biker

OTOH in Germany (and other European countries) the prices are sort of competitive between the models but the population is pretty nationalistic and buy mostly German makes. This is also somewhat true in the US - you get away from the coasts and the percentage of American cars goes up.

Legend2TL

My brother lived in Sydney for 2 years and observed the same thing. None the less he still bought a used 325 convertible which was pricey and used it while he was there. IIRC the tariff in Austrailia was something like ~40% for vehicles were there is no manufacturing facility there. So since Ford, Nissan, GM have large facilities there I believe all their cars are no subject to the high tariff so they import some other models as well.


I agree with your two cents and add two more, senior detroit management also deserves blame for allowing things to get as bad as they did. There was too much attention on short term planning and profits from SUV's in the 90's.

Legend2TL

Wow the new 5 series really bounced back to within a few hundred of the E-class.

Wonder what's up with the new A8 35 sold is not too good for a first year new model sales. Maybe they have production problems like Acura?

fsttyms1

Its because the RL sales were up 67%

Legend2TL

Must be the superior size and ground clearance of the RL's side mirror's

yohan81718

or the elegance of honda/acura

SSFTSX

http://www.bsmotoring.com/news/volks...orfight/2723/1


Volkswagen Vento versus Honda City - Spoiling for a fight
The Vento is in town. Does the City need to be worried?

Honda is in a spot of bother, or they’d like to consider themselves to be. Takashi Nagai, the new man at the helm of affairs at Honda Siel India thinks that Volkswagen, combined with Suzuki is ‘very worrying’. He probably meant it even more so, because for the first time the pride of Honda Cars India, the Honda City, is under some serious threat. Volkswagen’s entry into the Rs 7-10 lakh C-segment with the Vento has meant some nerve wracking months ahead for Honda in India.

Think about it; Honda sells about 4000 units of the City every month, something none of its rivals have managed to come close to. And this is on the back of the fact that Honda doesn’t even offer a diesel version of the City! So, with Volkswagen first playing super aggressive with its pricing strategy and then offering a diesel option has meant that even the men in Minato, Tokyo are watching this space with bated breath.



But is it really all doom and gloom for Honda or have Volkswagen stumbled while trying to become segment leader? To clear the air, we put both through a series of tests and were more than startled by the outcome. We even went ahead to see if the Vento diesel can make the cut. Let’s see who can sing!



SHE’S GOT THE LOOK

It’s really a matter of choice – both cars really do look good and I am being totally neutral about it. The Vento, for all it’s worth, doesn’t feel like a Polo with a boot. Think of the Vento as a completely different car and it works – albeit from a design standpoint. Viewed up front, there is nothing to distinguish between the hatch and the sedan sibling; it’s only when you view it in profile that the rising waistline and the extra metal over the C-pillar make the differences apparent. Volkswagen have not even made an effort to change either the wheels or the tyres, so you get the same set of 15-inch wheels on alloys on the Highline or steel-pressed ones as on the Trendline. The boot itself is quite thoughtfully designed, with the large wrap around tail lamps hardly impeding into the boot. Stare at the Vento for long, however, and you will find some staidness in the design.

The City is so popular now, that its crazy space-age lines don’t really excite. But make no mistake, this car still stands out. From the sharp front-end that boasts of parallelogram head lamps to the thick horizontal slats on the grille, the City is very dynamic looking. Last year, Honda even added a new variant, the V that you see here, which finally gets fog lamps and alloy wheels. In profile, the City looks squat and gives one the impression of a car with a low centre of gravity. Even the rump isn’t ignored, looking pin-sharp and completing the coupe-ish stance of the vehicle perfectly.

