AZuser

Was curious about out-going 2G TL sales....

2G TL sales
TLX sales
So in the first full month (Sep 2014) of TLX sales, it sold 227 more units (+6.21%) vs the out-going 2G TL did in Sep 2003.

Fibonacci

I would probably check the stats again perhaps in the spring when production is ramped up and dealer lots have full inventory.

Legend2TL

skd2k1

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say what you will, but near 5k units sold is a great month for acura. no one said it was the best month on record, but it's looking good thus far. of course some folks just view the world as a glass half empty.

MeehowsBRZ

And hey, the TLX KILLED RLX sales figures in October.

Joneill44

Not sure if its been posted yet. Its not worth going through all the bs in this thread to find it

I was at my local Acura dealer for service and had a quick talk with the GM.

GM: You dont many type-s around here
Me: Its too bad acura wont make another
GM: Acura has already planned a type-s for the TLX

I asked if it was a vaporcar and he laughed so who knows. Maybe we'll see one in a couple years

justnspace

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when was the last time you trusted a dealer with rumor info?

Joneill44

Never trust them, but if its true I'm taking on breaking it

skd2k1

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acura has hinted at the type-s tlx twice now as far as I know. first time was in the prototype vid where the acura rep suggested there will be a future model with exposed exhausts.

autoweek article:
"A sportier version of the TLX was repeatedly hinted at by Acura personnel, but there’s no saying what might be under the hood of that. Honda’s rekindled interest in forced induction raises some interesting possibilities, though. Hey, the racing version of the TLX uses a twin-turbo V6, so we can dream."

there's a thread on this as well:

TLX Type S coming

https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g...coming-917514/

MeehowsBRZ

Acura, screwing things up so badly that they need to hype exposed exhaust tips.

SamDoe1

It's that kind of thrill.

iforyou

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That's why I've been saying that comparing sales stats from a decade ago is no longer relevant. The market nowadays is totally different than a decade ago. A decade ago, quite a few competitors were still finding their feet, namely CTS, IS, A4, and G35. Nowadays, all competitors in this segment are extremely competitive. There are also more competitors, such as Regal, LaCrosse, and MKZ. The German brands are also expanding their line up to cover the lower end market with their $30k cars such as the A3 and CLA.

As such, what we should be looking at is the current market. How does the TLX do right now against the competitors?

oonowindoo

Technically it is TL + TSX against the competitors.

AcuraVic

If your not looking for performance, the 2.4L fully loaded is $35k, $37k out the door with Tech Package. No SH-AWD with the 2.4L, but you get the AWS (all wheel steering). I'm not a fan of AWS, but a fully loaded small/mid size Lux car for $37K is really good.

Mugen.Justice

Acura teams with Galpin to sport-up the 2015 TLX - Autoblog

GAS TLX at SEMA. Sheesh, what a difference.

civicdrivr

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If you need to say it, you're doing it wrong.

MTEAZY

Looks like it should be a Legacy Spec B or something... I'm giving up on this company.

Fibonacci

Exactly. If you build performance products, then people will not just talk about them, they will buy them. Acura is still a bit lost.

But in the meantime...

DEEPLY DISCOUNTED POWER PLENUMS FOR MANKIND

fsttyms1

Exactly. Dont say it, SHOW IT. If it DOESNT look like it is, odds are it isnt. Quit trying to fool yourselves and actually do something about it. The rest of us arent fooled.

fsttyms1

Belzebutt

Can I buy it? No?

Then WHO CARES. Anybody can tart up a car with a body kit at an auto show.

SamDoe1

The day I can walk into an Acura dealership and buy that is the day I'll start paying more attention to this brand. Until then I'm looking elsewhere.

Also, just looking good doesn't cut it. That thing will need more power and a proper gearbox.

kurtatx

DCT and 6MT. It's a real shame the company known for it's S2K gearbox seems to ignore manuals.

justnspace

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its not that they are ignoring manuals, its that the sales numbers speak for themselves.

no one wants a 6mt in an entry level luxury car.
or a very few do.

and this is why Acura is still fucking confused on what it wants to be.
a sporty luxury brand?
or a luxury brand?

SamDoe1

Agree, it makes total sense to not bother putting a 6MT into the TLX as it stands right now. The take rate would be so low that it would rival RLX sales.

But if they bring out a sport model, and one that really qualifies as a sport model, then a 6MT makes sense and the take rate would be quite a bit higher than the standard car. At the very least, it should have the DCT that has a sport tune on it.

RPhilMan1

If you don't want 6MT TLXs sitting on dealer lots, fine, I can understand.

But why can't I order one and have it built at the factory? I'll gladly wait.

00TL-P3.2

Agreed. I wish more manufacturers would allow for some partial 'a la carte' orders.

oonowindoo

if anything i am willing to pay MORE for 6mt option.

Charge me 1000-2000 more as long as it is offered. I am ok with that.

