Costco

The only reason why it seems like people "hate" the TLX is because in other car threads when people go or "wtf?" it goes unchallenged.

But when you either criticize Acura or give props to Hyundai here on Acurazine, the thread blows up.

oonowindoo

No, "one-sided" discussion is not right.

You have to have someone to represent the fanboys.

JS + XES

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That's because my gif is always spot on. You and your fib brother make zero fking sense.

Again, SSFTSX>You.

oonowindoo

SSFTSX will find reasons why his TSX is superior than TLX.

Fibonacci

My kimchi brother from another mother, I'm not sure what my posts say that don't make sense. Please elaborate.

Fibonacci

What. I've. Been. Trying. To. Say. To. The. Haters. For. 20. Pages.

oonowindoo

you Kimchi too?

Fibonacci

Check w/ Sir Sarlacc.

iforyou

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Good point ttribe...lol.

It seems like you feel that I'm trying my best to defend Mat or something. I'd just like to make it clear that I wasn't. I'd just like to bring us back to my original post which started this discussion to illustrate:

Cliff notes of what I said:

- It's embarrassing that he couldn't answer quite a few questions
- Unlike people with PR/business people, this guy is either honest or just can't BS his way through
- When I said I doubt a chief engineer would know all the nitty gritty details, I really mean that literally. It's very hard to remember all the bulb sizes, screw sizes, bolt sizes, etc. That's on the extreme side perhaps, but I'd imagine that gets the point across
- I also emphasized how he couldn't convert from litre to US gallon right away. He could have just divide it by 4 and a bit and you get a good estimate

That's all I was saying. Not saying he is the best chief engineer ever. Not saying that chief engineer should know nothing, etc.

JS + XES

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We need to recruit SSFTSX to go against the fanboys.

No-sense vs No-sense.

I don't even like kimchi. I can't believe you are a Korean. Quite embarrassed.

Every single post of yours.

Fibonacci

Fibonacci

What was the "leap" you were hoping for? We know how this company operates. They've spent more $ on developing ASSIMO and an unprofitable light corporate jet than they have spent on building "red carpet athletes" for the past 10 years!


But back to my point, it is an incremental improvement:

1. Better transmissions.
2. Better lighting technology.
3. Better NVH.
4. Better performance.
5. Better styling.

oonowindoo

why is better styling #5?

and why is better wheel drive is not on the list?

Fibonacci

Wasn't ranked in any particular order, just a riposte to the BRZ mafia and their leghumping fan club.

JS + XES

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Agreed on the better styling.

Anything's better than this:



Was hoping for a little more aggressive design, but guess it'll do for now.

Fibonacci

Fair point. We'll have to drive it to see if its noticeably better after switching to hydraulic and lighter set-up.

Definitely prefer the mechanical vs heavier e-SH-AWD though. If the NSX is too heavy, it will definitely be a turn off for me.

ttribe

Wait, didn't you just lecture me for not focusing on the TLX, itself, rather than the sniping at hand? No, you don't get to lecture me for not sticking to the topic at hand the way you want, and then not do so yourself. I told you I didn't hate the TLX, but that I was disappointed in it, and you've completely ignored that element.

ttribe

This is part of the problem, fib, you acknowledge the need for improvement in the first post and the fact that the new gen is an actual improvement over the 4G, but then everyone who doesn't agree that it is enough of an improvement gets labelled a "hater" by you (and others). Where's the cliff that puts people into one camp or the other? I don't think anyone has disputed that the 5G is an improvement. It is. Unequivocally. Speaking only for myself, I see it as too little of one, though. They needed a splash to get back into the market; this isn't it. Now, you might argue they are content with their place in the market (that seems to be skd's argument, anyway), but if that's case then their execs shouldn't be sending the very public signals otherwise (e.g. go see the Acura marketing thread).

In short, this company is all over the map. On one hand, they say they want to compete with "the Germans" and Lexus, and then on the other they come out with a brand new sedan (arguably the most important reveal in the last 10 years) that is only a slight incremental improvement on one of the worst designs in their history. That's what frustrates the hell out of me. Stop saying one thing, and then doing another, Acura! Either own that you're the Japanese Buick or show that you are better, but this in-between act isn't working and that's being borne out in the sales numbers.

qingcong

Yes, meanwhile your 100 gifs of the same picture, "cool story bro" club, noob fanboy namecalling, zero posts relevant to the TLX, hypocritical posts, bandwagon insults have thankfully added so much to this thread and demonstrated your immense intelligence.

JS + XES

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skd2k1

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actually I was pointing out your inconsistency. you call out fib for being "obnoxious" while you turn a blind eye to the gif master. inconsistent you are.

skd2k1

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^clearly infatuated with that gif aren't you? it's getting creepy dude.

justnspace

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just saying; you guise are putting in a lot of effort to sway one way or another when the car hasnt even come out yet.

just like the thread in the TLX section titled "Will the TLX come with Good Year tires?"

fsttyms1

ttribe

Pay close attention this time as it seems you didn't get the point the first go around (https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=8824), and this is the last time I'm going to explain this to you - I am under no obligation to be "consistent"; nor do I intend to try.