VOLKSWAGEN VENTO: 4/5

HONDA CITY: 4/5


Okay, let’s admit most people who spend time in these cars will spend their time in the back seat, and both these cars have it, well, pretty good. The Vento, unlike the Polo, doesn’t feel cramped. You won’t be crying for blood to pass through your arteries nor will deep vein thrombosis become the symptom of your misery. The Vento’s best bit is that the rear seats are nicely positioned and you get ample shoulder room, head room and knee room. It’s also easy to get in and out of those rear seats, but the seats are a bit low and you find yourself adjusting a bit just to prevent your lower back from going numb. The Vento rescues itself by offering dedicated rear air vents and an adjustable front passenger seat that liberates more legroom for the passengers at the rear. Neat touches!

Not so with the City. The seats are nice and high, getting in and out is a breeze and even though it doesn’t have a dedicated rear air vent nor the adjustable front passenger seat, it’s comfortable. There is also lots of support at all the right places – no wonder it’s such a preferred chauffeur-driven car. Legroom and knee room is decent too, the only problem being the non-adjustable rear headrests that make it a touch uncomfortable.

We had the Trendline Vento petrol on test, and that meant it didn’t have the climate control unit nor an audio head unit, both of which are available on the Highline diesel. The build quality of the Vento is just as good as the Polo, except it feels a bit plasticky by VW standards even though it’s a step ahead of most of its competition. But it still lacks some features even in the Highline – for instance there are no stereo controls on the steering, nor does the stereo come with an aux-in/USB. The City in comparison only comes with a USB player and not a CD player, which again is a bit strange. But it does feature controls on the steering on the V variant. The overall look and feel of the City is more lively on the inside, the colours are more vibrant and it just feels more plush and appealing, though some bits still aren’t high quality. The Vento, even in the Highline trim, feels a little drab and can’t hide its Volkswagen-ness. Even the use

of beige doesn’t lift it up by much and the beige trim itself is susceptible to getting stained.

VOLKSWAGEN VENTO: 3/5

HONDA CITY: 4/5


It’s a straightforward fight and on paper, the Honda City seems to have the edge. Its 1497cc engine liberates a little over 116 bhp at 6600 rpm, while torque is rated at 14.9 kgm coming in at a heady 4600 rpm. The Vento petrol with its slightly larger 1598cc engine makes do with a lower power rating – 104 bhp@5200 rpm but marginally healthier torque with 15.6 kgm available lower down the rev range. But it’s the diesel that takes the cake. With the same capacity and identical power figure, the Vento diesel produces a staggering 25.4 kgm of peak torque from as low as 1500 rpm. This makes it even more torquey than the Hyundai Verna diesel. The City boasts of an intelligent variable valve technology, while the Vento petrol only has double overhead camshafts. For those who don’t know, the engine on the Vento is a variation of the one found on the long gone Jetta petrol. That should mean better performance than the larger Jetta, but can the petrol Vento catch up to the City?

Straightline figures reveal that the Vento can accelerate from 0-100 kph in just 11.81 seconds, which is commendable to say the least. It has enough gusto and good bottom end torque to get it up to steam, though it doesn’t necessarily reward drivers looking to upshift early and maximise efficiency. The 80-120 kph and 100-140 kph times of 8.2 and 13.1 seconds make it a fair bit slower as far as mid-range performance is concerned, but at the same time the engine sounds throaty and a sports exhaust and/or performance air-filter can only amplify it well. A top speed of 180 kph is pretty decent, though it takes quite an age to get there. The Vento diesel is even quicker than the petrol, with a 0-100 kph time of 11.07 seconds and a top speed nearing an insane 190 kph. This means it has long blown off the socks of the 110 bhp Hyundai Verna diesel motor. The mid-range performance is very good, and though the clutch has a strange jerky bite to it, it still manages 8.0 seconds from 80-120 kph.

