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#1921
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Looks are subjective, no?
Only when a vast majority considers something ugly do we consider it ugly.
Infiniti isnt my first choice in cars, but its nowhere near as boring as Lexus or as deformed as Acura.
Only when a vast majority considers something ugly do we consider it ugly.
Infiniti isnt my first choice in cars, but its nowhere near as boring as Lexus or as deformed as Acura.
#1922
Burning Brakes
My comment was related to the Canadian sales. Since Acura outsold Lexus and Infiniti this month does that mean we prefer ugly, deformed cars
#1923
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Probably.
#1924
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While we love our 09 MDX, it was NOT our first choice as we wanted an 09 Murano SL AWD (leather, non-Navi). It was only the fact that Acura was able to match Nissan's price with a base MDX (coupled with 7-seater prospects) that swayed us to Acura.
As far as Acura sedans go, we're still considering whether or not to go the TSX V6 route as a second car. It's not as sweet looking as an IS or G but, it looks respectable. (As much as I'd like to consider it, the TL's styling just has NOT grown on me so, IMHO this is one instance where looks are not subjective... 'cause it's just plain UGLY!)
#1925
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So when you think of Acura you think of nicely styled cars? When I think of Acura from the 3G TLs run I do. Not anymore.
They are reliable, well built, safe and hold their value. Most don't consider them attractive vehicles anymore.
They are reliable, well built, safe and hold their value. Most don't consider them attractive vehicles anymore.
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#1927
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Agreed, I'm pretty surprised myself to see this much. There actually has been a few posts on this whole thread claiming Hyundai/Kia will outsell Honda/Acura soon, which implies they will also outsell Nissan/Infiniti.
Hyundai/Kia will never outsell Honda/Acura or Nissan/Infiniti. Well to be not bias, not anytime soon anyways. People say they make better cars than Toyota, Honda or Nissan, but I don't see anyone will be willing to pass up a Camry, Accord or Altima for a Sonata. I'll admit present Hyundai is better than past Hyundai, but they are NOT better than Toyota, Honda or Nissan at the moment. Maybe Hyundai will be on their level in a few years.
Hyundai/Kia will never outsell Honda/Acura or Nissan/Infiniti. Well to be not bias, not anytime soon anyways. People say they make better cars than Toyota, Honda or Nissan, but I don't see anyone will be willing to pass up a Camry, Accord or Altima for a Sonata. I'll admit present Hyundai is better than past Hyundai, but they are NOT better than Toyota, Honda or Nissan at the moment. Maybe Hyundai will be on their level in a few years.
#1928
Hyundai/Kia will never outsell Honda/Acura or Nissan/Infiniti. Well to be not bias, not anytime soon anyways. People say they make better cars than Toyota, Honda or Nissan, but I don't see anyone will be willing to pass up a Camry, Accord or Altima for a Sonata. I'll admit present Hyundai is better than past Hyundai, but they are NOT better than Toyota, Honda or Nissan at the moment. Maybe Hyundai will be on their level in a few years.
It is true that a certain percentage of people will be swayed by "lower" brands promise of more features for less money, others will still go with the established car. In Hyundai Sonata's case, it would be the Accord, in Acura's case it would be a 3 series. IMO, it's the same battle at a different price point. (honestly, despite the relative success of the Infiniti G, it faces a similar battle vs. the 3 series, maybe more so, since they're attacking head on with RWD)
#1929
Hyundai and Acura face a similar challenge. When they reach a certain price point, many buyers say to themselves, "if I'm going to pay that much for [insert car], I might as well buy [insert competitor of higher prestige]"
It is true that a certain percentage of people will be swayed by "lower" brands promise of more features for less money, others will still go with the established car. In Hyundai Sonata's case, it would be the Accord, in Acura's case it would be a 3 series. IMO, it's the same battle at a different price point. (honestly, despite the relative success of the Infiniti G, it faces a similar battle vs. the 3 series, maybe more so, since they're attacking head on with RWD)
It is true that a certain percentage of people will be swayed by "lower" brands promise of more features for less money, others will still go with the established car. In Hyundai Sonata's case, it would be the Accord, in Acura's case it would be a 3 series. IMO, it's the same battle at a different price point. (honestly, despite the relative success of the Infiniti G, it faces a similar battle vs. the 3 series, maybe more so, since they're attacking head on with RWD)
This is why when the Genesis came out, a few people started speculating that Hyundai would branch off as a luxury brand, either by distancing itself more from Kia or starting off an entirely new brand beginning with the Genesis.
