Ken1997TL

It's the Russian version of the TLX.

ttribe

Crap...I should have waited until your edit time expired. I see that insult.

JS + XES

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jwong77

Acura and their insistence on huge front overhangs, lol.

Ken1997TL

Fixed that for you..

VR1

lol, its a car based on FWD architecture.

AZuser

That's why the Legend (and Vigor) was so awesome... longitudinal engine, short overhang, nice clean simple elegant design.





... miss that car.

Ken1997TL

Yep.. I had a 1st gen TL and 1st gen RL.

Same look, no overhang..

JS + XES

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The Legend is so elegant.

neuronbob

Legend....

Still looks good 20 years later.

What happened to Acura? Wahhhhhhhhhh!

Fibonacci

Meh - looks like a 90's car. Great for its time though.

TLX looks fine, not spectacular but attractive. Does a current 3 series or A4 win design plaudits, me thinks not. Let's stop hyperventilating, Acura is attempting to mend fences, and I think they are getting back on track here.

Wheels (if they are stock) def need to be swapped out. Hidden exhaust, sorta weak too, but not a deal breaker for me. I'm more concerned with spreading lame dual screen set up that makes HVAC adjustments less than intuitive on our MDX. No likey.

fsttyms1

Timeless, and a car and name everyone remembers!

fsttyms1

They may have the material laid out, but its not quite up yet. Acura cant get by with "well its a step in the right direction", They have missed the mark design wise for some time now. They needed the home run with the RLX, at best they bunted and just got to first base, The ILX, that has been a 4 balls 2 strikes for a lucky walk to first, The TLX for the most part it looks good "but" so far from what we have seen id give it a safe 2nd base, possibly a 3rd base steal. They KNEW they needed to change direction and get back on track but they havent with the same issues that have given them a hard time with the previous models. And dont get me started on the marketing. A 5th grader with windows movie maker could make better commercials that got your attention

charliemike

Is that really the goal when Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Lexus, Infiniti, and soon Jaguar all have competing cars in this segment? Not to mention Hyundai's new Genesis in this price range.

Fibonacci

I pretty much agree with everything you are saying and we're on the same page. I wouldn't even call the RLX a bunt, its a strike out. They can't even sell a first year model run without boatloads of incentives.

BUT Acura is taking a step in the right direction by finally admitting they have issues. As they say, acceptance is the first step to recovery.

dom

I agree with everything but the part about the ILX making it to first. It struck out trying to bunt and was immediately sent to the minors.

Fibonacci

So tell me which Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Lexus or Infiniti you would buy over a TLX SH-AWD for similar money assuming the 2015 is in the low 40k range.

I think the new Genesis looks great, but suspect it is probably too heavy for my tastes.

VR1

Jaguar?

Edit: NVM, I get what you mean now; the Jaguar XE.

kurtatx

So of those brands you've listed, I see five less reliable marques and one that is significantly more expensive for the same size vehicle. Just guessing.

fsttyms1

This is where we disagree, Acura admitted this some time back, far enough back to have made the RLX something other than a flop, im pretty sure far enough back to have at least done something a little better with the ILX, and for sure far enough back for the TLX.

fsttyms1

Id take the Genesis, and CTS over all of the above

VR1

3 series, Q50 and IS are the only other ones then the TLX I would consider. A4 or C class? No thanks. And LOL at the new Genesis.

dom

What exactly are you lol'ing at? A car that will outsell the RLX by the several thousands?

AZuser

If the RLX is a strike out, the ILX must be the player that got hit in the head by the ball, has a slight concussion but is acting like nothing is wrong, and is stumbling around trying to make its way to 1st base.

fsttyms1

And what is so LOL at the new Genesis?

kurtatx

Unfortunately, people LOL at the Genesis because it's a Hyundai. Hyundai's reputation is pretty awful. The opposite of the "Cadillac" repuation.

e.g.: "Win the Super Bowl and drive off in a Hyundai"

"What you really crave is a Hyundai and a simple gold heart on a chain."

Time to get serious about the "Genesis" brand.

swoosh

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@ LOL-ing @ genesis...


I think its one of the car company which is definitely headed in the right direction...the Genny and EQUUS are really awesome cars....we hope to own either of them in a year or 2....

I hated the interior of the Genesis and they solved that issue in the new 2015 model...also they added AWD, I think its a sign from above

Will Y.

I hate baseball.
Can we go with football or basketball metaphors instead?



My impression is that Hyundai's reputation in the last five years or so has been on the upswing and is good now-- close to Honda.

The Genesis doesn't yet have the prestige of Mercedes or BMW, but it hasn't got the reliability rep of Range Rovers either.

kurtatx

Taking the H off and making Genesis its own brand would help a ton.

kurtatx

Laugh all you want, but the upscale car buyer sees the Hyundai "H" as a deterrent. Give it a new logo and separate it from Hyundai.

swoosh

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YO dude...2008 called....they want their shit BACK !!!


I would agree with you 5-6 years back...hyundai is targeting all the sections very very well...

you can talk about Mercedes and BMW all you want, but they dont have good reputation either...look up reviews and you will see nothing looses car value like a german car...the minute its out of warranty, you pocket is out of cash

VR1

Front grill from an B7 Audi?
Check

Headlights from a BMW 7 series?
Check

Shifter from BMW?
Check

Hoffmeister Kink?
Check

Rear Quarter from an Audi A7?
Check

iforyou

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Hyundai has its own shares of issues for the past few years (i.e. claiming false EPA ratings, power ratings that don't quite back up actual real world performance, etc). But it's hard to ignore the fact that the Genesis is a pretty good deal for what you get with the money you need to pay.

ttribe

Well, there's no question Hyundai has used reverse-engineering to its advantage over the years. But it's also probably hard to argue against the notion that most of the manufacturers do a fair amount of "borrowing" from each other in this day and age of extreme price competitiveness.

I don't see the Genesis stealing any more from its competitors than they do each other at this point.

swoosh

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I totally agree...

Hyundai and Kia were the 2 companies which I thought were directly stealing design ideas from high end companies...but now I think both the companies are coming out with fantastic interior and exterior designs....

Fibonacci

Next Genesis 3.8 w/ AWD might be in the same ball park, but good luck finding a CTS 2.0T AWD with the same options any where close to the low 40's, the 3.6 will be closer to 60k. Just sayin'.

charliemike

I would probably not put the Acura on my list. Especially given the photos. The Concept intrigued me but sadly, Acura just cannot help themselves.

I'm not really a fan of the IS or Q50 but I'm sure there certainly are people that would cross shop the IS/ES and the TLX.

I didn't even mention Lincoln's MKX or Cadillac's ATS either ... In that price range it's brutal and based on those pictures Acura seems to be going for the ES350 crowd instead of the Japanese sport sedan market.

swoosh

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^^^ the genny will not be close to 60K (unless I misunderstood you)...

I have been reading and the new one will be closer to 40K and will have AWD (for the V6 model, current year model is at 35K for RWD and V6)

Fibonacci

I'm always suspicious of folks who cross a car off their shopping list without even driving one for comparisons sake. Throwing the MKZ in the mix just makes you sound silly. Seriously, have you driven one?

Hypothetically speaking, you are in the market for an AWD "red carpet athlete", which one do you buy in 2014 staying under $45 gizzle?

Fibonacci

I was referring to the CTS. The General is reaching pretty aggressively on that one me thinks. I still find the ATS pricing a bit tough to swallow.