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12-02-2010, 07:37 PM
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^ doesn't surprise me. hardly any RLs are being allocated to Canada duh! While Canada is known for being one of the largest markets of AMGs
12-02-2010, 07:42 PM
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RL does not sell when in Canada. Canadaites do not want all wheel drive. They prefer mirrors too small and ride height too low. RL designed for superior American market desires.
12-02-2010, 08:13 PM
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superior design does not work well with snow, notice superior japanese made led wraps whole width of mirror. german design has no blend, no elegance, rl is definition of class in midsize luxury category. class means exclusive. exclusive means low volume. 
12-03-2010, 12:05 AM
#1884
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
12-03-2010, 07:07 AM
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12-03-2010, 07:37 AM
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33 sales of RL are ok. considering the price of RL and its fuel economy.
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
12-03-2010, 07:43 AM
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but once you get into $50k. you need constant updates/innovations/options. Standardardized products without updates dont move.
12-03-2010, 07:53 AM
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33 sales of RL are ok. considering the price of RL and its fuel economy.
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
A6 does not outsell RL because of MMC. RL is for more cultured customers and classier. Only few people can be on that level.
12-03-2010, 08:38 AM
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Actually, the RL always had poor sales and was therefore never competitive in the segment. No manufacturer is whispering, "OMG, we gotta watch our backs 'cuz of the RL!"
12-03-2010, 11:23 AM
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12-03-2010, 01:13 PM
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These are pretty poor numbers from Hyundai. Honda has the same increase in quantity but most of its vehicles are 5 years old.
Last year sales of Sonata shows that once Hyundai car gets older. Sales drop way more and 14k sales is 5th in family sedan despite having Hybrid/turbo in line up with 10 year warranty.
Last year sales of Sonata shows that once Hyundai car gets older. Sales drop way more and 14k sales is 5th in family sedan despite having Hybrid/turbo in line up with 10 year warranty.
Hyundai posted a 45 percent gain in November sales to 40,723 -- its best November ever -- but its product chief says scant inventories of key models could create customer satisfaction problems.
Mike O’Brien, Hyundai’s vice president of product and corporate planning, told Automotive News that the brand has less than a 20-day supply of the Hyundai Sonata, Tucson and Santa Fe -- three of the brand’s best selling-vehicles.
“We need to have at least above 30 (days) to have reasonable availability for our customers to find the vehicle they want,” he said at a Hyundai press event here. “So it’s a satisfaction challenge that we need to address.”
For example, even though the new Sonata has been on sale for a full year and 2010 sales will likely hit 200,000 units by year end, Hyundai still only has a 16-day supply.
Hyundai’s plant in Montgomery, Ala., builds the Sonata and recently began producing the new Elantra compact, which is scheduled to go on sale in January.
Mike O’Brien, Hyundai’s vice president of product and corporate planning, told Automotive News that the brand has less than a 20-day supply of the Hyundai Sonata, Tucson and Santa Fe -- three of the brand’s best selling-vehicles.
“We need to have at least above 30 (days) to have reasonable availability for our customers to find the vehicle they want,” he said at a Hyundai press event here. “So it’s a satisfaction challenge that we need to address.”
For example, even though the new Sonata has been on sale for a full year and 2010 sales will likely hit 200,000 units by year end, Hyundai still only has a 16-day supply.
Hyundai’s plant in Montgomery, Ala., builds the Sonata and recently began producing the new Elantra compact, which is scheduled to go on sale in January.
Also you also have to factor in
1. number of dealerships. Hyundai has less than 800 dealers. Toyota has 1200 dealers. i'm not sure about honda.
2.sonata hybrid just came out, but it's not in any of dealers yet. it's not even on the website yet.
i'm convinced that sonata is actually selling almost as well as camry & accord without hybrid help. hyundai needs to make another plant to actually match camry and accord, and most likely it won't happen anytime soon.
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To me, the new RL's beak makes the TL's front looks gorgeous.....lol
12-03-2010, 05:40 PM
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Exactly...they don't move because they CAN'T COMPETE with other options in the segment where the manufacturers keep their products updated and COMPETITIVE.
