I've been a fan of what acura does since the 2nd gen legend. even today I still like the look of that legend, coupe and 4-door, but that design was conservative and it didn't have best in class power (both the ls and q45 had v8's). so I don't see that the philosophy at acura is drastically different now then it ever was, and the positioning relative to market competition doesn't seem so different either. seems like some folks have a case of nostalgia.

 

Fixed it. I must now take remedial spelling in Latin.

That may very well be, but that doesn't make the person on the receiving end of the "noob" comment "right", by definition; which is what you said.

 

(Legend Legend Legend Legend Legend
Legend Legend Legend Legend Legend) x 100
SUCKS! haha

 

Yeah, I think if you take everyone's opinion on here it tends to average out to the norm, but I think some may be mistaken that their own personal opinion is the opinion of the entire Acurazine. Also, I think that back in the day when the 04 TSX and TL came out, there weren't so many outspoken internet critics as there are now. The dynamic of the internet has changed.

 

No it hasn't, Acura got worse and people started criticizing it.

 

Honda numbers have credibility.
actual numbers of 6MT Accord are 28.6mpg beating Mazda 6 Auto by 3mpg
I would predict TLX will surpass all its competition with 9speed auto and most aerodynamic body.

 

Most aerodynamic body, now. The list just keeps growing.

 

Acura's making the same cars as they've always been making since their legendary 90s heyday - underpowered FWD fancied-up economy cars.

 

And back then all the other automakers were standing up and taking notice of what these cars were doing, and trying to imitate it.

These days Acura is lost in a crowd of people who flew past them as they lost their way.

What car in the 90s looked like the integra? What car in the late 80s had 4WS and lines like the 3rd gen prelude (other than ferrari) even though that is a Honda its worth noting.

What "affordable" car other than the NSX made the exotics stand up and take notice and go back to the drawing board?

The legend coupe? a timeless design that still looks fantastic even today.

Their gamble with the 5cyl vigor? Which in reality was a pretty decent car.

Look at their competition back then and what acura did.

Look at their competition now, and what acura isn't doing.

 

Nope. Not good enough of a reply. Try again.

 

people who sure talk up the accord so much should really sit and drive one. yes its nice for its segment but luxury its not even close. i guarantee you the tlx will be much more refined with much better fit and finish. come on guys, the accord is still an accord.

 

getting there. Try adding more body parts.

 

Post like this deserved to be called noob.

you realllly think we don't know the difference between Accord and a TL or TLX???

No shit TL or TLX is better than Accord in pretty much every way, you don't have to guarantee anything. '

but at $30k Accord V6 touring with LED headlight vs. $32k Base 4 banger TLX is where the problem is.

 

Most aerodynamic body made me to go

 

:noob:

 

exactly, anyone saying otherwise has a serious case of nostalgia.

 

Ahhhhhh

I still remember the day I went to the Acura dealership to pick up my brand new 2005 TL.

That car looked fantastic to me. The A-spec lip kit made it even better. Wish I bought a 6MT one back then.

Honestly, I still think 3G TL looks not that dated even though the design is basically 10 year old.

As for the 4G TL, it was fking ugly to begin with and still is fking ugly. No matter what you do to it, it still looked like a fat sea creature.

 

Historians you are not.

 

Our point is - compare Acura's powertrain options from 10, 20 years ago to now. Then do the same with any other manufacturer today.

They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.

 

never claimed to be a historian, but facts are facts. like I said, all the way back in 1990, the legend had a v6 w/fwd and it's competitors (ls/q45) were v8 rwd with more power.

 

A company is making exactly the same thing as it did previously, even in the face of growing competition in one of the more competitive segments of the market.

This is a winning strategy?

 

To the clueless fanboys, that's a winning strategy since they own them.

Clear and simple. This is nothing new.

 

that wasn't the point I was making. the point, like it or not, is that acura has remained pretty consistent with it's philosophy relative to it's competition.

 

so you now finally realized they have been offering the same shit for the past decade while the competition has moved on.

 

lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.

 

 

you clearly have no valid argument here. :waitsforaccusationofnoobandfanboy:

 

They basically still lead the pack as far as N/A engines. If I'm not mistaken, I believe no other N/A production 4 cylinder puts out more HP than the K24Z7 or K24W7. Lexus has a V6 that puts out less power than these engines. Unlike Hyundai (especially Hyundai), Mazda Skyactiv, or Ford Ecoboost, you can actually trust Honda's EPA ratings, just check fuelly.com. Other companies are getting more bang for the buck by going turbo while Honda/Acura and even Lexus, Infiniti, seem to be sticking to their N/A roots.

Both approaches have pros and cons. The Japanese companies seem to be more careful about these kinds of untested technologies, which isn't necessarily bad. Don't forget about Audi with their carbon deposits in their early DI cars; some guy documented a 30-40hp loss over 20,000 miles or so due to carbon deposits.

 

Revisionist history here, the Integra and Legend are always untouchable now.

The Legend coupe had to go up against the RWD Lexus SC300/400, which was a badass looking car.

The NSX, which is my favorite car ever, was underpowered the day it was released.

If the Vigor was a pretty decent car that didn't sell well, then you have to acknowledge that maybe the 4G TL or TLX are also pretty decent cars that didn't/won't sell well.

No other car looked like the Integra, but also no other car looked like the Camry either.

 

I would say the GS competes with the Legend/RLX.

Acura has nothing on the level of the LS. And they never have.

The IS250 putting out the same amount of power as a TSX is not surprising... they are almost same displacement, after all. The IS250 still has an advantage in torque. Another problem is that the German competitors are making turbocharged engines. The horsepower might be close, but the torque difference is big.

It's nice to compare apples-to-applies but that's not how the competition plays now. They offer engines that Acura has nothing to compete with (turbo 6-cylinders, V8s)

 

Why the heck would lexus need to change when they are already V8 RWD?

 

 

the 2nd gen legend was meant to compete against the ls and q45 at that time.

that's not a new development though, lexus and infiniti were offering v8's way back in 1990.

 

Noobs and fanboys. They deserve themselves.

Nokia made the best mobile phones at one point. Then everyone moved on to smartphones. But Nokia kept making the best 'dumb' mobile phones they could! Same philosophy!

Acura can keep making the best FWD NA pseudo-sporty pseudo-luxury 4-cylinders they want. People will buy them, but not as much as before, certainly. The era of them leading anything or defining the market as they did in the 90s has passed them.

Even noobs and fanboys are admitting they are running under the same tired philosophy...

 

again, that's not the point I'm making. in 1990 acura intended for the fwd v6 legend to compete against the rwd v8's of the q45 and ls.

 

when did acura lead the luxury market? be specific. thanks.

 

None of my conversations have been about engines.

Design and chassis.

 

No it hasn't. They've been all over place. At one point saying they were going to go after tier 1. They've flip flipped over the decades lost because Honda kept right reigns.

 

The original sc hasn't aged as well as the legend coupe in terms of design.

The nsx was a handling beast that made Ferrari re-evaluate everything from the ground up. How many companies have the honor of influencing the exotics?

The vigor didn't sell well but it wasn't ugly as shit. It actually had/has a bit of a cult following.

The integra was unique in design. You can't say that about the Camry.

 

How well did they do in that venture?

You need not tell me how the 2G RL did against the LS or even the GS... yikes.