Will Y.

Actually, the TLX V6 is well below the class average in acceleration based on the tested 0-60 times of 6+ seconds in the linked Autoweek and Wall Street Journal articles thus far. The C&D road test digest in December 2014 issue does have the 335i and Q50 under 5 in 0-60, with the ATS V6, A4 2.0 and IS350 F-Sport in the mid-5s.
C&D, MT, etc. don't have instrumented test times yet for the TLX V6.

No Acura TLX or IS250 is listed in C&D's December 2014 road test digest, either.

I guess we can look forward to C&D, MT, etc. comparos of the TLX and its competitors to settle the issue for you.

ttribe

The X1 is even worse...it's a $30,000 roundel with a free car. Just awful.

Unfortunately, BMW's corporate motto appears to be "Maximize Brand Dilution" these days.

oonowindoo

The most essential option:

You cannot choose "lines" So regardless what you want to add to it, it will look like a base model.

And the option list and the content of each option is watered down compared to 328 or 335.

And many of the standard trims and features are all options on 320.

VR1

I remember looking at the X1 when it first came out since it the base price was near the TSX. The one they showed was stickered at like $37,000 and still didn't have power seats. I looked at the 320i too.. It was like $9k more with the same features that are standard on a corolla.

Fibonacci

TLX is getting stellar highway mileage. Pleasant surprise that its been better than advertised.

Legend2TL

The key is "well", which in this context means better than prior model sales. The Cobalt never did well as shown by it's sales.



Despite Lutz overseeing development the Colbalt was a failure, so much so it's replacement was named the Cruz.
Like the 4G TL, 9G Civic, the new Colbalt had less sales than the previous model.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/bu...rket.html?_r=0

Sometimes economy and other factors play in but those three and other vehicles (former colleague was on the 8G Thunderbird engineering team which had it's sales cut ~1/2 each year from 1980-82 ) did not do well because of the product. Sometimes it can be resurrected i.e. the early Civic MMC redesign. Sometimes it takes a outsider to state the obvious, like Peter Schutz did at Porsche in the early 80's to restart 911 development and redesign the 924 into the 944.

If a new model decreases in sales to the prior that's a failure in the classic business model, unless you're Blackberry .

Not thrilled with the TLX however I like it alot more than the 4G. Acura produced a better overall model than the previous TL and so far that's indicated with the positive sales increases which will probably get to 7K/month.

FWIW, had a Cruz as a rental couple weeks ago on a business trip and it was OK. Nice interior lighting at night too.

civicdrivr

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Its nice to see GM is still hung up on the indiglo green backlighting.

iforyou

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No kidding!

I already mentioned that Edmunds, Autobytel video, TOV, and Motor Trend for the TLX V6, where it's doing 0-60mph between 5.5 to 6s.

Here are the links again:
2015 Acura TLX 3.5 SH-AWD First Test - Motor Trend

The Temple of VTEC - Honda and Acura Enthusiasts Online Forums > TLX > > Re: I was told the TLX transmission logic "learns" (new 0-60 times)

2015 Acura TLX Road Test Specs | Edmunds.com


You are correct that Car and Driver has yet to test the TLX V6.

Car and Driver did an actual test of the TLX 2.4 and the article was in the November issue. Here is the online link:
2015 Acura TLX 2.4L Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

In that test, the TLX 2.4 did 0-60mph in 6.8s.

TOV managed to do 0-60mph in 6.5s for the TLX 2.4, however, most of the other 10 runs or so were 6.7s consistently:
The Temple of VTEC - Honda and Acura Enthusiasts Online Forums > TLX > > Re: 2015 TLX 2.4 Tech 0-60 times

Motor Trend also did a test and they got 7.2s.

As I have been saying, 335i, S4, and C400 are in another league as they would do 0-60mph in mid 4's and 1/4 mile in mid 13's, trapping at 106mph or so. IS350, A4 2.0T, 328i, TLX V6, ATS 2.0T/3.6, C300, etc are much closer to each other in terms of straight line performance. We are talking about 0-60mph in mid 5's (IS350, ATS 3.6, 328i) to low 6's (C300, ATS 2.0T) and 1/4 mile in the 14's at 95-100mph. The Q50 is somewhere in between (0-60mph around 5s flat and 1/4 mile in the high 13's at 100-105mph.

JS + XES

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Do you know how much those M pkg front and rear bumper? Those are the game changers in terms of look for 3s imo. Love them.

