Acura: TLX News
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Read the past 3 pages and see what we are talking about.
Why is it always that you get into one of the automotive news thread, you don't understand what the hell is going on? I don't know if you are blind or just have reading comprehension problem.
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That's fine for BMW, but not for brand like Acura.
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the concept is already bland to me.
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Acura launches the lame FWD RLX first, and will follow up with the high-performance AWD-trim RLX almost a year afterwards, and the RLX has been flopping big time in sales.
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If that's what Honda calls a "refresh", wow - their designers are smoking more Moog's sauce than we think. That civic coupe looks like a clown car.
FWIW, in my 6MT, ASC can easily be switched off and power on oversteer is there if you want it. And you don't see the power plenum from the drivers seat!
FWIW, in my 6MT, ASC can easily be switched off and power on oversteer is there if you want it. And you don't see the power plenum from the drivers seat!
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My wife and I have owned six Hondas and Acuras in the 19 years we've been married (still have our '03 Pilot). I'd like very much to see the brands return to greatness, but they stubbornly hold on to old ways and old technology (engines, primarily). Part the passion of my criticisms comes from this history.
Unlike you, I've remained loyal for more practical reasons. Getting married, having kids caused me to place a bigger premium on safety and value. Let's give HondAcura some kudos in that department.
But to your point, it never ceases to amaze me how much brand equity Honda continues to have even after ALL of their self-induced errors. From peeps who have left the brand: if they didn't care, they wouldn't comment so critically. They really want to see Honda return to the glory they know its capable of. I know I do.
If their was an Academy Award for "stubbornly slogging on in the face of unrelenting criticism", Acura management would have won for the past six years running.
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Just looking at how their previous prototypes have looked compared to the production models like the ILX and the MDX. THE TLX bottom rear will be replaced (where the exhaust pipes should go) with something more generic and bland looking, and the same with the part under the front grill. It won't be that aggressive looking nor with the chrome outline and slits. that will be "blanded down". The wheels will be different and surely wont be 20 inch wheels, and the car wont sit so low. I'm pretty sure the TLX is lowered in the prototype version for looks at the event. Even the side mirrors might be replaced for something more "normal", as iv read a lot of comments on the mirrors. I think everything else will look the same. So in all it will be a pretty plain car similar to the ILX and RLX.
Acura doesn't put out bold designs like other car companies (Infiniti) Besides the NSX which is becoming more generic as the days go by every car exterior wise that acura has put out has been "normal" or some would say boring. Honestly the reason I have liked Acuras the last 10 years, are their interiors, although I think they are even starting to simplify those even. I was blown away by the interior of the 2nd gen MDX when I first saw it, it just looked really nice. I think the gen3 MDX interior doesn't have the same wow factor for me then when I saw gen2 for the first time. I think the TLX exterior is good enough for me, its an improvement over last gen, but the interior is what is going to make it or break it for me. I'm also interested to see how a 9 speed drives and I'm hoping it wont take premium gas.
Acura doesn't put out bold designs like other car companies (Infiniti) Besides the NSX which is becoming more generic as the days go by every car exterior wise that acura has put out has been "normal" or some would say boring. Honestly the reason I have liked Acuras the last 10 years, are their interiors, although I think they are even starting to simplify those even. I was blown away by the interior of the 2nd gen MDX when I first saw it, it just looked really nice. I think the gen3 MDX interior doesn't have the same wow factor for me then when I saw gen2 for the first time. I think the TLX exterior is good enough for me, its an improvement over last gen, but the interior is what is going to make it or break it for me. I'm also interested to see how a 9 speed drives and I'm hoping it wont take premium gas.
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Wow we have Genesis owners complaining about downshift lag in an 8-speed trans. Now 9-speeds. Hope Acura has an answer.
And you know this car will require premium. Hell even my 99TL requires premium.
And you know this car will require premium. Hell even my 99TL requires premium.
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Your car will run with regular anyway. The manufacturer won't let you destroy your engine.
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Always makes me shake my head when I hear of a person talking about paying $35k-$45k for a near-lux car and then complaining about the additional cost of premium fuel.
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Yeah, I never really got this either. If you say "well, I was looking at the CRV and the X3, and the CRV is cheaper AND doesn't require premium gasoline", that's one thing, but to complain about how premium models require premium gasoline is silly. Go buy something else.
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Yeah, I never really got this either. If you say "well, I was looking at the CRV and the X3, and the CRV is cheaper AND doesn't require premium gasoline", that's one thing, but to complain about how premium models require premium gasoline is silly. Go buy something else.
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Yeah, I never really got this either. If you say "well, I was looking at the CRV and the X3, and the CRV is cheaper AND doesn't require premium gasoline", that's one thing, but to complain about how premium models require premium gasoline is silly. Go buy something else.
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That's not what we were talking about at all.
We were saying that if they were going to release the boosted engine line up for TLX, they should have waited to get them ready from the beginning instead of replacing the engines after 1 year into the introduction.
And if they are actually "adding" the engine choices to have four different engines into TLX, they should have rolled out the loaded boosted trims first to get the high profit off the early buyers.
That's what the luxury brands do when they launch the new generation of cars.
We were saying that if they were going to release the boosted engine line up for TLX, they should have waited to get them ready from the beginning instead of replacing the engines after 1 year into the introduction.
