Acura: TLX News
#9081
I drive a Subata.
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Nobody.
Most of us are saying that it looks disappointing.
Nobody said anything about how it drives since nobody has seen the data nor driven the car yet.
I don't know why some of you guys are keep on saying that people are disregarding TLX before even driving it.
Driving has nothing to do with judging how the car looks.
#9083
I drive a Subata.
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I don't care what people have said about 3G TL 10 years ago.
That has nothing to do with some of you guys are saying right now.
This is a completely different situation.
That has nothing to do with some of you guys are saying right now.
This is a completely different situation.
#9084
The exception here is that the E30, E36, E46, and even the 3G TL are all considered either classics or the pinnacle of their respective brands. The 4G TL........
Too early to say anything about the TLX in that regard (design longevity)
#9085
oh?
'you' as in reference to me, who you replied to. Unless you were fighting the Cool. Story. Bro. crowd you make up in your head?
Fair enough. But how do you know it already beats what's on the market or coming to the market at the same time? Being open-minded does cut both ways.
Originally Posted by skd2k1
if in the tlx you were expecting "RWD, Performance oriented, 50/50 weight and 6mt", I'd say your expectations don't reflect the reality of acura's history, recent and long term
Fair enough. But how do you know it already beats what's on the market or coming to the market at the same time? Being open-minded does cut both ways.
#9088
I drive a Subata.
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But we DO have a problem with you saying we are "haters" for not liking the design.
Like you said, design is a subjective matter. And people have different expectations.
You either have to learn to accept others opinion or leave the thread.
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#9089
Suzuka Master
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Nobody has a problem with you saying TLX looks better than 4G TL.
But we DO have a problem with you saying we are "haters" for not liking the design.
Like you said, design is a subjective matter. And people have different expectations.
You either have to learn to accept others opinion or leave the thread.
But we DO have a problem with you saying we are "haters" for not liking the design.
Like you said, design is a subjective matter. And people have different expectations.
You either have to learn to accept others opinion or leave the thread.
#9090
I drive a Subata.
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#9091
Do I agree its better on paper? Well, you can just look at it, and its easier on the eyes, if not a bit bland. Has better transmission options, absolutely. That really can't be we are looking for as fans, no?
If the goal is just to beat your old model, then I argue that Acura isn't setting its sights high enough, especially since the TL has always been Acura's primary model (if not necessarily the flagship). I argue that, as fans, we aren't setting our own sights high enough.
Its true that many of have left...there is a reason for that, and its not because we hate or have a bias against Acura.
#9092
Team Owner
Let's forget about what we WANT in a TLX because it is not going to happen anytime soon.
Let's be realistic, given what Honda/Acura has in its pocket
TLX 4 banger:
Fine, i don't like it, i don't even like 4 banger turbo in most of the entry level 3,5 series, and ATS but if that is how the market is going to be, so be it.
No turbo? fine. But you need some kind of supplemental aid to the NA 4 banger to compete within the industry, when everyone is either V6 or 4 cylinder turbo. Regardless if the NA 4 banger is competitive in real life or not, it is definitely a turnoff when you read about it or when you make a comparison on paper.
2.4L Hybrid will be the realistic expectation from Acura. 240hp (200 na and 40 electric)
TLX 3.5
It has the same problem as the 4 banger. While NA is good enough but it does not bring anything new or exciting to market. Honda has the technology from Accord. make it 3.5L Hybrid 340hp (300 from 3.5 and 40hp from the battery)
with the added battery power and what we know about the 2.4 and 3.5L engine, performance should be just as good as the competition, most likely it will be better.
Looks:
Well, i am not be paid by them so it is their job to create a great looking car, not just an average looking car.
Overall my expectation from TLX is simple, it needs to give me something, whether looks, engine, power, handling, or just something that i can't ignore when considering buying a $40k car from this ULTRA competitive segment. It does not have to be all, but at least 1 category will standout from the rest.
if you look at the successful entry level luxury cars in the recent history, there is always at least 1 thing that will standout from the rest. TLX does not have any.