I said what I did to Fib because of his repeated practice of referring to me, specifically, with cheap insults completely out of the blue and for no reason; see here, for example - https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=8745. That I am not the only one he's been harassing in such a manner is ancillary icing on the cake.

I place zero value in your opinion on my "consistent" treatment of obnoxiousness in this thread, or any other. Even were I to muster up an ounce of caring over the matter, I suspect your measure of "consistent" is arbitrary, transient, and impossible to achieve. Thus, any time spent trying to keep up with your expectations on the issue, let alone even care about your expectations, is a waste.

JS + XES

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Posting in this thread requires pretty much no effort.

Just rambling til the car comes out.

If the car had much substance for us to really discuss about, all these non-sense posts wouldn't be here.

At the end of the day, nobody is going to be "swayed". Fanboys only read and believe what they want to read and believe.

Legend2TL

same as someone who wrote

Legend2TL

Bottom line chief engineer should have know the fuel capacity and even more so know the conversion from liter/gallon. Middle shool kids are even taught that.

As for what is fair game to ask?
Jalopnik arraigned for the C7 chief engineer Tadge Juechter to answer any questions in a online forum.

http://jalopnik.com/ask-corvette-z06...1500006288/all

From the chat session so far I learned

• No cocaine was used in the engineering of the C7
• He knew the supercharger manufacturer (Eaton), type (roots) and flow (1.7 liter/rev) but not the HP loss
• Explained why no DCT
• The ZR1 will have afterburners
• Packaging and response was why turbo's were not used

No, no you weren't

Fibonacci

Oh ye great defender of harrassment! If I can take in stride vitriol such as "owning FUGLY", "fucking beakmobile", or "apologist". Surely you can handle some gentle ribbing for driving a Two Ton Autoshifting Cabriolet.

If you can't, then perhaps you should take your frayed deck of hypocritical cards to another gaming table because you butthurt too easily. As my grandmama used to say, If you can't stand the heat...

Fibonacci

I've consistently said, don't knock it until you drive it. Pretty simple.

ttribe

And I've said any of those things about you or you car exactly, when?

Are you proud of making yourself a pest?

So? What does that have to do with you attempting to marginalize anyone who disagrees with you by labeling them as a "hater?"

qingcong

And indeed, what little effort and thought go into your posts.

Fibonacci

You leghumped posters who said such things.

Get over yourself. Before you pick out the speck in my eye, pick out the log in your own.

If you feel marginalized because I call you a hater for hating a car you haven't driven yet, thats your problem, not mine.

skd2k1

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summary of jrz's posts: ad hom + rob ryan gif. not necessarily in that order. done and done.

jiggaman

JS + XES

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Summary of qingcong Fibonacci skd2k1 posts.

I haz Acura. I love Acura. I must defend Acura.

I don't care what you haters think.

Oh yes, you do.

EhkoXC

Wow, this shit is STILL going on? I thought the stupid sniping from BOTH sides would die out at least 5 pages ago, but it's the same crap over and over. GET OVER IT.

And I thought Ramblings could get bad...

jiggaman

iforyou

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I think I see where you are coming from and I think that's a good point. It seems though the expectations are a bit too high though (which again is understandable given how important the TLX will be to Acura for their sedan revival).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that when you said "they needed a splash," instead of what we are seeing right now, you expect Acura to come up a sedan that would really kick @$$. Exterior, it would need to look as handsome as an Audi, as sporty as a BMW, and as elegant and classy as a Mercedes. For the interior, it needs to have both form and functions. In other words, the interior must be well built and designed with quality that is on par with Audi. For the chassis, it must out handle and drives better than the latest ATS, while delivering comfort level on par with Lexus and Mercedes. The engine must be more powerful than the 335i and S4, while the tranny must be a DCT type with more ratios than 335i. Performance needs to be the best in class, while achieving the best EPA ratings. For features, the base trim must be better equipped than anyone else. The top of the line model must include features found on all rivals, plus more. In terms of price, because it's an Acura, it must be priced like one. That means it needs to start at sub $30k, and cannot be more than $45k for the top model. On top of all those, the TLX must be as reliable and safe as any Honda.

If that's not the case, perhaps you can describe what you think the TLX should have been like.

ttribe

How, exactly, did I supposedly do this? Put or shut up time.

You're right. I really should stop lobbing inflammatory insults at individual posters on this board at (seemingly) random intervals for no other reason than to piss people off when it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Oh, wait...that's not me.

Did I say I feel marginalized? No. I criticized your effort to engage in a tactic of attempting to marginalize your debate opponent(s).

BTW, I am repeating myself - I don't hate the TLX. I'm disappointed in it. There's a difference.