The City, however, is a blast to drive. Acceleration is electrifying and a 0-100 kph timing of 10.59 seconds only cements the fact that it is the quickest accelerating saloon in its segment, petrol or diesel. Mid-range performance is excellent too and unlike the petrol Vento it pulls away cleanly from 50 kph in 5th gear without you having to step on the throttle. This, despite the engine being a VTEC unit where performance is generally best over 4000 rpm. The manner in which the car keeps hunting for the redline is an enthusiast’s delight and the turn-in speed from 5000-7000 rpm is something one can expect from some sports coupes. A top speed nearing 185 kph takes it close to some entry D-segment offerings. It truly is a great engine, even though it isn’t as refined as one would have expected. Both cars have great gearboxes that make them a joy to use and they slot into position rather well. As far as efficiency goes, it is the City that comes out on top once again, proving that performance does not have to be at the expense of efficiency.

VOLKSWAGEN VENTO: 4/5

HONDA CITY: 5/5
GO BABY GO

The Polo has set certain benchmarks as far as ride and handling go and the Vento is no exception either. The steering is light and makes it easy to maneouvre and it is accurate. The overall setup of the car is slightly soft and over time we have realised that it is good and bad in the same breadth. The ride quality of the Vento makes it great over bad roads and doesn’t transmit the road undulations to the occupants. It also has this ability to pummel everything under it into submission, but that is where the good part ends. Like the Polo, the car tends to bottom out because of the soft setup and it is quite evident if you check out the inner wheel arches lined with tyre marks on the wheel well. That setup also means that while the car develops good grip on the whole and Apollo Acelere tyres do get due mention here, the overall suspension softness hampers its change of direction and understeer is a constant companion as I found while trying to tackle long sweeping corners or simply getting the car to drift using the handbrake. The nose-heavy diesel is even more reluctant to change lines, but VW has made a commendable effort to control torque steer.

Strangely enough, it’s the City once again that outcorners and outrides the Vento. Strange because a Japanese manufacturer and not a German goliath has found the sweet spot in terms of ride and handling balance. The City rides extremely well and feels more plush. On most surfaces the City feels more tied down, but its lower ground clearance does hamper it when the roads get bad. Handling is where the City feels more connected to the road, the steering feeling far more responsive and giving better feedback. The stiffer-than-Vento setup means the front end goes exactly where you want it to, maneouvres are more deft and precise too. The rear setup is slightly soft, though it isn’t too disconnected. But it’s easier to drift around corners and it can break traction more easily, thanks in a way due to the narrower 175 section tyres. Braking behaviour between both cars is strangely similar. Both brake in a straight line and brake feel is more or less the same. But it’s the City that brakes a tad shorter, thanks to the fact that both the E and V variants come with ABS that help make braking tighter. The Vento in our braking tests left behind a cloud of smoke, thanks to the Trendline’s lack of ABS.

VOLKSWAGEN VENTO: 4/5

HONDA CITY: 4/5

IT’S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

It’s quite evident that as cars go, the City is a better package on the whole. It rides better, handles better, has better performance and has the best interiors of the two. However, the City’s biggest drawback is its price. At Rs 9.56 lakh, ex-showroom Mumbai for the V variant, it is still more than the Vento Highline and that makes the Vento tremendous value for money. Look at it this way; if you want a car that does the job and doesn’t make you feel like you were mugged by your dealer, then the Vento petrol will suit you just fine. If you still must have the car, then go for the diesel (Rs 9.85 lakh, ex-showroom Mumbai) because it is the right engine for the car. But if you just want the better car, the Honda City is still the one to buy. Honda can now stop worrying.

pttl

^
Good post

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I think the new 5 series is very attractive looking...but I don't like the fact that it has gained so much weight.

A8...I didn't even pay attention to its sales number...lol

phile

there's gotta be something up with those A8 numbers, that is way too low.

Legend2TL

Saw a new 535 for the first time in person last week, from a distance I thought it was a 7 series because of the size. I really like the new exterior and interior styling of it as well.

smarty666

+1

chungkopi

Elantra is aging model. it was a cheaper alternative to Civic. last Sonata used to sell for way less than 20k too. I almost bought 2006 sonata v6 LX for 18.7k OTD price. try buying the base 2011 Sonata for that price. hyundai will increase the new Elantra for sure. Accent will go up as well.