I don't know how either one of them will do it, especially Hyundai. They seem serious about moving upmarket, as seen with their new Azera and the upcoming Equus, but they have much bigger hurdles than Acura, Lexus or Infiniti did. The aforementioned 3 basically came out of nowhere, which can be a good and bad thing, but the difference there is Hyundai has to overcome to perspective of some of an econobox brand and even then, a mediocre one. Sadly, there are some that still think that way.
#1930
Your method is about as accurate as throwing darts.
And oh, the higher volume Hyundai dealers not only get bigger alottments of Sonatas, but they sell 40-60 Sonatas monthly.
Hyundai/Kia will never outsell Honda/Acura or Nissan/Infiniti. Well to be not bias, not anytime soon anyways. People say they make better cars than Toyota, Honda or Nissan, but I don't see anyone will be willing to pass up a Camry, Accord or Altima for a Sonata. I'll admit present Hyundai is better than past Hyundai, but they are NOT better than Toyota, Honda or Nissan at the moment. Maybe Hyundai will be on their level in a few years.
Yeah, the US is a diff. market, but did you even bother to look at the sales figure before posting?
You willing to bet on that? I bet you won't, because Hyundai/Kia overtaking both Nissan/Infiniti and Honda in the next year is like placing a big bet on a game of 21 with a cold deck. Bottom line, Hyundai/Kia won't overtake Nissan/Infiniti or Honda/Acura by next year, but if you want to believe in that nonsense, go ahead.
YTD, Hyundai/Kia are about 42K units behind Nissan + Infiniti (take out Infiniti and H/K lead by 50K units).
The new Optima, alone, will probably make up that 42K unit lead (the Optima has been avging about 2K a month; the new Optima should do at least 7K, but probably will do more like 9K month which is what the new Sorento is doing).
Add in sales of the new Elantra, Accent, Rio, Azera, Forte 5-door, etc. and H/K should zoom by Nissan/Infiniti.
As I stated, H/K passing Honda in 2011 isn't as likely (being currently about 200K units behind), but could happen in 2012 (or 2013) once Hyundai gets their production issues settled and the last of their new offerings hit the market (new Santa Fe, etc.)
#1931
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That statement is fairly absolute as I'm certain there are MANY folks who will (have have done) just that. However, I'm probably not in that camp as I'm still inclined towards an Accord EX-L V6 or Altima 3.5SE vs the Sonata 2.0T, the latter which I consider more of an alternative to the Mazda6 more than anything.
#1932
Of course then they'll be trying to sell a 5 year old Sonata against the all new Accord. So they could have additional production right when it's the hardest to move them. Deep discounts if they start piling up? Erosion in resale value as a result? Vicious cycle repeats.
#1933
^ Uhh, 2013 will only be the 3rd model year for the Sonata; and while a refresh for the Sonata would be right around the corner, aside from the turbo and hybrid models being in full production, the US market will also likely see a Sonata wagon by that time.
#1934
That statement is fairly absolute as I'm certain there are MANY folks who will (have have done) just that. However, I'm probably not in that camp as I'm still inclined towards an Accord EX-L V6 or Altima 3.5SE vs the Sonata 2.0T, the latter which I consider more of an alternative to the Mazda6 more than anything.
#1935
All I'm saying is that will Hyundai be successful selling a late in cycle product against all new product from the more established brands?
#1936
and if you have only 14k sales (with fleet). so how are other dealers surviving. when avg is 14 car a month. and Sonata is 30% of Total hyundai sales.
This probably largest dealer of Hyundai with 178 Sonata in Inventory. so even 60 sales per month. there is 3 month of supply.
http://www.hardinhyundai.com/Vehicle...w&make=Hyundai
Hmm, Hyundai/Kia already outsell Honda/Acura in Canada and Europe (heck, for most of the year, Hyundai, alone, has outsold Honda in Canada).
