MTEAZY

It is a great engine but it's also old and can be found in a Honda Accord. People want more.

biker

With those prices folks will be paying MSRP for a while.

neuronbob

Actually, only enthusiasts want more. The unwashed masses want a reliable engine to get them from a to b and cod care less that it's a J, K, L, M, N, O engine. Honestly, I'm impressed that Honda continues to get a lot out of the J series. It IS quite reliable, too. It's a noobie, even so, compared to the Chevy small block V8, which has existed in some form since Ed Cole designed it in 1954. The LS series variant has been in use for 23 years, with 5 gens, and I don't see Corvette owners (or CTS owners for that matter) complaining about it.

VR1

Any figures on weight? Hoping for 3300 lbs for the K series.

MTEAZY

At the very least they could bring some more power out of it in this day and age. The 2G Type S had 60 hp more than Accord. TLX has 12. I know their engineers are capable but the bean counters won't allow it.

jiggaman

very attractive pricing indeed.

fsttyms1

Aside from adding DI acura hasn't done jack with the j since 07 when it changed its bell housing. It didn't get any hp increase for the TLX, it actually got a reduction. I see nothing to be impressed with with that. What is it they have gotten out of it you have seen to be impressed with? Other than reliability that motor needs to go and something newer, better, and more capable needs to come out.

iforyou

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Can see where you are coming from, but that's pretty much the only year where the TL had way more power than the Accord (2002). The next closest would be 2007/2008 with the TL-S making 286hp while the Accord was at 244hp.

Then again, both of the examples above are Type S trims. One could only hope Acura would bring back the Type S for the TLX in the near future.

On the other hand, while this time around, the TLX only has 12hp more, it also has 3 extra gear ratios to work with.

iforyou

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I think reliability is exactly what neuronbob was focusing on. He is looking at this from an non-enthusiast point of view.

I'd imagine other than reliable, he's also impressed by the NVH, fuel economy, and power delivery of the J and how it is still competitive in many areas.

H_CAR

The J is competitive in all areas. There is only one area I can think of that isn't that competitive and that is in the output of the engine (and it's probably underrated), but it matches or exceeds its rivals in everything else.

One simply does not "just" add DI to an engine. It's a new engine that wears the same name, that is all.

cjTL

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Pricing is making me like the car. Was thinking $50+ loaded. Wow

neuronbob

Yup. We, the enthusiasts, pay attention to this stuff. My wife, who uses a car to get from a to b, would be happy if I bought her a Hyundai Accent and wouldn't care about power train, FWD vs AWD, etc. she only cares about how much the gas costs and whether there is room for neuronbob Jr. And his stuff.

Mugen.Justice

Does the new 3.5 get a timing-chain?

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

No. Still using timing belt just like all others in the J-series V6 family.

iforyou

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For sure. Being competitive but that doesn't mean class leading. I think what some of us, such as fsttyms1, want to see is a class leading V6 engine that surpasses the Audi's 3.0T and BMW's 3.0 Turbo. I agree those are the ones to beat and that the J series is some way behind those in terms of output. Otherwise, the J is very competitive against other V6's in real world fuel economy, NVH, reliability, engine note, etc.

Legend2TL

Pretty good pricing.
If the reviews are good, they'll have no problems selling them.

AZuser

This

TLX 2.4L
8DCT
24/35/28
$30,995

is so going to cannibalize ILX sales.

H_CAR

The ILX barely has any sales right now. Acura isn't concerned with that.

AZuser

Which is why they should be concerned.

They should also be concerned about sales of their flagship RLX.

They should also be concerned about their vapour car NSX.

Only a poorly run company would not be concerned about how their product and sales are doing.

But hey, maybe if they



all those problems will go away.

Edward'TLS

H_CAR

I'm sure Acura is concerned with the sales of the ILX and RLX, but I also think they're not concerned with what the TLX will do to the ILX and RLX. They need a volume seller, and they made a smart decision pricing it where they did.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

This.

Think the other poster misunderstood your point.

Acura should NOT be concerned about the TLX killing the existing ILX in sales. The ILX isn't selling all that well anyway.

Acura SHOULD be concerned fixing the ILX.

MTEAZY

TLX is cheap because it's a mediocre product from a mediocre company. It just isn't a dismal failure like the RLX/ILX. And even if NSX is made, it's irrelevant, because almost none of the dedicated few who are still interested in this dead brand can comfortably afford one.

AZuser

Seems like they're both one and the same to me.