Average transaction price of Acura is $37.5k.
http://blog.truecar.com/2010/10/15/l...-weak-economy/


Average transaction price of Genesis is up there with Acura.
http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/eq...n-krafcik.html

chungkopi

it's strange, but i've seen only 2 A8 so far in Chicago. it's very rare still.

SSFTSX

where it say transaction price. V8 Genesis has sticker price of $40k not transaction. it is way lower.

By next year Sonata will be in same situation as Elantra/Accent today. there plenty of Sonata 2011 on sale.

how many used Honda Accord 2011 can you find in this price.



http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

chungkopi

it's a used car. lol anyway cheapest base sonata's OTD price 19.5k ish. 4 years ago V6 with leather was selling below 19k OTD.

you are not gettin 5-6k below msrp price for new hyundai models. those days are gone with these new models. Genesis' average transaction price would be almost up there with Acura. i would say 36k-36.5k. not far from Acura. Genesis buyers usually don't buy base model with no Nav.

SSFTSX

your basically in lalaland comparing Genesis with Acura.

Remember these are advertized prices. Transaction prices are far lower.
No Acura dealer will even advertize TSX for this price let alone TL. and you cant find any 2009 TL for $23K asking price with 20k miles. These prices are even lower than TSX.


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/2046704638.html
New 2011 Hyundai Genesis 4dr Sdn V6 #9384, - $28999 (burlingame)


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/2048977945.html
09 HYUNDAI GENESIS TECH PKG LOW MILES FULLY LOADED SHOWROOM CONDITION! - $22990 (bay area, ca 94536)

chungkopi

lol at craigslist. lol

of course when you overrate Acura and underrate Genesis, you end up about 20k difference. and that happens only in your lalaland.

again, Acura's average transaction price is 37.5k. that's a fact.

and from my educated assumption(from Edmunds, from Krafcik review, and etc) Genesis' average transaction is most likely high 30's(36k-38.5k) for v8 and low 30's(30k -34k) for v6. so when you average them you get mid 30's average price. so the difference is only $2500 at most between Acura and Genesis. but i'm guessing around 36k for Genesis simply because I think Genesis buyers go for loaded options instead of stripped version of Genesis. so the real difference is probably less than $1500.

chungkopi

those cheap Hyundais depreciate like m.ofos, aren't they?

Used 2010 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 $43,800
5,082 miles
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false


2009 Genesis 3.8 $29,000
25,361 miles
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

Used 2009 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 $28,995
Mileage: 38,250
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

Used 2009 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 $27,977
Mileage: 35,805
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false


Used 2010 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 $33,499
17,165 miles
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

Used 2010 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 $38,988
Mileage: 16,341
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

Used 2010 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 $36,944
Mileage: 18,793
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false


oh by the way, Genesis v8 now only has 1 pricing option. $43,800. so basically every v8 model is fully loaded. and v6 with tech package is $41,800. basically Genesis pricing went up significantly for 2011 models.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/build-your...esis&year=2011

Genesis v6 33k-41.8k
Genesis v8 43.8k

so even with heavy incentives, the average transaction price will be over 35k. am i right, or am i right?

SSFTSX

I can show much more links with TL/TSX/MDX prices that are way higher thats not the point.
It is far easy to find cheaper Genesis than Cheaper Acura.
Acura avg transaction price cannot be $37.5K.
40% of Sales are MDX (About 4300 avg per month) wit minimum $43k Price.
5% sales are ZDX/RL (about 500 combine on avg) with minimum $45k on avg.
25% sales are TL/TL Sh-AWD. (about 2500 avg) $36k avg price.
20% sales on avg TSX. ($29K avg for Tech, $27K for non-tech, $34k for V6). let put avg at $29k as it is the most on sale.
15% are RDX. (about 1600 avg) $34k avg price.

When you do weighted avg of all these. It comes to $39.5K avg transaction price.