You cannot compare Honda prices in EU with Hyundai in EU. Honda priced like Lexus in EU once you load Honda vehicles simlar like Lexus with push button start, pearl paints, leather, sport suspension etc.
I sure will (for Nissan/Infiniti).
YTD, Hyundai/Kia are about 42K units behind Nissan + Infiniti (take out Infiniti and H/K lead by 50K units).
The new Optima, alone, will probably make up that 42K unit lead (the Optima has been avging about 2K a month; the new Optima should do at least 7K, but probably will do more like 9K month which is what the new Sorento is doing).
Add in sales of the new Elantra, Accent, Rio, Azera, Forte 5-door, etc. and H/K should zoom by Nissan/Infiniti.
As I stated, H/K passing Honda in 2011 isn't as likely (being currently about 200K units behind), but could happen in 2012 (or 2013) once Hyundai gets their production issues settled and the last of their new offerings hit the market (new Santa Fe, etc.)
YTD, Hyundai/Kia are about 42K units behind Nissan + Infiniti (take out Infiniti and H/K lead by 50K units).
The new Optima, alone, will probably make up that 42K unit lead (the Optima has been avging about 2K a month; the new Optima should do at least 7K, but probably will do more like 9K month which is what the new Sorento is doing).
Add in sales of the new Elantra, Accent, Rio, Azera, Forte 5-door, etc. and H/K should zoom by Nissan/Infiniti.
As I stated, H/K passing Honda in 2011 isn't as likely (being currently about 200K units behind), but could happen in 2012 (or 2013) once Hyundai gets their production issues settled and the last of their new offerings hit the market (new Santa Fe, etc.)
You dont have a clue of Nissan-Renault-AutoVaz (Enormous Oil and natural resource money is behind it) financial power and cross platform relationship and enormous number of vehicles and technologies that are simultanuous developed world wide.
Infiniti can afford high performance V6 diesel & V6 hybrid in EU but not Hyundai.
In 2012 there will be new CRV/Accord/Civic/Pilot/Insight
All with latest hybrid/V6/Transmissions. There will be sub-TSX car. there will be new RDX. There will be new MDX/RL
Acura/Honda has huge pent up demand for new technologies.
Hyundai cannot even outsell curent CRV.
#1937
After all, the Genesis sedan is in its 3rd year of sale (about to undergo a refresh) and it's outselling the new Infiniti M.
and where would be that Hyundai dealer located and how many are they?. If they are selling 50 to 60 a month. It is still a montly supply.
and if you have only 14k sales (with fleet). so how are other dealers surviving. when avg is 14 car a month. and Sonata is 30% of Total hyundai sales.
and if you have only 14k sales (with fleet). so how are other dealers surviving. when avg is 14 car a month. and Sonata is 30% of Total hyundai sales.
Sales of the 2011 Sonata are averaging 22-23 a month/dealer (taking into account any fleet sales).
Smaller, low volume Hyundai dealerships will do 10-12 Sonatas a month (if not less); the bigger, high volume ones will do more.
Optima will just cannablizing Sonata sells. It does not bring anything new to the table. same worse fuel economy. (look at C&D test)
The Sonata appeals more to women/families; the Optima appeals more to men.
You dont have a clue of Nissan-Renault-AutoVaz (Enormous Oil and natural resource money is behind it) financial power and cross platform relationship and enormous number of vehicles and technologies that are simultanuous developed world wide.
Infiniti can afford high performance V6 diesel & V6 hybrid in EU but not Hyundai.
Infiniti can afford high performance V6 diesel & V6 hybrid in EU but not Hyundai.
Not to mention that aside from Toyota, Hyundai is the only automaker to use an in-house developed/built 6 spd AT.
In 2012 there will be new CRV/Accord/Civic/Pilot/Insight
All with latest hybrid/V6/Transmissions. There will be sub-TSX car. there will be new RDX. There will be new MDX/RL
Acura/Honda has huge pent up demand for new technologies.