JS + XES

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And here we go again on 0-60 magazine times for TLX. Jesus.

oonowindoo

There are a lot more to it then just the exterior pieces.

but if you just want the Front, rear bumper and side skirt.. there are replicas on ebay that even comes with M performance lips with decent fitment. $1000+ paint. fitments are pretty good.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-14-BMW-F30-M-Sport-Performance-Tech-NO-PDC-Full-Kit-Bumper-Cover-Side-Skirt-/171335838174?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27e46969de&vxp=mtrhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/12-14-BMW-F30-3-SERIES-M-STYLE-SPORTS-FRONT-BUMPER-SIDE-SKIRTS-REAR-BUMPER-/191165386580?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c82584f54&vxp=mtr

If you want OEM pieces......... x2 i would assume

JS + XES

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Damn! Not bad.

320i+those+chip+sticky tires+6mt. That's a fun DD. Don't need any freaking infortainment crap.

oonowindoo

Except it still has fat ass steering wheel, no brembo, super soft suspension.

Might as well get the 328 m sport 6mt.

JS + XES

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That works too.

oonowindoo

Then might as well get a base 335 m sport 6th for a few thousand more...

See how smart BMW'S pricing strategy is? Haha

JS + XES

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Yep. That's why they are #1.

oonowindoo

You thinking about getting a dd soon?

Will Y.

You do not need to repeat your links-- those don't negate the links in my prior posts or C&D road test summary.
BTW, Edmunds has the TLX doing 0-60 in 6.4, and the TofV tester did one run on an unidentified course without certified timing equipment--probably going downhill, too.

Yes, the 335, S4 and C400 are in another league-- but shouldn't be for the top-of-the-range TLX.

That's close to correct, except that the TLX V6 SH-AWD seems to be a 6-second 0-60 car at best based on instrumented testing thus far, and slower in the quarter mile than all competitors besides the C300 and ATS 2.0.

MT noted that the 4G TL SH-AWD was [lots] faster than the TLX SH-AWD, and the TSX was within a tenth of the fastest TLX V6 in the 1/4 mile.

When the 3G and 4G TL gens came out, they were at the top performance-wise compared to competitors-- not carrying up the rear, which the TLX V6 seems to be doing.

The TLX is better-sized (smaller) and doesn't look as horrendous as the 4G TL. Maybe C&D and/or R&T will get better numbers out of the TLX V6, too.

I'll quit now.

JS + XES

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When we have a baby.. it's likely be the end of next year probably.

That's okay, Will Y. haha :wink:

kurtatx

Might have a new Speed3 to consider by then!

Although I guess the BRZ is already a good enough fun car.

JS + XES

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Oh yeah, I heard Mazda is shoving AWD into the Speed3! That should be a good competitor to WRX in the same price range. And yeah, BRZ is insanely fun and the aftermarket support is massive! Once it's fully paid off and out of warranty, it's going to get some serious work done to it and become a second car.

But yeah, it'll be fun to shop for a decent DD once we have a baby!

kurtatx

I see a Forester in your future.

2XT version.

JS + XES

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I love Foresters!

Legend2TL

Agree with your last statement above but MT didn't say that.
Apples to apples or AT to AT the TLX AT is slightly faster than the TL AT and TSX AT in either FWD or AWD but is slower for TL MT AWD .

00TL-P3.2

Except, no 6MT, CVT only

AZuser

I blame the tires.

fsttyms1

I blame the mirrors.

civicdrivr

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You kidding? Tires had nothing to do with it.










It was the mirrors

Legend2TL

It was superior ground clearance

RPhilMan1

Ouch, $2,150 for navigation?! Guess it's not needed with smartphones anyway.

320i $32,950
Mineral Grey Metallic $550
Black Dakota Leather (how is the Sensatec? Worth paying the $1,450 for leather?) $1,450
Silver Matte Trim $0
Cold Weather Package (a must here) $950
Lighting Package (must have Xenon) $900
Sport Package $1,400
Manual Transmission $0
Enhanced USB + Bluetooth $500
Moonroof $1,050 (I use mine all the time)
$40,700

Would love the Premium Package but damn it's $3,100. It would be nice if you could add the Comfort Access keyless entry as an option. After having it now I pretty much can't go without it.

How much is a tune? $600? Would definitely do that.

Actually think the 320i looks great, especially with lighting and sport package.