You should also include Genesis coupe in Gensis avg transaction price and also include extended Acura warranty price in Acura vehicles to match 10 year Hyundai. I am not even going into $1500 coupon on Genesis. Genesis avg transaction price is way lower.

Shift_Acura

Nissan has been making great cars for years but they still depreciate at a higher rate than toyota/honda. Hyundai has not even caught up to Nissan yet so just slow down there chungkopi. It takes decades to build a good reputation.

SSFTSX

Most impressive thing is that British built Hondas are competing against German built imports.


http://www.easier.com/80110-honda-re...ufacturer.html

Honda named UK's most reliable car manufacturer
10th November 2010

Honda has been named Britain's most reliable car manufacturer by the influential FN50 survey, further strengthening Honda's reputation for bullet proof reliability.

Honda beat off rivals to the top spot in the annual survey which is published by industry leading publication Fleet News. The report covers 1.5 million vehicles owned or managed by the country's 50 largest contract hire companies. Honda also featured highly in the top ten most reliable cars with the Accord and British-built Civic in second and ninth place respectively.

Graham Avent, Manager - Corporate Operations at Honda (UK), commented:"Winning the FN50 most reliable manufacturer accolade is a huge boost for Honda in the Corporate market. What makes it so important is the survey size - it's great to know that out of over one million drivers, the Honda brand comes out on top. We always score well in consumer surveys thanks to the phenomenal reliability and quality of our product range - but to get this recognition from the company car drivers themselves means the world to our Corporate team and our Corporate dealer network.

"The Civic's top ten placing is also a great endorsement for our plant in Swindon that makes 85 per cent of the cars we sell in the UK. Honda has proven that British manufacturing continues to produce class-leading product for the fleet market."

Over the years, Honda has continually been ranked highly in customer reliability surveys such as the JD Power Survey and Which? Car.

Fleet News editor Stephen Briers concluded: “Businesses that depend on vehicles take reliability very seriously, and can’t afford downtime through breakdowns that incurs extra costs.

“This is the largest reliability survey of its kind, so any vehicle with a top 10 placing will represent a safe bet for any organisation or private motorist.”

chungkopi

So which Honda model is 2nd to i30?

http://www.newstoday.co.za/index.php...e-car-i30.html

fsttyms1

No mention of honda in that report

SSFTSX

have you looked at Survey what they are measuring. it is the most abscure survey as they put Jaquar #2.
comparing survey of 23000 against 1.5 Million Fleet reliability
Fleet survey are the most correct measure as it is under same owenership. not same driver opinion for a car even cheaper than Hyundai Accent.
no British Brand is in Top in Fleet Survey that tell you some thing.

TSX69

US Gov't Bolsters Hybrid Sales as Consumer Demand Wanes

WASHINGTON (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama's administration has bought almost a 4th of the Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Co. hybrid vehicles sold since he took office, accelerating federal purchases as consumer demand wanes.

The U.S. General Services Administration, which runs the government fleet, bought at least 14,584 hybrid vehicles in the past 2 fiscal years, or about 10% of 145,473 vehicles the agency purchased in that period, according to sales data obtained by Bloomberg under a Freedom of Information Act request. In fiscal 2008, hybrids accounted for less than 1% of government purchases, the data showed.

The government is boosting investment in a technology that has failed to win broad acceptance after more than a decade in the marketplace. Consumer sales of hybrids are headed for their 3rd consecutive yearly decline. Government agencies and businesses have said they also will purchase all-electric models being introduced by automakers including GM.

“At some point, the reality is that for this technology to be accepted, it needs to be done without a government crutch,” said Jeff Schuster, director of forecasting at J.D. Power & Associates in Troy, Mich. “But without a huge gas-price increase or further government demand, the natural demand just isn't to be there.”

Stimulus money used

About 3,100 of the hybrids purchased by GSA were paid for out of $300 million that the agency received from the 2009 economic stimulus package, said Sara Merriam, a spokeswoman for the agency. Another 5,600 were bought with proceeds from selling older cars in the government fleet, she said. A majority of fiscal 2009 hybrid sales came after Obama took office in January 2009.