Hyundai cannot even outsell curent CRV.
All with latest hybrid/V6/Transmissions. There will be sub-TSX car. there will be new RDX. There will be new MDX/RL
Acura/Honda has huge pent up demand for new technologies.
Hyundai cannot even outsell curent CRV.
#1938
Of course, other manufacturers will get the advantage when they debut new product, but Hyundai will be more successful than they have in the past late in the cycle (i.e. - the current Elantra and Santa Fe still sell fairly well even tho they are about to be replaced and the new Elantra and Santa Fe will be much more compelling competitors within their segments).
After all, the Genesis sedan is in its 3rd year of sale (about to undergo a refresh) and it's outselling the new Infiniti M.
% of Sonata sales to fleet is in the single digits (overall, Hyundai fleet sales have been around 11%).
Sales of the 2011 Sonata are averaging 22-23 a month/dealer (taking into account any fleet sales).
Smaller, low volume Hyundai dealerships will do 10-12 Sonatas a month (if not less); the bigger, high volume ones will do more.
Sales of the 2011 Sonata are averaging 22-23 a month/dealer (taking into account any fleet sales).
Smaller, low volume Hyundai dealerships will do 10-12 Sonatas a month (if not less); the bigger, high volume ones will do more.
So based on inventories of various dealers. even 20-23 car per month. gives you 3 month of supply. not 16 days.
Yeah, that's why Nissan/Infiniti gave up on the F segment and why they are leaning on Daimler for powerplants.
Not to mention that aside from Toyota, Hyundai is the only automaker to use an in-house developed/built 6 spd AT.
But Kia (w/ the Sorento) is outselling the Pilot.
#1939
Whats up with RDX owners?
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#1940
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Do they still make the Sportage?
#1941
Yes. It's all new for 2011 also. It features improved ground clearance and so much elegance it doesn't need nice wheels, just like we were proven with the RL.
It should sell Kia nicely around 75 units a month, keeping it highly exclusive for the select few.
Edit: Forgot to insert random pictures to make sure your mind is altered and you begin to love it.
It should sell Kia nicely around 75 units a month, keeping it highly exclusive for the select few.
Edit: Forgot to insert random pictures to make sure your mind is altered and you begin to love it.
Last edited by MyCarIsntInMyWifesName; 12-06-2010 at 09:10 AM.
#1942
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Wider, better ground clearance, side view mirrors with LED signals, what's not to love!
#1943
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So what does the Sportage compete with? I always thought of it as a CR-V competitor in some sort?
#1944
Sportage is CR-V competitor, Sorento is bigger than Sportage. CR-V and Sportage have 5 seats and no V6 engine. Sorento has V6 engine. Kia Sorento is equilavent to Hyundai Santa Fe, smaller than Toyota Highlander and Honda Pilot (in size) but bigger than Toyota RAV4 and Honda CR-V.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Sorento
The Kia Sorento is a mid-size crossover SUV produced since 2002 by the South Korean automaker Kia Motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CR-V
The Honda CR-V is a compact crossover SUV manufactured by the Japanese company Honda since 1995.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pilot
The Honda Pilot is a mid-size crossover SUV.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup> The Honda Pilot is built in Lincoln, Alabama, and was also produced in Alliston, Ontario, Canada up until April 2007.
CR-V has never been called a mid-size SUV !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Sorento
The Kia Sorento is a mid-size crossover SUV produced since 2002 by the South Korean automaker Kia Motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CR-V
The Honda CR-V is a compact crossover SUV manufactured by the Japanese company Honda since 1995.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pilot
The Honda Pilot is a mid-size crossover SUV.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup> The Honda Pilot is built in Lincoln, Alabama, and was also produced in Alliston, Ontario, Canada up until April 2007.
CR-V has never been called a mid-size SUV !
#1946
An interesting review of 2010 for Honda. From Automotive News:
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...312069954/1178
The also talk about specific issues with slow selling niche product like the CR-Z, Crosstour, Insight as well as the drop off in owner loyalty due to styling etc. They summed it all up this way:
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...312069954/1178
"Honda is not riding the wave" of the auto recovery, says Lincoln Merrihew, managing director of Compete Automotive, a market research firm.
