VR1

TLX is 4 inches longer then the TSX right? I'm not expecting it to be that much heavier. I'm basically expecting the TLX to drive like a TSX with a mass improved transmission (5spd. vs 8 spd. DCT), nicer interior and 3400-3450lb weight (100-150 more then the TSX)

UKwrath33

I was referring to the V6

VR1

Yea those 335's are monsters.. Completely different class of cars altogether.




Well atleast Acura can be happy they made a car that made me happy.. Even if everyone else hates it.

oonowindoo

Don't laugh.

They could if they want to. if they can do 240 from 2.0L. 300hp is definitely possible from 2.4L.

Give me s2000 with that engine.

Yumcha

I am (sorry) because I know Honda won't do it.

MeehowsBRZ

Can we all just stop arguing? Because once Acura releases its tier 1 Bentley rival we'll all be happy!

VR1

In 12-20 months, I'll have 34-35k to spend on a luxury sports sedan. Needs to come decently equipped, as well needs to be somewhat sporty. Needs to be new or CPO with 5-7k miles max. Suggestions?

oonowindoo

The 4 banger TLX.
It is exactly like your TSX but newer?

JS + XES

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I'll give you my suggestions in 19 months.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I think the TLX will have decent straight line performance as long as it's within 3500lb (+/- 200lb).

Jeff@TOV heard a few things at the auto show. He was told that the 2.4L unit in the TLX is a noticeably step up from the current TSX's and Accord's. Not sure exactly how that translates into numbers. But it wouldn't be bad if the difference is similar to K20A2 vs K20A3 (RSX-S vs RSX base) or J32A1 vs J32A2 (2G TL-P vs 2G TL-S). Regardless, even if the gain is not that much versus the K24W in the Accord, the 8-speed DCT will sure help a whole lot.

A lot of people aren't thrilled with the RLX FWD and don't care much about 0-60mph numbers. Regardless, the 4000lb RLX 6AT can do 0-60 in less than 6 seconds and the 1/4 mile in low 14s@100mph. A lighter TLX with a better tranny with 3 extra ratios should cut those times noticeably. Probably still not enough to match a 335i as that car is a low 13's car nowadays. But the TLX 3.5 should have enough to beat ATS 3.6, IS350, and possibly even the Q50.

What's more interesting according to Jeff is that, apparently, there are plans to introduce turbocharged engines into the TLX in the future. It's possible that a 2.0T will eventually find its way to the TLX and it will probably slot between the 2.4 and 3.5 (~250-270hp). A 3.5 twin-turbo unit may find its way into a Type S variant. The TLX GT racer uses the same 3.5L engine as found in the TLX (i.e. same block, same displacement, same crank). The key changes are pistons, rods, and the twin-turbo setup. This engine is restricted to around 550hp due to race regulations.

Moog-Type-S

When?

Is it going to be like waiting for the vapor car NSX?

I can't believe Honda is going to drop two new turbo charged engines into the TLX as a MMC.


.....and please, Acura PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!
Throw 2 new turbo-charged engines in for the MMC. Do it!

Otherwise it's anther +5 year wait for something that won't happen.

oonowindoo

See if Acura offered what you described since day 1, there will be a lot of WOW in the auto industry. When Acura put products that are SOO much superior than what BMW/Audi/Lexus can offer, it kind force everyone else to step up their games.

Example: 2003 G35C, Looks better than E46 330, WAYYYY more power than 330, IS, A4. Although, the brand name is not the same as the Germans, but the package is SO good that it is hard not to put it in the conversation with the Germans. = Successful sales #. The formula is there, but Acura doesn't want to do it. My brand isn't as good as yours, but i am going to beat you in everything else. and look what BMW did with their next Gen 3 series. your G35 has 280hp, i am going to put 2 turbos in the 3 series and make it faster than E46 M3.

Every press/auto magazine will put TLX on its front cover and you will hear endless news about TLX. free advertisement and it is far more effective than "Made for Mankind"

Good reviews like this will definitely impact the decision on rest of the lineups.

Too bad, it is not happening.

Moog-Type-S

and the TLX would be compared to the class leaders: 3 series, C Class, Is, CTS, A4.

Acura would for once be ground shaking in their debut.
...and the other makes would be taking serious notice.

...but nope.

kurtatx

Is the CTS or the ATS the one competitive with the 3 series and the A4? I think it's the ATS right? I know this is unrelated, but i'm really bored.

VR1

Is the 2.4 TLX based on the K24W3 (Accord Sport) or the K24Z3 (TSX)? They're basically the same engines, with different compression ratios right? Also never got why the W3 has more torque then the Z3, but the Z3 has more HP then the W3. (Z3 = 201/172, W3 = 190/185) W3 has a 11.1:1 compression ratio I believe, while the Z3 is 11.0:1.

JS + XES

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There are so many variables you can adjust to increase or decrease the hp/tq numbers.

TSX69

oonowindoo

Used to be CTS, now it is ATS.