And if they are actually "adding" the engine choices to have four different engines into TLX, they should have rolled out the loaded boosted trims first to get the high profit off the early buyers.
That's what the luxury brands do when they launch the new generation of cars.
I think the TLX 3.5 is to compete with the likes of 335i, IS350, Q50, ATS 3.6, C350, etc. And this TLX 3.5 will be launched at the very beginning. It's not being launched a year later or something.
If Acura were to release TLX with 3.5TT, then most likely we are looking at 400hp+. BMW and Cadillac don't launch their 400+hp M3/ATS-V until a year or two later.
There's no right or wrong really...some manufacturers do it one way, some do it in another way. Some might want Acura to launch all the choices at the very beginning. But too bad, their new engines aren't ready yet.
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The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If I drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 MPG, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
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I think the TLX 3.5 is to compete with the likes of 335i, IS350, Q50, ATS 3.6, C350, etc. And this TLX 3.5 will be launched at the very beginning. It's not being launched a year later or something.
If Acura were to release TLX with 3.5TT, then most likely we are looking at 400hp+. BMW and Cadillac don't launch their 400+hp M3/ATS-V until a year or two later.
There's no right or wrong really...some manufacturers do it one way, some do it in another way. Some might want Acura to launch all the choices at the very beginning. But too bad, their new engines aren't ready yet.
If Acura were to release TLX with 3.5TT, then most likely we are looking at 400hp+. BMW and Cadillac don't launch their 400+hp M3/ATS-V until a year or two later.
There's no right or wrong really...some manufacturers do it one way, some do it in another way. Some might want Acura to launch all the choices at the very beginning. But too bad, their new engines aren't ready yet.
This is not something new. It's marketing.
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you should point out that the difference is very small.
The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If i drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 mpg, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If i drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 mpg, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
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You should point out that the difference is very small.
The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If I drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 MPG, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If I drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 MPG, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
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I think you are not understanding that M / F are not really a part of the regular 3 / IS lines. We are talking about top of the line 335i and fully loaded IS350 being released before any other shitty trim ones.
Again, this is marketing. Nothing new.
I bet he's talking about his Mugen Civic Si.
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You should point out that the difference is very small.
The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If I drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 MPG, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If I drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 MPG, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.
Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.
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Yeah.. try arguing with my father about that, a father with dozens of engineering patents to his name but was inherently cheap.
'Regular will work just fine!', followed by a detailed explanation of compression ratios and fuel detonation.
Some battles just aren't worth it
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$320 for a summer vacation? I hate to break it to you, but if $320 is the difference between a vacation or not, then you have no business buying cars in the near-lux/lux classes.
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And missed this part.
I think you are not understanding that M / F are not really a part of the regular 3 / IS lines. We are talking about top of the line 335i and fully loaded IS350 being released before any other shitty trim ones.
Again, this is marketing. Nothing new.
I think you are not understanding that M / F are not really a part of the regular 3 / IS lines. We are talking about top of the line 335i and fully loaded IS350 being released before any other shitty trim ones.
Again, this is marketing. Nothing new.
As I said, the TLX 3.5 competes with 335i, IS350, C350, Q50, etc. The TLX 3.5 AWD will be the top trim for the regular TLX line up. This car will be launched right at the beginning, which is just like most companies.
On the other hand, if the TLX 3.5TT is coming along with 400+hp, that thing will be competing with M3, IS-F, S4, ATS-V, etc. And like those cars, this rumored TLX 3.5TT won't come at the very beginning.
Summary:
TLX 2.4NA: ATS 2.5, C250, 320i, IS250
TLX 2.0T: ATS 2.0T, C300, 328i, A4 2.0T
TLX 3.5NA: ATS 3.6, C350, 335i, IS350, Q50
TLX-S 3.5TT: ATS-V, C63AMG, M3, IS-F, S4
It's possible that the 3.5TT engine will only be a replacement for the 3.5 NA engine with only a slight power upgrade (i.e. 300hp becomes 330hp). That just means the top trim gets a nice upgrade. It does not mean the highest trim didn't get launched at the very beginning. This happened when BMW replaced the 330i with 335i, or when MB replaced the 272hp 3.5 V6 in the C350 with 306hp 3.5L V6 in the middle of the model cycle. Nothing out of the ordinary really.
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Geez! Would you guys stop quoting swoosh's Photoshop post over and over again!
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It's possible that the 3.5TT engine will only be a replacement for the 3.5 NA engine with only a slight power upgrade (i.e. 300hp becomes 330hp). That just means the top trim gets a nice upgrade. It does not mean the highest trim didn't get launched at the very beginning. This happened when BMW replaced the 330i with 335i, or when MB replaced the 272hp 3.5 V6 in the C350 with 306hp 3.5L V6 in the middle of the model cycle. Nothing out of the ordinary really.
If I'm the buyer of top of the line TLX in the first MY then Acura replaces the NA engine with twin turbo in a year, I'm going apeshit.
Maybe not you, but I'll be one pissed off monkey.
But anyway, let's just drop the subject. We have zero idea if they are releasing the boosted engines. I don't think they will for 5G.
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So many haters in this thread! Do we really need to hear for 8 pages how much you hate this car? We get it. Move along..
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