Some of that has to do with timing. Two crucial products, the Civic and CR-V, are in the final year of their product cycle, and the Accord is 18 months from a redesign.
But other problems -- such as declining buyer consideration, an outdated inventory system and a sliding reputation among younger car shoppers -- suggest a brand that has lost some of its mojo.
Some missteps are easily reversible. For example, Honda held back production and inventory in February when the economy began to show signs of life, giving an opening to more aggressive manufacturers.
Some of that has to do with timing. Two crucial products, the Civic and CR-V, are in the final year of their product cycle, and the Accord is 18 months from a redesign.
But other problems -- such as declining buyer consideration, an outdated inventory system and a sliding reputation among younger car shoppers -- suggest a brand that has lost some of its mojo.
Some missteps are easily reversible. For example, Honda held back production and inventory in February when the economy began to show signs of life, giving an opening to more aggressive manufacturers.
Honda dealers are having trouble providing shoppers with the vehicles they want. Honda's inventory and allocation system was designed when Honda had far fewer nameplates and trim levels, and the model proliferation has quickly outstripped the system's ability to let dealers order the exact vehicles they want.
"Inventory has been a problem," said Ron Theis of Honda of Corvallis, in Corvallis, Ore., who is chairman of the dealer advisory board. "We could sell more if we had them."
"Inventory has been a problem," said Ron Theis of Honda of Corvallis, in Corvallis, Ore., who is chairman of the dealer advisory board. "We could sell more if we had them."
Oregon dealer Theis, a 25-year Honda veteran, said increasingly complicated model proliferation has taxed the current MOVE system. It's about more than just days' supply on a dealer's lot going toward turn-and-earn; it determines what vehicles can be ordered at a particular time.
Large and small dealers agree that Honda's inventory, allocation and manufacturing systems are not properly aligned, requiring a combination of mathematics and luck to get the right cars in stock.
Large and small dealers agree that Honda's inventory, allocation and manufacturing systems are not properly aligned, requiring a combination of mathematics and luck to get the right cars in stock.
Good and bad news
PRO
• Odyssey starting well
• Civic, CR-V coming in 2011
• Low inventories
• Strong retention
CON
• Lackluster launches
• Staid styling
• Obsolete allocation system
• Fewer cross-shoppers
PRO
• Odyssey starting well
• Civic, CR-V coming in 2011
• Low inventories
• Strong retention
CON
• Lackluster launches
• Staid styling
• Obsolete allocation system
• Fewer cross-shoppers
#1947
Yup.... Insight, Crosstour and CR-Z sales are slouching. We never saw this coming! When you design cars that look this good, how can they not sell?!
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/c...ne-bright-spo/
Funny enough though, a friend of mine, who has no interest in minivans whatsoever, thought the new Odyssey actually looked quite good. He also happens to dislike basically every Honda ever made, and would probably never buy a Civic, if it matters.
I hate to beat on a dead horse, but the styling of car shouldn't be underestimated when it comes to qualities in a car. Too late now to make the drastic changes necessary but if cars like the 4G TL, and matters of taste are relative, but if it were designed to appeal to a broader audience, I'm sure at the very least it would seal the deal for prospective car buyers and Acura would move at least a few thousand more TLs each year. Also, only 156 ZDXs were sold in November finally, the RL isn't the sales dog of Honda's entire lineup.... though it's not much better (168 RLs sold)
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...01/509123.html
However, it looks like as a brand on the whole, Honda has improved over it's 2009 numbers by 16.1% as a brand. Good for them. Like a commenter said though, it seems like many of the best designers for Japan moved west to South Korea.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/c...ne-bright-spo/
Honda has hit rough water with sales of its new CR-Z, Accord Crosstour and Insight models According to Automotive News, the three models are underperforming in a big way.
Take the Insight hybrid, which is falling 40,000 units short of even the most conservative estimates inside the company. Outsold 8-to-1 by its Toyota Prius rival, Honda has only managed to shift 19,325 units through November – the company originally targeted sales of 60,000 to 80,000.