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#9093
Suzuka Master
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I don't have a problem with your subjective take on the exterior design, although I'll again point out that sometimes a design will grow on folks; negative comments in this very thread regarding the looks of the 3g when it was first released.
when did I call ppl out for what they drive for no reason?
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#9094
I drive a Subata.
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you don't have to go back and check everything since there is a search function.
I don't have a problem with your subjective take on the exterior design, although I'll again point out that sometimes a design will grow on folks. negative comments in this very thread regarding the looks of the 3g when it was first released.
when did I call ppl out for what they drive for no reason?
I don't have a problem with your subjective take on the exterior design, although I'll again point out that sometimes a design will grow on folks. negative comments in this very thread regarding the looks of the 3g when it was first released.
when did I call ppl out for what they drive for no reason?
If you are fine with others saying the car looks disappointing, then good.
Respecting others opinion is the only thing that we ask for.
Hope TLX drives very well.
Very interested in magazine reviews on both variants.
#9095
Suzuka Master
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Unreasonable?
Let's forget about what we WANT in a TLX because it is not going to happen anytime soon.
Let's be realistic, given what Honda/Acura has in its pocket
TLX 4 banger:
Fine, i don't like it, i don't even like 4 banger turbo in most of the entry level 3,5 series, and ATS but if that is how the market is going to be, so be it.
No turbo? fine. But you need some kind of supplemental aid to the NA 4 banger to compete within the industry, when everyone is either V6 or 4 cylinder turbo. Regardless if the NA 4 banger is competitive in real life or not, it is definitely a turnoff when you read about it or when you make a comparison on paper.
2.4L Hybrid will be the realistic expectation from Acura. 240hp (200 na and 40 electric)
TLX 3.5
It has the same problem as the 4 banger. While NA is good enough but it does not bring anything new or exciting to market. Honda has the technology from Accord. make it 3.5L Hybrid 340hp (300 from 3.5 and 40hp from the battery)
with the added battery power and what we know about the 2.4 and 3.5L engine, performance should be just as good as the competition, most likely it will be better.
Looks:
Well, i am not be paid by them so it is their job to create a great looking car, not just an average looking car.
Overall my expectation from TLX is simple, it needs to give me something, whether looks, engine, power, handling, or just something that i can't ignore when considering buying a $40k car from this ULTRA competitive segment. It does not have to be all, but at least 1 category will standout from the rest.
if you look at the successful entry level luxury cars in the recent history, there is always at least 1 thing that will standout from the rest. TLX does not have any.
Let's forget about what we WANT in a TLX because it is not going to happen anytime soon.
Let's be realistic, given what Honda/Acura has in its pocket
TLX 4 banger:
Fine, i don't like it, i don't even like 4 banger turbo in most of the entry level 3,5 series, and ATS but if that is how the market is going to be, so be it.
No turbo? fine. But you need some kind of supplemental aid to the NA 4 banger to compete within the industry, when everyone is either V6 or 4 cylinder turbo. Regardless if the NA 4 banger is competitive in real life or not, it is definitely a turnoff when you read about it or when you make a comparison on paper.
2.4L Hybrid will be the realistic expectation from Acura. 240hp (200 na and 40 electric)
TLX 3.5
It has the same problem as the 4 banger. While NA is good enough but it does not bring anything new or exciting to market. Honda has the technology from Accord. make it 3.5L Hybrid 340hp (300 from 3.5 and 40hp from the battery)
with the added battery power and what we know about the 2.4 and 3.5L engine, performance should be just as good as the competition, most likely it will be better.
Looks:
Well, i am not be paid by them so it is their job to create a great looking car, not just an average looking car.
Overall my expectation from TLX is simple, it needs to give me something, whether looks, engine, power, handling, or just something that i can't ignore when considering buying a $40k car from this ULTRA competitive segment. It does not have to be all, but at least 1 category will standout from the rest.
if you look at the successful entry level luxury cars in the recent history, there is always at least 1 thing that will standout from the rest. TLX does not have any.
I think a lot of you guys who've left honda/acura really do love the brand, and that love has shaped your expectations. my decision to move to acura was an intellectual/practical one rather than an emotional one, so I view the brand differently. I moved to acura not b/c it was the best in any particular category, but b/c it was a well rounded brand.