Actually, the RL always had poor sales and was therefore never competitive in the segment. No manufacturer is whispering, "OMG, we gotta watch our backs 'cuz of the RL!"
Actually, the RL always had poor sales and was therefore never competitive in the segment. No manufacturer is whispering, "OMG, we gotta watch our backs 'cuz of the RL!"
It's been discussed numerous times before but the first year sales of the RL was OK. Not E volume but IIRC they were close to or at 1000 a month.
12-03-2010, 05:52 PM
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-- The RL luxury performance sedan recorded its best year ever with sales
of 17,572 units, surpassing the previous record of 16,004 units set in
1997. For the year, RL sales were up 101.4% versus last year.
of 17,572 units, surpassing the previous record of 16,004 units set in
1997. For the year, RL sales were up 101.4% versus last year.
12-03-2010, 06:13 PM
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Exactly...they don't move because they CAN'T COMPETE with other options in the segment where the manufacturers keep their products updated and COMPETITIVE.
Actually, the RL always had poor sales and was therefore never competitive in the segment. No manufacturer is whispering, "OMG, we gotta watch our backs 'cuz of the RL!"
Actually, the RL always had poor sales and was therefore never competitive in the segment. No manufacturer is whispering, "OMG, we gotta watch our backs 'cuz of the RL!"
12-03-2010, 06:58 PM
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At one time it was competitive, but the competition passed it up years ago.
12-03-2010, 07:00 PM
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33 sales of RL are ok. considering the price of RL and its fuel economy.
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
Audi A6 is nearly same age but its sales are better because it got comphrensive MMC. like 6speed Auto/Supercharged DI engine/3D maps in navigation system/LED DRL.
Acura RL is essentially the same for past 6 years. it is ok for 20 to 30k economy car to stay the same. but for $65K+. the expectation are for latest technology.
12-03-2010, 08:20 PM
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12-03-2010, 09:23 PM
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12-03-2010, 10:28 PM
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Am I reading this correct
12-03-2010, 11:10 PM
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And that reason has to be how pricey and hideous the TL is. Every one that has bought the RL got it because it could be had for the price of a TL and it looks better. Not much but it does.
12-04-2010, 01:25 AM
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Hyundai only has 16-day supply for Sonata.
Also you also have to factor in
1. number of dealerships. Hyundai has less than 800 dealers. Toyota has 1200 dealers. i'm not sure about honda.
2.sonata hybrid just came out, but it's not in any of dealers yet. it's not even on the website yet.
i'm convinced that sonata is actually selling almost as well as camry & accord without hybrid help. hyundai needs to make another plant to actually match camry and accord, and most likely it won't happen anytime soon.
Also you also have to factor in
1. number of dealerships. Hyundai has less than 800 dealers. Toyota has 1200 dealers. i'm not sure about honda.
2.sonata hybrid just came out, but it's not in any of dealers yet. it's not even on the website yet.
i'm convinced that sonata is actually selling almost as well as camry & accord without hybrid help. hyundai needs to make another plant to actually match camry and accord, and most likely it won't happen anytime soon.
You can search almost 10 dealers in whole North CA. and avg inventory is closer to 3 months of supply on dealer lots. and CA has more import car than US domestic brands.
66 Sonatas in Inventory.
http://www.sanjosehyundai.com/new-cars.aspx
36 in Inventory.
http://www.hyundaioffremont.com/new-...ventoryListing
55 in Inventory
http://www.sfhyundai.net/VehicleSear...w&make=Hyundai
55 in Inventory
http://www.cammisahyundai.com/NewVehicleSearch
12-04-2010, 09:35 AM
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so Hyundai has 800 dealers. it is like selling 16 car per dealer per month.
You can search almost 10 dealers in whole North CA. and avg inventory is closer to 3 months of supply on dealer lots. and CA has more import car than US domestic brands.