“This is the beginning,” Merriam said. “Our main goal is to increase the fuel efficiency of the federal fleet. The other goal is to drive the market toward cleaner technologies. It's in the early stages of the government acquiring more hybrids and in larger quantities.”

The models purchased by the government ranged from $23,072 to $47,079, according to the data.

The government paid an average of $5,281 less for its hybrid vehicles than sticker prices at a dealership, according to a comparison of the GSA purchase data with prices collected by Edmunds.com, a consumer information website.

Global sales of hybrids, plug-in hybrids and electric cars are projected to be 954,500 vehicles, or 2.2% of the 44.7 million passenger vehicles projected to be sold this year, J.D. Power said in an October report. That may rise to 5.2 million units in 2020, according to the report.

Not cost competitive

“The lesson learned is that it isn't easy to make these vehicles mainstream,” said Brett Smith, who specializes in alternative propulsion vehicles at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich. “They are still not near the point where they are cost-competitive in the market.”

Toyota Motor Corp. sold the 1st hybrid Prius in Japan in 1997 and Honda Motor Co. introduced the 1st hybrid to the U.S. in 1999. Total U.S. hybrid sales since then have been about 1.8 million, or about 1% of the 175 million cars and trucks sold during that period. More than half of those hybrids were Prius models.

The U.S. government buys hybrids almost exclusively from Ford and GM. It bought only 17 Prius models and 5 of Honda's Civic hybrids in the past 2 years. Chrysler Group LLC stopped making hybrids in 2008 after about 2 months of production.

The government purchased about 64% of GM's Chevy Malibu hybrid models and 29% of all Ford Fusion hybrids manufactured since Obama took office in 2009, the data show. GM stopped making the Malibu hybrid in 2009 after lack of consumer demand.

Leading by example

GSA also bought about 14%rd Escape hybrids. Obama leased a hybrid Escape for himself in May 2007, before he was elected president. He turned it in this year because he's rarely allowed to drive.

“It is good that the government leads by example,” Dan Becker, director of the Washington-based Safe Climate Campaign, said in an interview. “At a time when we're just beginning the era of the hybrid, it's a positive sign that the government is stepping up to the plate and helping build that market.”

The next wave of new technology vehicles are so-called plug-in hybrids and electric models. GM's Chevrolet Volt, which has a gasoline engine primarily for charging the battery, and Nissan Motor Co.'s full-electric Leaf go on sale later this year. Ford's Transit Connect electric delivery van is already on sale.

Plug-in goals

Obama has set a goal of 1 million plug-in vehicles on the road by 2015 and has committed more than $11 billion in taxpayer funding to help support the technology.

GSA has accepted bids for contracts that may supply 100 electric delivery vehicles from a Ford dealership in Minnesota and Smith Electric, an affiliate of Washington, England-based Tanfield Group, the agency said on its website.

Hybrid and electric vehicles can be $3,000 to $20,000 more expensive than gasoline models, Smith said. The U.S. offers as much as $7,500 in tax credits for the purchase of plug-in vehicles and about a dozen U.S. states offer additional incentives.

Hybrid and electric vehicle technology only makes sense if it can stand without government support, Ford Chief Executive Alan Mulally told Detroit-area supplier executives in a Nov. 8 speech that was closed to the media.

“He was saying, ‘You have to have a business that doesn't need all these government incentives,'” Karen Hampton, a Ford spokeswoman said, recounting the talk. “Incentives have a role to play when you're trying to get new technology off the ground or change behaviors, but it's not meant to be a permanent part of the business equation.”

HondaOnWORKS

The part I'm interested in is the part where you said "
but i can see Hyundai/kia outselling Honda/acura by end of next year."

You do know what you just said right? Honda/Acura are #2 out of Japan meaning they are ahead of Nissan/Infiniti.