#9096
People would rather discuss the TLX.
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#9097
Team Owner
you don't have to go back and check everything since there is a search function.
I don't have a problem with your subjective take on the exterior design, although I'll again point out that sometimes a design will grow on folks; negative comments in this very thread regarding the looks of the 3g when it was first released.
when did I call ppl out for what they drive for no reason?
I don't have a problem with your subjective take on the exterior design, although I'll again point out that sometimes a design will grow on folks; negative comments in this very thread regarding the looks of the 3g when it was first released.
when did I call ppl out for what they drive for no reason?
So sales # determine the ultimate success of for this segment. Whether if the car is good, how it drives blah blah. They don't matter if you can't sell a Shit load of them.
Example: RLX - good car if you just look at the car itself but when you factoring price and competition. it is just meh. = poor sales
What does TLX have that others don't in this segment that will make customers consider TLX over the competition?
Reliability? I think Lexus has covered that portion of the pie. Acura can only follow them as far as reliability reputation.
So what does TLX have that others don't?
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#9098
Suzuka Master
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I respect your right to your opinion, even if we don't agree. expectations are relative. going from the 4g to the 5g, I'd say the tlx is a move in the right direction, but ultimately time will tell. maybe the tlx will grow on ppl, like so many cars in the past.
#9099
I drive a Subata.
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I think a lot of you guys who've left honda/acura really do love the brand, and that love has shaped your expectations. my decision to move to acura was an intellectual/practical one rather than an emotional one, so I view the brand differently. I moved to acura not b/c it was the best in any particular category, but b/c it was a well rounded brand.
#9100
I drive a Subata.
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no one's stopping you from quoting me.
I respect your right to your opinion, even if we don't agree. expectations are relative. going from the 4g to the 5g, I'd say the tlx is a move in the right direction, but ultimately time will tell. maybe the tlx will grow on ppl, like so many cars in the past.
I respect your right to your opinion, even if we don't agree. expectations are relative. going from the 4g to the 5g, I'd say the tlx is a move in the right direction, but ultimately time will tell. maybe the tlx will grow on ppl, like so many cars in the past.
I think that's something everyone in the thread can agree on.
#9102
Instructor
Speaking for myself, as I'm sure I don't share the same opinion as the other fanboys or fangirls, I really don't mind if someone doesn't like something I like. I tend to expect that and cherish it since individuality is what makes this world go. Likewise, I don't think you'd have a problem with people who tend to like more than we dislike about the car.
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#9104
I feel the need...
#9105
I drive a Subata.
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Speaking for myself, as I'm sure I don't share the same opinion as the other fanboys or fangirls, I really don't mind if someone doesn't like something I like. I tend to expect that and cherish it since individuality is what makes this world go. Likewise, I don't think you'd have a problem with us "fanboys" who tend to like more than we dislike about the car.
Regardless of the difference between the concept and production model, some of us feel that we wanted more aggressive. That's all.
Nobody hates the car or its design. Acura is definitely heading in the right direction.
Curious how it drives.
Are we all happy now?
#9106
Suzuka Master
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We want Acura to be successful and whether the car drives good or not matter more to people on this forum than rest of the 90% buyers.
So sales # determine the ultimate success of for this segment. Whether if the car is good, how it drives blah blah. They don't matter if you can't sell a Shit load of them.
Example: RLX - good car if you just look at the car itself but when you factoring price and competition. it is just meh. = poor sales
What does TLX have that others don't in this segment that will make customers consider TLX over the competition?
Reliability? I think Lexus has covered that portion of the pie. Acura can only follow them as far as reliability reputation.
So what does TLX have that others don't?
So sales # determine the ultimate success of for this segment. Whether if the car is good, how it drives blah blah. They don't matter if you can't sell a Shit load of them.
Example: RLX - good car if you just look at the car itself but when you factoring price and competition. it is just meh. = poor sales
What does TLX have that others don't in this segment that will make customers consider TLX over the competition?
Reliability? I think Lexus has covered that portion of the pie. Acura can only follow them as far as reliability reputation.
So what does TLX have that others don't?
