PM
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I did have him on ignore for awhile but I actually enjoy reading his incoherent Honda/Acura psychobabble. I've been thru too much stuff medically lately and his posts always put a smile on my face and make me laugh! Laughter is the best medicine!
09-05-2010, 08:57 PM
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TL FWD competes with luxury cruisers, where it fails (ES/Maxima/Avalon/Gen)
TL SHAWD competes with Sport sedans, where it does good (335xi, S4, G37x, C-Class etc)
TL SHAWD competes with Sport sedans, where it does good (335xi, S4, G37x, C-Class etc)
09-05-2010, 09:00 PM
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I blame you for dragging me into this. 
You know I can't be trusted with idiots when left to my own devices.
Yes.
You know I can't be trusted with idiots when left to my own devices.
Yes.
09-05-2010, 09:01 PM
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I dont think you can call a Maxima a "premium" car. Simply because its not from a "premium" brand. It blasts the TL (and alot of other cars) in feature content, but at the end of the day theres still a Nissan Logo on the front
09-05-2010, 09:04 PM
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09-05-2010, 09:06 PM
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It's interior is pretty comparable to the TL in luxury though. After all the CC is on the same level as the TL to me, or the Phaeton to the LS460/600.
09-05-2010, 09:06 PM
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This guy is living in an Acura wet dream.
09-05-2010, 09:09 PM
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09-05-2010, 09:10 PM
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09-05-2010, 09:26 PM
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Few Magazines? TL is participating in almost every test where S4 is participating.
TL has best handling, breaking, resale value, NVH for 6MT high rpm drive, Top ELS music system based on Edmund, high ground clearance, lowest price, better fit/finish, long term reliability, lowest maintainane costs.
TL has best handling, breaking, resale value, NVH for 6MT high rpm drive, Top ELS music system based on Edmund, high ground clearance, lowest price, better fit/finish, long term reliability, lowest maintainane costs.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
09-05-2010, 09:30 PM
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Man you are clueless. The TL was compared against the A4, G37, and 3-Series in a C&D comparison tests. It has the poorest handling, brake feel, ride quality, steering feel and came in last place for the test. By the way, the BASE Audi was ranked better for fit/finish then TL.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
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09-05-2010, 09:34 PM
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Premium Sedan < Entry Level Luxury Sedan < Luxury Sedan < Premier/Super Luxury Sedan
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09-05-2010, 09:49 PM
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^ sounds like a reasonable way to categorize them.
09-05-2010, 10:23 PM
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Well thank you! Like I said though, that is just how I try to classify the sedans. Others agree with me while others consider premium = entry level lux sedan while others don't. Its not like its a universally accepted classification scheme.
I just can't stand when people use the term near luxury. Its either luxury or its not. There is no in between luxury. Hell that even sounds funny/fishy when I say it.
I just can't stand when people use the term near luxury. Its either luxury or its not. There is no in between luxury. Hell that even sounds funny/fishy when I say it.
09-06-2010, 04:08 AM
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Maxima moved upmarket in 04 (rite after the Altima V6 came out). It had most of the features as the 7th gen and even back then it boasted more features than the TL (not to mention more torque 
). I should know, I owned an 04 for a while. 
But anyways, I think the line between luxury cars and premium sedans is thinning out. The new Max even offers more features than its premium brand Infiniti G37...
). I should know, I owned an 04 for a while. But anyways, I think the line between luxury cars and premium sedans is thinning out. The new Max even offers more features than its premium brand Infiniti G37...
09-06-2010, 03:04 PM
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Man you are clueless. The TL was compared against the A4, G37, and 3-Series in a C&D comparison tests. It has the poorest handling, brake feel, ride quality, steering feel and came in last place for the test. By the way, the Audi was ranked better for fit/finish then TL.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
There is no ifs and butts left. 6MT TL is Legend that no other car in its class can match it.
If objectively analyze the C&D points. TL got highest point for rear space, second best engine NVH. (BMW is using the same engine in 5 series).
So key objective of luxury like NVH TL is still above Infiniti & Audi and second only to BMW.
So TL meets the definition of Luxury mid size sedan. Its fit & finish is equal to BMW. remember Fit & finish does not mean extra leather or tech.
5 speed Auto TL got equal points to Audi/Infiniti newer transmission. how many points do u think TL will get if it was 6MT TL comparision?
09-06-2010, 03:10 PM
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Actually both R&T and AutomobileMag compared TL-SHAWD 6MT to S4. So it is two magazines. See my above posts of test track.
There is no ifs and butts left. 6MT TL is Legend that no other car in its class can match it.
If objectively analyze the C&D points. TL got highest point for rear space, second best engine NVH. (BMW is using the same engine in 5 series).
So key objective of luxury like NVH TL is still above Infiniti & Audi and second only to BMW.
So TL meets the definition of Luxury mid size sedan. Its fit & finish is equal to BMW. remember Fit & finish does not mean extra leather or tech.
5 speed Auto TL got equal points to Audi/Infiniti newer transmission. how many points do u think TL will get if it was 6MT TL comparision?
There is no ifs and butts left. 6MT TL is Legend that no other car in its class can match it.
If objectively analyze the C&D points. TL got highest point for rear space, second best engine NVH. (BMW is using the same engine in 5 series).
So key objective of luxury like NVH TL is still above Infiniti & Audi and second only to BMW.
So TL meets the definition of Luxury mid size sedan. Its fit & finish is equal to BMW. remember Fit & finish does not mean extra leather or tech.
5 speed Auto TL got equal points to Audi/Infiniti newer transmission. how many points do u think TL will get if it was 6MT TL comparision?