Likewise, thus far this year, Honda has sold nearly 20,000 fewer Crosstour models than its biggest competitor – the Toyota Venza, selling just 25,927 units compared to the Toyota's 43,325. Need we remind you, Honda's original sales goal for the Crosstour was 40,000 units per year, a number we were deeply skeptical of after first driving the vehicle at its launch last November.
Although it hasn't been on the market that long, early sales for Honda's new CR-Z hybrid coupe aren't any more encouraging. Automotive News reports that Honda had conservatively intended to sell around 15,000 of the two-seat hybrids per year, but so far, only 4,373 have made their way off of dealer lots and another 3,000 are currently sitting in inventory. Thankfully, there is one bright spot in the Honda stable – the 2011 Odyssey. The minivan bowed in September, and it's performing well against a minivan segment that has heated up with a range of new competitors.
Automotive News suggests that the problem boils down to a change in Honda's image from a company with compelling products to one that plays it safe. Throw in styling that isn't for everyone and aging (but still selling) models like the CR-V and Accord, and you've got a recipe for decreased market share.
Honda, meanwhile, says that it doesn't focus on market share because that leads to bad habits (read: incentives), instead opting to focus on percentage-increases in vehicles sold. That's a fair strategy, but slow sales of key new models suggest that Honda needs to do some soul-searching. Might we suggest getting back to its roots as an engineering-driven car company?
Take the Insight hybrid, which is falling 40,000 units short of even the most conservative estimates inside the company. Outsold 8-to-1 by its Toyota Prius rival, Honda has only managed to shift 19,325 units through November – the company originally targeted sales of 60,000 to 80,000.
Likewise, thus far this year, Honda has sold nearly 20,000 fewer Crosstour models than its biggest competitor – the Toyota Venza, selling just 25,927 units compared to the Toyota's 43,325. Need we remind you, Honda's original sales goal for the Crosstour was 40,000 units per year, a number we were deeply skeptical of after first driving the vehicle at its launch last November.
Although it hasn't been on the market that long, early sales for Honda's new CR-Z hybrid coupe aren't any more encouraging. Automotive News reports that Honda had conservatively intended to sell around 15,000 of the two-seat hybrids per year, but so far, only 4,373 have made their way off of dealer lots and another 3,000 are currently sitting in inventory. Thankfully, there is one bright spot in the Honda stable – the 2011 Odyssey. The minivan bowed in September, and it's performing well against a minivan segment that has heated up with a range of new competitors.
Automotive News suggests that the problem boils down to a change in Honda's image from a company with compelling products to one that plays it safe. Throw in styling that isn't for everyone and aging (but still selling) models like the CR-V and Accord, and you've got a recipe for decreased market share.
Honda, meanwhile, says that it doesn't focus on market share because that leads to bad habits (read: incentives), instead opting to focus on percentage-increases in vehicles sold. That's a fair strategy, but slow sales of key new models suggest that Honda needs to do some soul-searching. Might we suggest getting back to its roots as an engineering-driven car company?
Funny enough though, a friend of mine, who has no interest in minivans whatsoever, thought the new Odyssey actually looked quite good. He also happens to dislike basically every Honda ever made, and would probably never buy a Civic, if it matters.
I hate to beat on a dead horse, but the styling of car shouldn't be underestimated when it comes to qualities in a car. Too late now to make the drastic changes necessary but if cars like the 4G TL, and matters of taste are relative, but if it were designed to appeal to a broader audience, I'm sure at the very least it would seal the deal for prospective car buyers and Acura would move at least a few thousand more TLs each year. Also, only 156 ZDXs were sold in November finally, the RL isn't the sales dog of Honda's entire lineup.... though it's not much better (168 RLs sold)
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...01/509123.html
However, it looks like as a brand on the whole, Honda has improved over it's 2009 numbers by 16.1% as a brand. Good for them. Like a commenter said though, it seems like many of the best designers for Japan moved west to South Korea.
#1948
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I hope the sales figures are a wakeup call.
#1949
Race Director
I still think the best looking designs usually come out of European design firms. Honda's CA facility may sometimes come up with some decent concept cars but by the time they get to production they just don't appeal. And recently they must have had an infusion of guys that worked on the Aztec.