I consider acuras to be well rounded, that's what I think their appeal is.
#9107
I feel the need...
If the goal is just to beat your old model, then I argue that Acura isn't setting its sights high enough, especially since the TL has always been Acura's primary model (if not necessarily the flagship). I argue that, as fans, we aren't setting our own sights high enough.
Would you really make the argument that the F30 was a "leap" above the E90? Just for arguments sake, some bimmer purists would argue that the 3'er has been going backwards...
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#9109
Moderator
I vote we ban the use of the two-cents "smiley" from this post forward -
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#9110
I feel the need...
Nobody hates the car or its design. Acura is definitely heading in the right direction.
Curious how it drives.
Are we all happy now?
#9111
Team Owner
a well equipped IS 350 is in the low to mid 40s. which is exactly where TLX is.
Fully loaded TLX is $50k. Type S will be more if there is one.
Price is really not a strong selling point anymore. It was 10 years ago.
ES350 is actually cheaper than TLX if you want to compare with FWD cars.
By a well rounded company, you mean average in everything but not great in anything?
I highly highly doubt that is what Acura wanted or any business from any market wanted. Just being average.
While not everyone can be sucessful, but if you are happy with just being average, so you provide average products, then sooner or later you will see the exit door when the competition leave you in the dust.
trust me, in the business world, no one wants to just being average or well rounded company. They just failed the succeed, that is all.
#9112
I drive a Subata.
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#9113
Suzuka Master
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a well equipped IS 350 is in the low to mid 40s. which is exactly where TLX is.
Fully loaded TLX is $50k. Type S will be more if there is one.
Price is really not a strong selling point anymore. It was 10 years ago.
ES350 is actually cheaper than TLX if you want to compare with FWD cars.
By a well rounded company, you mean average in everything but not great in anything?
I highly highly doubt that is what Acura wanted or any business from any market wanted. Just being average.
While not everyone can be sucessful, but if you are happy with just being average, so you provide average products, then sooner or later you will see the exit door when the competition leave you in the dust.
trust me, in the business world, no one wants to just being average or well rounded company. They just failed the succeed, that is all.
Fully loaded TLX is $50k. Type S will be more if there is one.
Price is really not a strong selling point anymore. It was 10 years ago.
ES350 is actually cheaper than TLX if you want to compare with FWD cars.
By a well rounded company, you mean average in everything but not great in anything?
I highly highly doubt that is what Acura wanted or any business from any market wanted. Just being average.
While not everyone can be sucessful, but if you are happy with just being average, so you provide average products, then sooner or later you will see the exit door when the competition leave you in the dust.
trust me, in the business world, no one wants to just being average or well rounded company. They just failed the succeed, that is all.
if the tlx is significantly more expensive than the lexus alternative, I would have to rethink my purchase. that said, I'd be surprised if that actually turns out to be the case.
#9114
Team Owner
In contrast, every Acura/Honda cars we had argued .. well you can see it for yourself.
also E90 was not as ugly as 4G TL, so any leap is hard to achieve, 4G TL was so ugly, you can put 2002 Accord skin over it, we will call it improvement.
I don't usually call cars ugly, but when i do, it is usually the 4G TL.
Sorry i know you drive a 4G TL.
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#9115
Team Owner
While we can't say exact how much other trim cost but that gives you an idea how expensive TLX is. For your reference, current 4G TL advance is $45000
RDX and MDX have different target group.
I would consider MDX if i was in that market myself.
Every segment market is different, the requirement to be successful is different too.
no one will give shit if MDX had 9AT or 8DCT... they will take more interior space over anything performance related.
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#9116
I feel the need...
#9117
what's up man....
I don't disagree the TLX an improvement. Part of me thinks they've gone the right direction with things but something tells me those engines are just a stop gap. The base TLX engine has almost the same attributes as my old TSX, from almost 10 years ago. To me, not only is the competition from above improving out of their league, but the competition underneath the TLX will give them a run for their money.
Regarding BMW 3er, that sucker has gotten fat. I don't know enough about the 3 these days, but luckily for me, who was once a e36 owner as well, they make a 1 and 2 series if I were to buy one.
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#9118
#9120
Moderator