66 Sonatas in Inventory.
http://www.sanjosehyundai.com/new-cars.aspx
36 in Inventory.
http://www.hyundaioffremont.com/new-...ventoryListing
55 in Inventory
http://www.sfhyundai.net/VehicleSear...w&make=Hyundai
55 in Inventory
http://www.cammisahyundai.com/NewVehicleSearch
You can search almost 10 dealers in whole North CA. and avg inventory is closer to 3 months of supply on dealer lots. and CA has more import car than US domestic brands.
66 Sonatas in Inventory.
http://www.sanjosehyundai.com/new-cars.aspx
36 in Inventory.
http://www.hyundaioffremont.com/new-...ventoryListing
55 in Inventory
http://www.sfhyundai.net/VehicleSear...w&make=Hyundai
55 in Inventory
http://www.cammisahyundai.com/NewVehicleSearch
And also you have no figures of how many each month that dealer sells. Our dealer cant get any or keep the ones they get on the lot.
(our acura dealer on the other had barely moves any thing)
12-04-2010, 10:08 AM
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Even the G is looking dated.
12-04-2010, 11:08 AM
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you have to also think i didnot include Fleet Sales of Sonata. that will reduce sale per month per dealer to less than 14. so how can some one claim that there is 16 days of Supply? that is ridiculous.
Texas has the best economy in US. so they should have very low inventory right
Fort woth Texas dealer 40 in Inventory.
http://www.hyundaimagic.com/inventor...ords0/SortBy0/
Austin dealer 79 in Inventory.
http://www.roundrockhyundai.com/new-cars.aspx
Houstan. 85 in Inventory.
http://www.northfreewayhyundai.com/h...searchnew.aspx
12-04-2010, 01:23 PM
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whatever makes you happy.
i didn't make that stuff up. 16 day supply is 16 day supply. bama plant's capacity was 300k initially. now it's upto 400k, but that's still not big enough especially when Hyundai is planning to make at least 170-180k elantras a year.
and hyundai can't compete with toyota yet because 800 vs. 1200 is a big difference. and Kia has less. dealership availability is extremely important for many people. there were no hyundai dealers in 25 mile radius where i used to live. and there were 2 toyota/honda dealers. it is a significant factor when buying a new car. 800 is more than enough, but again toyota has 1200. not too long ago toyota had twice more.
and many kia dealers are still shitty as hell. my local kia used to be right next to a crappy used car dealer in a shitty neighborhood. i don't care how nice their new cars are, many people don't even want to go anywhere near that neighborhood. fortunately, they just recently moved into previous chevy dealer in a better neighborhood, but they are still far away from a typical toyota/honda dealers.
i didn't make that stuff up. 16 day supply is 16 day supply. bama plant's capacity was 300k initially. now it's upto 400k, but that's still not big enough especially when Hyundai is planning to make at least 170-180k elantras a year.
and hyundai can't compete with toyota yet because 800 vs. 1200 is a big difference. and Kia has less. dealership availability is extremely important for many people. there were no hyundai dealers in 25 mile radius where i used to live. and there were 2 toyota/honda dealers. it is a significant factor when buying a new car. 800 is more than enough, but again toyota has 1200. not too long ago toyota had twice more.
and many kia dealers are still shitty as hell. my local kia used to be right next to a crappy used car dealer in a shitty neighborhood. i don't care how nice their new cars are, many people don't even want to go anywhere near that neighborhood. fortunately, they just recently moved into previous chevy dealer in a better neighborhood, but they are still far away from a typical toyota/honda dealers.
12-04-2010, 01:40 PM
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I didnot said you making stuff. it is Hyundia spokeman that is BS. As available evidence on the street is not supporting that asseration.
Price of comparably equiped Sonata is not moret than Accord and Sonata has longer warranty and better EPA economy. it is supposed to sell well.
Price of comparably equiped Sonata is not moret than Accord and Sonata has longer warranty and better EPA economy. it is supposed to sell well.
12-04-2010, 01:50 PM
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^ No, what you do have is a poor understanding of statistics.
12-04-2010, 02:19 PM
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The part I'm interested in is the part where you said "
but i can see Hyundai/kia outselling Honda/acura by end of next year."