#1952
I still think the best looking designs usually come out of European design firms. Honda's CA facility may sometimes come up with some decent concept cars but by the time they get to production they just don't appeal. And recently they must have had an infusion of guys that worked on the Aztec.
oh, and European Fords, GMs, etc. all look great. I read somewhere that Ford is planning to adopt a global lineup - meaning the vaunted Euro Ford models will be coming stateside....
yup, it's here! http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/2012/
Focus RS
Holden Commodore
JDM CTR
#1954
Burning Brakes
Acura is the only one that offers AWD and FWD?
They actually have the least amount of vehicles with AWD, compared to other luxury brands.
Not to worry though, lets just pretend we didn't hear about Acura outselling Lexus and Infiniti....where were we now....ah yes, Acura sucks! Only 5AT FWD! NO RWD V8! wtf Whats up with that!
#1955
Acura is beating EPA figures by wide margin. Audi S4/Suzuki K cant do it.
I have always maintain when driving hard. Acura will emerge as winner among all auto makers.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...long-term-cars
At 26,576 miles, our TL-SH AWD so far has required three oil changes as determined by the on-board maintenance computer. In addition, the SH-AWD rear differential’s break-in oil was changed out at 15K as scheduled, and the only things that seem to be wearing down with each hard-charging mile are the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.
I have always maintain when driving hard. Acura will emerge as winner among all auto makers.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...long-term-cars
At 26,576 miles, our TL-SH AWD so far has required three oil changes as determined by the on-board maintenance computer. In addition, the SH-AWD rear differential’s break-in oil was changed out at 15K as scheduled, and the only things that seem to be wearing down with each hard-charging mile are the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.
#1956
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Acura is beating EPA figures by wide margin. Audi S4/Suzuki K cant do it.
I have always maintain when driving hard. Acura will emerge as winner among all auto makers.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...long-term-cars
At 26,576 miles, our TL-SH AWD so far has required three oil changes as determined by the on-board maintenance computer. In addition, the SH-AWD rear differential’s break-in oil was changed out at 15K as scheduled, and the only things that seem to be wearing down with each hard-charging mile are the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.
I have always maintain when driving hard. Acura will emerge as winner among all auto makers.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...long-term-cars
At 26,576 miles, our TL-SH AWD so far has required three oil changes as determined by the on-board maintenance computer. In addition, the SH-AWD rear differential’s break-in oil was changed out at 15K as scheduled, and the only things that seem to be wearing down with each hard-charging mile are the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.
"This M3 sure is nice, if only BMW could match the outstanding fuel efficiency of all Acuras then I would consider it."
#1957
Acura is beating EPA figures by wide margin. Audi S4/Suzuki K cant do it.
I have always maintain when driving hard. Acura will emerge as winner among all auto makers.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...long-term-cars
At 26,576 miles, our TL-SH AWD so far has required three oil changes as determined by the on-board maintenance computer. In addition, the SH-AWD rear differential’s break-in oil was changed out at 15K as scheduled, and the only things that seem to be wearing down with each hard-charging mile are the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.
I have always maintain when driving hard. Acura will emerge as winner among all auto makers.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...long-term-cars
At 26,576 miles, our TL-SH AWD so far has required three oil changes as determined by the on-board maintenance computer. In addition, the SH-AWD rear differential’s break-in oil was changed out at 15K as scheduled, and the only things that seem to be wearing down with each hard-charging mile are the sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.
2011 TL FWD
18 city/26 highway/21 combined
2011 TL AWD
17 city/25 highway/20 combined
#1958
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Acura is the only one that offers AWD and FWD?
They actually have the least amount of vehicles with AWD, compared to other luxury brands.
Not to worry though, lets just pretend we didn't hear about Acura outselling Lexus and Infiniti....where were we now....ah yes, Acura sucks! Only 5AT FWD! NO RWD V8! wtf Whats up with that!
Keep stirring the pot.....
#1959
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That's the official response.
#1960
And yet it doesn't help its mileage enough Stinkin' jermanz.