Instead of competing against other car makes/manufacturers, Acura is just competing against itself.

darkmark

wow, pricing is great. Acura has likely eliminated any interest in a 2.4 ILX with this pricing structure. Oh well, the ILX was shit anyways.

charliemike

Interestingly, Honda's been struggling in China with their upscale models because the Chinese all want German sedans. I think the same thing is going on in America.

EhkoXC

That's wrong, but I keep seeing it repeated. The 3.5L from the 4G TL output 280 HP while the 3.5L from the TLX outputs 290 HP. The 305 HP engine was the 3.7L V6.

The J Series is a perfectly fine engine, it hangs right with the other NA V6 engines around it's displacement. That being said, they need to get those turbo engines into production sooner rather than later.

I have to say, Acura got the pricing right with this. I expected the 2.4L base to be around $32km putting it just over $30k is a great move.

iforyou

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haha let me try again....

The ILX is pretty much dead. Selling 500 units or 1000 units is still way below the original target of 30000 units per year. As such, Acura should NOT be concerned about the TLX furthering killing the ILX sales. The sales were already know, even if it gets worse, it doesn't matter much. Acura would be happy to selling 500 less ILX's per month, if they can sell 2000 more TLX's in the mean time.

With that said, Acura should be CONCERNED about the ILX long term future. Acura must recognize what went wrong with the ILX make a decision on what to do about it, if they haven't already started doing this already. There's definitely potential for a compact luxury sedan as shown by CLA and A3. Not having much hope, but the ILX needs a major MMC update, at the very least. Things like Jewel-Eye LED should be standard. The 2.0L engine needs much better EPA ratings as well as another 20-30hp as right now, the TLX 2.4 gets the same mileage as the ILX 2.0. Acura should consider putting the TLX's 2.4 engine along with 8-speed DCT into the ILX too. That powertrain combo in a sub-3000lb car should guarantee some decent performance. P-AWS needs to be standard on this 2.4 model too. The ILX should receive a facelift to make it more aggressive and premium looking. More features such as lane watch are also needed.

Boulder TSX

Sorry, no. You're referencing a news article that said the Accord was not selling well in China, along with most larger Japanese cars. (Honda does not sell "upscale cars" in China, BTW.) There is a specific reason Japanese cars are not selling in China.

Japan and China have been nearly at a tipping point of war -- over the possession of the Senkakau islands.

From a recent BBC news story: "Ties between China and Japan have been strained by a territorial row over a group of islands, known as the Senkaku islands in Japan and the Diaoyu islands in China. They matter because they are close to important shipping lanes, offer rich fishing grounds and lie near potential oil and gas reserves."

The two countries virtually hate each other...hence a sentence like: "51 percent of Chinese consumers surveyed would never consider buying a Japanese car." Well, most Japanese consumers would neve buy a Chinese product -- if any kind.

The news stories reporting this have also said it is not Honda's problem alone...it is Japan's and China's

charliemike

I'll be interested to see what the TLX does against the other cars in that price range. I'm legitmately curious if it's more a Fusion Titanium or an Audi/Lexus/BMW competitor.

What Acura thinks and markets the car as may be different from how everyone actually views it.

cjTL

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Naysayers may call the TLX a tarted up Accord but I don't think that's what it is at all. I think regardless of the POS cars Acura has put on the road lately, the brand still is associated with premium and luxury. Ford, is not. A $35K Titanium is perceived the same to most people as the $22K base one.

MTEAZY

Fusion has a better powertrain than the $30k TLX. Honda dropped the ball on the final thing I thought they could do well- building engines.

CGTSX2004

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China's an unfair market to look at though because there is much historical animosity between China and Japan. A recent survey taken of Chinese buyers indicated that some 51% would not even consider a Japanese brand. With that kind of disadvantage, there is no way Honda, Acura, Toyota, or Lexus can seriously eek out more than mere morsels in that market.

Edit: I see someone else beat me to the punch on pointing this out...

charliemike

Okay. Point taken

H_CAR

How so?

I think the 4 cylinder TLX will be faster than the Fusion 2.0 Ecoboost. Don't even get me started on the V6...

Acura_Dude

Tell us how you really feel.

oonowindoo

glad they did not go with the original $50k fully loaded MSRP.

Now Acura has a very good chance to sell TLX 3xxx or even 4xxx a month.

They can afford to do something "Advance" with the ILX cuz you can do worse than the current ILX.
put a K24T in there and maintain the same $30k MSRP.

Acura_Dude

^

iforyou

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I think he's being sarcastic...?

CarbonGray Earl

Pricing is pretty good. I'm pleasantly surprised. That grill still sucks.