You do know what you just said right? Honda/Acura are #2 out of Japan meaning they are ahead of Nissan/Infiniti.
To say that Hyundai will sell more than Honda/Acura, you are also saying Hyundai will sell more than Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti, which I say its impossible by the end of the year unless Hyundai offers Black Friday deals every week... .
but i can see Hyundai/kia outselling Honda/acura by end of next year."
You do know what you just said right? Honda/Acura are #2 out of Japan meaning they are ahead of Nissan/Infiniti.
To say that Hyundai will sell more than Honda/Acura, you are also saying Hyundai will sell more than Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti, which I say its impossible by the end of the year unless Hyundai offers Black Friday deals every week... .
YTD HK is only 40K behind NI - and w/ the new Elantra, Optima, Accent, Rio, etc. - it should be doable.
As for Honda/Acura, don't see HK overtaking H + A, but HK has a good shot of overtaking Honda, alone, in 2011.
I think why you see so many Hyundais in Korea is because.... well, isn't there a big tariff on any car that gets imported/not Korean? It only makes sense to buy a car that is just as good, almost as good or better or whatever if its like 2/3 the price. It's not that cut and dry, but yeah.
so there will next Sonata within 5 years. Sonata sales is stagnating near Altima level. Considering Maxima, QX, M.
where it say transaction price. V8 Genesis has sticker price of $40k not transaction. it is way lower.
By next year Sonata will be in same situation as Elantra/Accent today. there plenty of Sonata 2011 on sale.
By next year Sonata will be in same situation as Elantra/Accent today. there plenty of Sonata 2011 on sale.
Say - an avg of $3-3.5K off of sticker and the avg. transaction prices are very similar.
Also, ALG is predicting the 2011 Elantra to have the best residuals in its segment.
your basically in lalaland comparing Genesis with Acura.
Remember these are advertized prices. Transaction prices are far lower.
No Acura dealer will even advertize TSX for this price let alone TL. and you cant find any 2009 TL for $23K asking price with 20k miles. These prices are even lower than TSX.
Remember these are advertized prices. Transaction prices are far lower.
No Acura dealer will even advertize TSX for this price let alone TL. and you cant find any 2009 TL for $23K asking price with 20k miles. These prices are even lower than TSX.
12-04-2010, 02:46 PM
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I dont have poor understanding of Statistics. It is people who are justifiying
5th position of new model Sonata. compared to 4 to 5 year old Accord/Camry/Altima. with new Elantra it will futher cannablize Sonata sales.
It is not some complex modeling. any one can figure out from sale transaction price relative to MSRP what is in demand and what is in short supply.
Next year Nissan has decent minivan. They can potentiall launch new Altima/Sentra/G/MMC of Maxima. Nissan has far more attractive and high priced vehicles in line up than HK.
http://www.truecar.com/Hyundai/Genes...?zipcode=90401
5th position of new model Sonata. compared to 4 to 5 year old Accord/Camry/Altima. with new Elantra it will futher cannablize Sonata sales.
It is not some complex modeling. any one can figure out from sale transaction price relative to MSRP what is in demand and what is in short supply.
Next year Nissan has decent minivan. They can potentiall launch new Altima/Sentra/G/MMC of Maxima. Nissan has far more attractive and high priced vehicles in line up than HK.
http://www.truecar.com/Hyundai/Genes...?zipcode=90401
12-04-2010, 04:21 PM
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I dont have poor understanding of Statistics. It is people who are justifiying
5th position of new model Sonata. compared to 4 to 5 year old Accord/Camry/Altima. with new Elantra it will futher cannablize Sonata sales.
It is not some complex modeling. any one can figure out from sale transaction price relative to MSRP what is in demand and what is in short supply.
Next year Nissan has decent minivan. They can potentiall launch new Altima/Sentra/G/MMC of Maxima. Nissan has far more attractive and high priced vehicles in line up than HK.
http://www.truecar.com/Hyundai/Genes...?zipcode=90401
5th position of new model Sonata. compared to 4 to 5 year old Accord/Camry/Altima. with new Elantra it will futher cannablize Sonata sales.