09-06-2010, 03:28 PM
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The new Maxima has definitely moved into the premium sedan category. I should know, I have one, but the terminology is what typically is in question. Me and many others call it premium sedan, others consider that category to be entry-level luxury sedan but I don't I see them as the same and keep them separate, mainly not b/c of the car, but b/c of the brand image and stealership and headquarters experience with service and customer service. Cars like the Genesis, Maxima, Avalon, Taurus, LaCrosse, etc would be in the premium sedan category. G37, IS, TSX, TL, ES350, A4, 3-Series, CTS, and C-Class in the entry level luxury sedan category. That is the best way I try to differentiate the two categories.
Premium Sedan < Entry Level Luxury Sedan < Luxury Sedan < Premier/Super Luxury Sedan
Premium Sedan < Entry Level Luxury Sedan < Luxury Sedan < Premier/Super Luxury Sedan
You can load S4 upto $65K. 335/M3 well above $60k. There is V8 in M3.
Both of them will be priced higher than regular A6/535.
A car becomes Premium when it gives you less features for price point. If it gives you more than at fair value. It means its main stream sedan.
I consider BMW 335 and BMW 535 equal as BMW 535 is larger car. so it is more expensive to start. $9000 difference is due to size and more expensive Mutlilink double wish bone Front suspension in 5 series. 3 series uses strut setup. 5 series has 10 way adjustable seats standard, standard HDD music, standard 18inch vs 17inch. All those goodies can possible add up to $9k starting difference.
when you click Acura TL SH-AWD comparision. They only list Audi/BMW/Lexus. There is no Infiniti and MB or any down market brand.
09-06-2010, 03:41 PM
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09-06-2010, 04:43 PM
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I'm so tempted to put him on mute, but it's just entertaining. I bet you him and his buddies are laughing at us getting all worked up because they all know it's a bunch of nonsense they are posting.
09-06-2010, 05:14 PM
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There is no such thing as Entry level. It is premium and non premium
You can load S4 upto $65K. 335/M3 well above $60k. There is V8 in M3.
Both of them will be priced higher than regular A6/535.
A car becomes Premium when it gives you less features for price point. If it gives you more than at fair value. It means its main stream sedan.
I consider BMW 335 and BMW 535 equal as BMW 535 is larger car. so it is more expensive to start. $9000 difference is due to size and more expensive Mutlilink double wish bone Front suspension in 5 series. 3 series uses strut setup. 5 series has 10 way adjustable seats standard, standard HDD music, standard 18inch vs 17inch. All those goodies can possible add up to $9k starting difference.
when you click Acura TL SH-AWD comparision. They only list Audi/BMW/Lexus. There is no Infiniti and MB or any down market brand.
You can load S4 upto $65K. 335/M3 well above $60k. There is V8 in M3.
Both of them will be priced higher than regular A6/535.
A car becomes Premium when it gives you less features for price point. If it gives you more than at fair value. It means its main stream sedan.
I consider BMW 335 and BMW 535 equal as BMW 535 is larger car. so it is more expensive to start. $9000 difference is due to size and more expensive Mutlilink double wish bone Front suspension in 5 series. 3 series uses strut setup. 5 series has 10 way adjustable seats standard, standard HDD music, standard 18inch vs 17inch. All those goodies can possible add up to $9k starting difference.
when you click Acura TL SH-AWD comparision. They only list Audi/BMW/Lexus. There is no Infiniti and MB or any down market brand.
09-06-2010, 05:58 PM
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There is no such thing as Entry level. It is premium and non premium
You can load S4 upto $65K. 335/M3 well above $60k. There is V8 in M3.
Both of them will be priced higher than regular A6/535.
A car becomes Premium when it gives you less features for price point. If it gives you more than at fair value. It means its main stream sedan.
I consider BMW 335 and BMW 535 equal as BMW 535 is larger car. so it is more expensive to start. $9000 difference is due to size and more expensive Mutlilink double wish bone Front suspension in 5 series. 3 series uses strut setup. 5 series has 10 way adjustable seats standard, standard HDD music, standard 18inch vs 17inch. All those goodies can possible add up to $9k starting difference.
when you click Acura TL SH-AWD comparision. They only list Audi/BMW/Lexus. There is no Infiniti and MB or any down market brand.
You can load S4 upto $65K. 335/M3 well above $60k. There is V8 in M3.
Both of them will be priced higher than regular A6/535.
A car becomes Premium when it gives you less features for price point. If it gives you more than at fair value. It means its main stream sedan.
I consider BMW 335 and BMW 535 equal as BMW 535 is larger car. so it is more expensive to start. $9000 difference is due to size and more expensive Mutlilink double wish bone Front suspension in 5 series. 3 series uses strut setup. 5 series has 10 way adjustable seats standard, standard HDD music, standard 18inch vs 17inch. All those goodies can possible add up to $9k starting difference.
when you click Acura TL SH-AWD comparision. They only list Audi/BMW/Lexus. There is no Infiniti and MB or any down market brand.
09-06-2010, 06:27 PM
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Man you are clueless. The TL was compared against the A4, G37, and 3-Series in a C&D comparison tests. It has the poorest handling, brake feel, ride quality, steering feel and came in last place for the test. By the way, the Audi was ranked better for fit/finish then TL.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...38d65f1123.pdf
I've found only 1 test so far where the TL was compared with the S4 and that was done by Road and Track and in that comparison all they did was talk about each vehicle and didn't give any in-depth comparison numbers and rankings like the C&D comparison test did.
The TL did far better than I would have imagined; it was actually rated higher than the S4 in handling and steering. I don't agree with most of what SSFTSX has been saying, but there is some truth in his comments about the S4/TL comparison.