328i with nothing but M Sport is $42,400. It looks better but I'd rather have the loaded 320i and I could modify the aesthetics myself.

But damn, with Cold + Lighting Package (Cold Weather Package requires leather, so +$1,450 for Black Dakota Leather), MT, moonroof, and Harman Kardon, Enhanced USB + BT is $48,125.

335i with M Sport, Leather, Cold, MT, Enhanced USB + BT, and Harman Kardon is $52,025. If I was shopping 328i why not spring for the 335i for just $3,900 more?

Result: loaded 320i for $40k would be my target, otherwise if looking to spend $50k just go for 335i.

320i xDrive loaded to my liking is $42,400. I wonder what I'd think comparing that with TLX V6 SH-AWD Tech ($42,370) after driving them both. Would also tune 320i for sure.

Thanks, that was fun researching!

Focus RS with AWD and Mazdaspeed3 with AWD would be a great addition to the mix.

skd2k1

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+1

charliemike

Hey look, it's the Acura fanatics coming to the rescue of executives that don't give a shit about them:

MeehowsBRZ

Supposedly there's a STI in the works. I'd guess that would have a MT in it.

00TL-P3.2

That would be awesome.

kurtatx

Meehow is right. They just teased it at the end of October. I added a news page for it as it didn't already have one as far as I could find.

iforyou

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Sorry man..please just ignore me and Will...for now...hahaha

Yea with chip, bumpers, tires, and all those, wouldnt the 320i get really close to 328i pricing?? I don't know....

The Edmunds time of 6.4s is without the 1ft roll out. With it, it is 6s flat. Car and Driver and Motor Trend uses the 1ft roll out method.

Don't worry, TOV doesn't pull weird shxt like that. That's a bit of an insult to Jeff, don't you think? He's been testing cars for over a decade. Besides, I have no idea what instruments those WSJ or whatever links use too.

Yes, the 335, S4 and C400 are in another league-- but shouldn't be for the top-of-the-range TLX, IS350, ATS 3.6, etc.

Again, the TLX V6 AWD has been proven to do 0-60mph in 5.5 to 6s, with a 1/4 mile trap speed of 98-99mph. Those times suggest that the TLX V6 AWD is a couple tenths of a second and a couple mph slower than IS350, ATS 3.6, on par with 328i, and A4 2.0T, and faster than C300 and ATS 2.0T. That's right in the middle of the pack, not quite "below" average as suggested before. And as JS + BRZ would say, are we really so hung up on a couple tenths of a second and mph??

Yes, the 4G TL 6MT is much faster from 0-60mph thanks to the ability to clutch dump at 4000rpm. And the TSX V6 was a decent performer too, no doubt.

For sure, let's see what C/D can do with the TLX V6. We know C/D was able to get 6.8s with the TLX 2.4, while Motor Trend got 7.2s. And we also know Motor Trend got 5.9s in the TLX V6, so I wouldn't be surprised if C/D gets mid 5's in the TLX V6. We will see.

oonowindoo

It will get really close to 328. The only difference between 320 and 328 is the options and detuned engine.

But for those who want a stripper with mod potentials, 320 is the way to go.

it does not take much to get over 240 whp without paying all the extras that will be replaced by aftermarket anyways (exterior pieces, brake, exhaust, suspension)

oonowindoo

I still think TLX FWD/SHAWD V6 is competing with 335, S4, C400, IS350 and all the other top trim entry level luxury brand.

just because it is not really competitive anymore for the TLX in terms of performance, does not mean it is no longer in the same segment. You are saying TLX is competing with IS350 and It is already established that IS350 is competing with 335 for many years and somehow TLX is targeting 328?

CL/TL was competing with 330. 3G TL was competing with 330. 4G TL was competition with 335 and all of a sudden the new TLX V6 is competing with 328?

regardless what the performance #s are, it just shows Acura is either going backwards or the its main competition is leaving Acura behind.

skd2k1

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335 is in a different league in terms of performance and price, so I don't see how the tlx is meant to compete with that. you'd be way over $50k to get similar equipment in a 335.

cl-s 6mt couldn't perform at same level as the 330i sport of the same year. 3g type-s did not perform at same level as 335i of the same year.

oonowindoo

you are confused with the term Competing and Beating.

similarly equipped 5 series and E Class also cost a shit load more than RLX.... it does not mean they are not in the same class/segment and competitors.