AZP-TL

Logically if you look at the current pricing structure and take into consideration that this is replacing the TSX and the TL I fully expect it to start at $30k and max out at $45k give or take a couple thou, if they introduce a Type-S with a TT it will probably be ~55k. Compared to the competition those are very good prices. It's too bad they didn't offer turbo engines from the start.

biker

Honda may be late to the game (par for the course lately), but they will have very competitive turbos on offer by MMC time. It will be a natural way to keep up any sales momentum they get off the launch this year.

Fibonacci

I will be shocked, but pleasantly so if the 3.5 SH-AWD is anywhere close to 3500lbs. With more ratios and slightly lower curb weight, the 3.5 Earthdreams should easily hit low fives. Heck, my current 6MT can already do it in 5.3


Given the miserable real world fuel economy experienced with the turbo'd 2.4 in the first gen RDX, I am bit suspicious that Acura is so eager to hop back on the turbo bandwagon.

AcuraVic

The new TLX is "nice", but Honda/Acura can do better. They keep putting out these watered down potentially great cars.
The design of the TLX could easily pass for a Buick from the side view and rear view.

Black Tire

Ouch!

Yumcha

^ I think that Acura's competitors these days are Buick and Lincoln should not be a shocker?

Again, not hating on the TLX...just going with pricepoint and etc. of Acura's fleet and their overall product.

civicdrivr

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Direct injection, intake design, less friction, revised VTEC mapping...

They're not basically the same engines. The block, maybe. But the head is completely different - the intake and exhaust sides of the head has been swapped between the two.

Z3:



ED K series:

AZuser

I wouldn't be surprised of a low or mid 5 second 0-60 time if it weighs around 3,500 lbs. The 2013+ Accord V6 weighs 3,559 lbs and can hit 0-60 in 5.6 seconds.

I actually expect the TLX to match, if not beat, these numbers... and would be disappointed if it didn't.

2013 Honda Accord Sedan V-6 C/D TEST RESULTS:

• Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
• Zero to 100 mph: 13.9 sec
• Zero to 120 mph: 21.2 sec
• Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
• Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.3 sec
• Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.1 sec
• Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 101 mph
• Top speed (governor limited): 125 mph
• Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
• Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.82 g

MeehowsBRZ

We all want Acura to compete with BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Lexus/Jaguar/Cadillac


...... BUT should we just be resigned to the fact that they are the Japanese Buick/Lincoln/Volvo/Chrysler and not ask for more then that?

Yumcha

And that, in a nutshell, is where all the venom and spew comes from.



We KNOW Honda can do it...but, they seem unwilling to. Why?

JS + XES

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They are too busy building a robot to take over the world.

iforyou

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Not sure when, nothing is concrete. There's another guy on the TOV forum who said that either next year or MMC, the TLX will receive two turbocharged engines (2.0T and 3.0-3.5TT). He said "the only reason it didn't get the VTEC TURBO at Launch is because the engines just need about another year of development to justify them over a cheaper,more simple NA Engine." This guy got quite a few things correct already. He predicted the TLX would come with one 4-banger and one V6, and he got the 9AT part and DCT correct. Also, remember the time when I was telling you guys that the NSX will be turbocharged? I got this info from this same guy.

Let's see if this guy is right again in a couple years.


I definitely get what you guys are saying. Unfortunately, Honda is still developing those engines. On the other hand, I don't think further delaying the launch of the TLX would go well with many people too....

The K24Z3 is not DI. I'm guessing it's closer to the K24W3.

Perhaps they will do what BMW did to the E90 3 series. They introduced the 330i first, then the year after there's the 335i.

I'm thinking the TLX 2.4L FWD will be around 3300lb, while the TLX V6 AWD will be closer to 3700lb. The bigger but FWD Accord V6 6AT is at 3588lb for reference.

Yea, the 400lb heavier RLX uses the DI version of the V6 and is just as fast as the Accord. That same engine combined with 3 extra cogs in a lighter car with AWD traction should beat the above numbers.

civicdrivr

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If it's an Earth Dreams motor (which thus far, all of their DI engines are), then it will be a K24Wx. The main difference between the W3 and the W1/2 is the tuning and the exhaust.

JS + XES

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Honda calls their DI engines an Earth Dreams motor.........?

Ken1997TL

In the next year or two, those engines will be ready. The next Civic Type R and CR-Z are already using a 280 hp 2 liter turbo motor around test tracks.

kurtatx

I think all their DI's are "Earth Dreams". I don't know if there are other Earth Dreams. Silly name to me.

JS + XES

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Well, that will surely piss off the first year model buyers. Nice.

Acura should have waited one more year to finalize the models with the boosted engines then.

Probably had to green light this prematurely since the sedan line has been dying.

All of their tech names are tacky. Didn't even know about this Earth Dreams til today. Jeez.

kurtatx

Android Jelly Bean

Ken1997TL

I'd prefer an Ice Cream Sammich myself

Moog-Type-S

Well, as we know Honda/Acura drives a lot of things around the track that never go into production....even though we thought & hoped they would.

Seems odd that they would bring out an entire new model (TLX) only to turn it on its head in a couple of years with all new engines.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

It's very odd, indeed.

But we are talking about Honda, so.....

Yumcha

Meanwhile, GM announces a twin-turbo V6 for the ATS-V.