SamDoe1

I love manuals just as much as the next guy but the cost to add in an option like this is enormous, in the tens of millions of dollars. Not only is there the upfront design engineering time but there's also design testing, reliability testing, finding a supplier, giving that supplier enough business/money to make it worth their time to produce, then that supplier has to get their own suppliers, stock inventory, manufacturing differences in tooling/processes, etc.

There's a lot more to it than just shoehorning a manual transmission into a car and for a North America only car like the TLX, it's just not worth it.

I'd love to have a TLX with a manual but I do understand why they didn't do it.

I'm not sure what you do for a living but the amount of engineering time that goes into even changing a headlight lens (for example) is enormous. It's not just change a CAD model and hit go.

YOU are one person and even if every single person on this forum went out and bought a 6MT TLX Advance tomorrow, we'd be half of a drop in the bucket for their overall sales both in units sold and revenue.

civicdrivr

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Lol at engineering expense. The drivetrain in the TLX SHAWD, save the direct injection, is largely a carry over from the 4G TL, which was available with a 6MT. Want to know why the take rate on the 6MT TL was so low? Because it was hideous. The take rate on the 4G TL as a whole was low; to base an argument over whether they should have a manual option on the TLX on the failure of the 4G is ridiculous.

I do agree that a 6MT should be available, but I don't think it would sell with the current engine options. Most of the buyers of the TLX (at least around here) are women in their 40s. Thats not exactly the best audience to market a 6MT to. Acura needs a Type S with north of 320hp. That's the only way they'll attract a wide enough audience that is also interested in a 6mt.

oonowindoo

I remember someone from Dodge Challenger Hellcats release Ad said: "sometimes it is not about the $, it is just because."

If all Manuf only care about $$, then BMW can drop all of its M cars and focus on 3 and 5 series only. Merc can stop making their $200k cars, as well as every niche cars you can imagine.

None of them really make $$ for the company, but they make it so people will know companies like Lexus can make more than just a ppl carrier.

Same concept can apply to 6mt.

iforyou

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My understanding is that the 3G TL 6MT take rate was also quite low. Can someone confirm with proof like an URL?

The SH-AWD drivetrain is not a carryover from the 4G TL AWD. The 4G TL AWD had a 3.7L V6 without DI. The TLX has the new 3.5L DI engine. As per Acura's press release, the TLX uses a new generation SH-AWd system. The old system was an electromagnetic unit, and the new one is hydraulically controlled. The new system is 25% lighter with less friction. The rear drive unit is now overdriven by 2.7%, as opposed to 1.7% in the old system.

With that said, I do agree that if Acura is serious about making the TLX a performance oriented car, then it should offer the 6MT option even if it means losing money. However, despite what Acura marketing is telling us, the TLX is clearly not a performance oriented luxury sedan.

justnspace

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The TLX uses the same J-series 3.5l engine found in every other Honda....

its not new.

iforyou

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What you are saying is right if you are just looking at the broad picture. It's just a J series with 3.5L displacement plus DI.

However, I was referring to the TL vs TLX discussion as per above.

By new, I meant that this exact engine was not in the TL line up before. This iteration of the J35 is only available in the MDX (RLX's one is slightly different again).

Hope this clears things up.

SamDoe1

Even packaging the same components into a different body is a substantial amount of work being that you need to prove the form fit and finish of those components in a new housing. Engineering expense isn't cheap and doing the work to package a new 6MT housing to fit the new blocks is a sizeable effort even if the guts are the same. On top of that, those parts still have to be manufactured, stocked, and installed. Are you going to generate a whole supply chain to sell 5k units a year? Probably not.

I don't work in cars, but I work in parts that cost ~$1.50 to produce at runs of hundreds of thousands of units and we don't do custom builds simply because it's too expensive to do it and no one wants to pay the cost increase.

MB has essentially the same transmission in various states of tune in every car they make other than the V12 models and those already have the cost baked in. When you're talking hundreds of thousands for a niche model, it's easy to ask people to pay the cost increase. No one is going to balk at a $10k premium when the car itself is $180k.

Lexus doesn't offer any manuals.

BMW M cars are directed to a whole different market than a TLX. No one is going to cross shop an M3 with an Acura of any kind. Also, they have enough of a sales base to require and sell enough manuals to make the effort worth it. Not enough people buying Acuras gave a crap about the 6MT and it's not because it's ugly, it's because very few people wanted it.

The block is new in order to mate to the ZF 9AT and to accommodate the direct injection. Even if the guts are old, the housing still needs to be designed, tested, validated, sourced, and manufactured differently. No matter how minor that difference is, it's still a difference and that costs money.

YEH

Autoweek review.

2015 Acura TLX SH-AWD Advance review notes | Autoweek

RPhilMan1

Ouch.

skd2k1

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^but but but cl-s 6mt and s2k!

I really don't get the obsession with proto versus the production model. so we lost some chrome, side mirrors and wheels...boohoo.

oonowindoo

Personal attack alert: You are an idiot.

what is the difference between TLX and a Porsche 918?

other than engine, exterior and interior, they are pretty much the same.

Black Tire

transportation appliance?????? Oh man...that brings back memories of this video

Start at 7:30 into this video