To say that Hyundai will sell more than Honda/Acura, you are also saying Hyundai will sell more than Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti, which I say its impossible by the end of the year unless Hyundai offers Black Friday deals every week... >_>

Even though I hate Hyundai, they are stepping up there game, but are they at a point to surpass Honda/Acura or Nissan/Infiniti? Hell no. Like someone has mentioned few post up, it takes time build up a rep, and by the end of the year for Hyundai to pass Honda/Acura (which implies Hyundai will pass Nissan/Infiniti also) is crazy. So crazy perhaps it don't fit into logical thinking.

TSX69

http://www.hondanews.com/channels/co...f-16-1-percent

American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted November sales of 89,617 vehicles, an increase of 16.1% based on the daily selling rate*, the company announced today. American Honda year-to-date sales reached 1,100,864, an increase of 5.9% versus last year based on the daily selling rate.

Honda Division posted November sales of 78,899, an increase of 15.9% versus last year. The Accord was the top-selling Honda model for the month with sales of 19,025, up 5.8%, followed by the CR-V with sales of 18,263, up 25.4%, and the Civic with sales of 16,562, up 16.3%. The all-new 2011 Odyssey continued to build momentum in its 2nd full month of sales with 8,805 units, up 31.7%. Overall, Honda Division light-truck sales increased 24.7% to 38,802 and car sales increased 8.5% to 40,097.

"Our Acura Division sales continue to be strong, led by red hot year-to-date sales of our MDX and RDX SUVs," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda. "And with the newly released Odyssey minivan and CR-Z sport hybrid selling well, we look forward to a good year end."

Acura Division posted November sales of 10,718, an increase of 17.1% versus November 2009, and year-to-date sales reached 118,117, an increase of 24.6%. The MDX was the top-selling Acura model for the month with sales of 4,191, up 15.9%. Acura TSX sales totaled 2,589, up 16.7%, followed by the TL with sales of 2,431, up 13.1%.

neuronbob

When did TSX sales surpass TL sales? Just wondering. The TSX seems to be effectively Acura's bread and butter sedan now.

smarty666

When it became a fat, bucked tooth beaver

Colin

The 2G TSXs larger size, slightly softer ride, softer steering have moved it closer to the middle of the road and more acceptable as a mainstream family car than the original.

PortlandRL

Another record month for Hyundai.

http://hyundainews.com/Corporate_New...es_Release.asp

Green indicates sales increases over the same month last year. Gray indicates no change. November, 2009 figures are in parentheses.

Accent - 4,052 (3,831)
Sonata - 14,031 (8,178)
Elantra - 8,631 (6,127)
Santa Fe - 6,967 (6,564)
Azera - 248 (248)
Tucson - 3,042 (888)
Veracruz - 747 (459)
Genesis - 3,005 (1,751)

BRAND TOTAL - 40,723 (28,045)

biker

I also think it has to do with the fact that the original TSX had some better competition on the Acura showroom floor.

Mansa24

YTD Sales

TL - 30,774
TSX - 27,683

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Acura completely dropped the ball with the TSX V-6. Instead of moving a lot more volume, I bet a lot of sales competition came from the TL. I guess all the info is in this thread, but since it's night I'm far too lazy to confirm my suspicions.

SSFTSX

These are pretty poor numbers from Hyundai. Honda has the same increase in quantity but most of its vehicles are 5 years old.
Last year sales of Sonata shows that once Hyundai car gets older. Sales drop way more and 14k sales is 5th in family sedan despite having Hybrid/turbo in line up with 10 year warranty.

smarty666

That and they just took a V6 and dumped it into a car that was originally designed for it! That is never a good thing. If you want a V6, get the TL.

I felt the ride in the I4 for more on the harsh side but nothing compared to the V6 which was worse with the weight of the V6 and those 18inch wheels

SSFTSX

Canada sales

http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-n...s?artid=125349

is300eater

for most of 2010, only 33 Acura RLs were sold in Canada, yet Mercedes Benz sold 55 SLS AMGs in the month of July (in Canada)

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