It is not some complex modeling. any one can figure out from sale transaction price relative to MSRP what is in demand and what is in short supply.
Next year Nissan has decent minivan. They can potentiall launch new Altima/Sentra/G/MMC of Maxima. Nissan has far more attractive and high priced vehicles in line up than HK.
http://www.truecar.com/Hyundai/Genes...?zipcode=90401
12-04-2010, 04:25 PM
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Nissan>>>Hyundai/Kia
Doesnt matter if the recent HK designs have been great. Nissan has been making better/more reliable cars for years. HK still has a long way to go before they earn true respect in the Automotive world.
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Doesnt matter if the recent HK designs have been great. Nissan has been making better/more reliable cars for years. HK still has a long way to go before they earn true respect in the Automotive world.
Shift_Acura surprised at the amount of Hyundai fanboys here
12-04-2010, 04:45 PM
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Nissan>>>Hyundai/Kia
Doesnt matter if the recent HK designs have been great. Nissan has been making better/more reliable cars for years. HK still has a long way to go before they earn true respect in the Automotive world.
Shift_Acura surprised at the amount of Hyundai fanboys here
Doesnt matter if the recent HK designs have been great. Nissan has been making better/more reliable cars for years. HK still has a long way to go before they earn true respect in the Automotive world.
Shift_Acura surprised at the amount of Hyundai fanboys here
Hyundai/Kia will never outsell Honda/Acura or Nissan/Infiniti. Well to be not bias, not anytime soon anyways. People say they make better cars than Toyota, Honda or Nissan, but I don't see anyone will be willing to pass up a Camry, Accord or Altima for a Sonata. I'll admit present Hyundai is better than past Hyundai, but they are NOT better than Toyota, Honda or Nissan at the moment. Maybe Hyundai will be on their level in a few years.
12-04-2010, 04:49 PM
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It's a pretty good bet that Hyundai/Kia will overtake Nissan/Infiniti in sales next year.
YTD HK is only 40K behind NI - and w/ the new Elantra, Optima, Accent, Rio, etc. - it should be doable.
As for Honda/Acura, don't see HK overtaking H + A, but HK has a good shot of overtaking Honda, alone, in 2011.
YTD HK is only 40K behind NI - and w/ the new Elantra, Optima, Accent, Rio, etc. - it should be doable.
As for Honda/Acura, don't see HK overtaking H + A, but HK has a good shot of overtaking Honda, alone, in 2011.
12-04-2010, 04:54 PM
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Now for a Break from the Usual Bickering & Praising of Other Brands:
Acura announced today that November 2010 monthly sales were 10,718 which represent a 17.1% increase based on daily selling rate (DSR)*. Acura year-to-date sales reached 118,117-- a 24.6% increase over 2009 sales.
"As the market continues to recover, Acura sales are growing strong," said Jeff Conrad, vice president of Acura sales. "November marks the 10th consecutive month that Acura sales have experienced a double-digit increase."
Acura monthly sales were again led by the MDX luxury SUV with 4,191 units sold, an increase of 15.9% compared to November 2009. Sales of the RDX crossover SUV totaled 1,183 units, a 20.2% increase. Acura total truck sales for November were 5,530 representing a 20.2% increase versus November 2009 sales.
Acura car sales were led by the TSX sports sedan with 2,589 units sold, a 16.7% increase compared to November 2009. The TL performance luxury sedan tallied 2,431 units sold, an increase of 13.1%. Acura total car sales for November were 5,188 which represent a 14.0% increase.
For media information and high-resolution photos of all Acura vehicles, please visit www.acuranews.com. For consumer information, please visit www.acura.com.
*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 24 selling days for November 2010 and 23 days for November 2009. Year-to-date sales based on 279 days for 2010 versus 280 days for 2009.
*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 24 selling days for November 2010 and 23 days for November 2009. Year-to-date sales based on 279 days for 2010 versus 280 days for 2009.
12-05-2010, 12:26 AM
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Nice, congrats Acura. There is brand identity and recognition. Lord knows they aint selling them on styling.
12-05-2010, 01:27 AM
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