Legend2TL

That short overhang styling philosophy does not work for Ferrari 458.
Ferrari uses a long overhang there on the 612 which looks ugly to me

MTEAZY

This looks like a good car in the same way a 2G TL-P was a good car. To interest people here they need a 350 hp Type-S that looks similar to the concept. It's not like the 4G which looked weird no matter what you did with it. This has potential but I don't have much hope Acura will capitalize.

Fibonacci

Don't think they are the greatest design feature in the world, but wouldn't call them terrible.


I like bright lights and I cannot lie, you other brothers can't deny...

Fibonacci

I don't recall my OG TSX having much overhang.

oonowindoo

It did have some, just not as bad as other Acura's.

You probably need to thank Euro Accord for that.

oonowindoo

it can't be as bad as this but your deep discount should make up for this

jwong77

I own said TSX, it has long overhang for its size.

JS + XES

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Oh come on man.. let's not post 4G TL image here..

torqued

Gotta agree, that angle does not flatter the car at all. Honestly, it's making me like the last gen even more. At least that was edgy, unique styling rather than a "me too". While I'm in the market this fall, I'm just not enthusiastic about the TLX. Still, I'll reserve final judgment till I see it in person. Right now, I see nothing to really differentiate it from the pack yet I expected more.

Fibonacci

MOAR! + 6MT + 5.2 sex to 60 =

Mugen.Justice

I would, probably (the SH-AWD model, anyway). Might sound ridiculous, but it's simply because neither the Lexus nor the BMW does anything for me. Don't get me wrong - I'm no blind Acura fanboi. I have plenty of issues with the TLX.


I think the Jewel-Eye lights are interesting - but it feels like Acura designed them for the sake of being different. They're certainly no Audi LEDs (I dig the look of the solid-line lights), but I think the Jewel-Eyes look better than say, Lexus IS' stand-alone units.


I do think Jewel-Eye needs one or two more iterations before they look good. The RLX's double-stacked lights made it look too insect-like. The MDX's single-bank looked better, as does the TLX's. I think the NSX Concept's LEDs look the best...but we'll have to see what the production version will ultimately look like.

krio

If Acura could make fun to drive, fast, powerful and sporty cars, nobody would care so much about the design... (not all the BMW or Audis models are beauties, right?...) but they are boring and not funny.
Than people looks first of all at the Acura design... ad get a Hyundai...

skd2k1

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hope kb1spec doesn't mind me posting this in here.

biker

^ all that work and it still doesn't look that good

Black Tire

A stock Toyota Camry looks better.

VR1

Wtf? I dont even..

JS + XES

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You think that looks great?

And those underbody lights.... Jeez.... F&F1 was back in 2001.

MeehowsBRZ

That car just looks like it weighs 8,000 pounds.

oonowindoo

he just went from chubby to fat.

you can't bring aftermarket into the equation. With enough $, you can make any i mean ANY car look good.

Same as with enough $, i can make any car go fast too.

JS + XES

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Technically, you are wrong since you can't make 4G TL looks good even if you spend $$$$.

oonowindoo

yes i can.

If replacement parts won't work, i will start putting parts from other cars.

It might look wrong but it will look good.

I will make it look like a M6 GC. LOL

iforyou

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I don't know man if you go by the comments here you'd think design is the single most important factor.

IMO all of those factors are important.

Will Y.

I agree with krio-- I'd take a kinda boring looking car or slightly ugly one if it had good performance, a nice interior, etc.

Audi sedans are pretty conservatively-designed soap bars, but I rank them ahead of a lot of sedans with more attractive lines. The Porsche Panamera isn't conventionally good looking, but most versions have performance attributes to make up for the aesthetics.

The TLX seems pretty conservative, but needs to match or exceed the competition in areas other than exterior design in order to be a hit. If it's no faster or more luxurious than the top Accord, .

ttribe

I'd say that's a bit of a biased read. The styling just happens to be the "low-hanging fruit," so to speak. I think there's been plenty of hand-wringing amongst the critics (myself included) regarding the lack of "Advance[ment]" on the performance/technical side as well (e.g. see some of the discussion regarding the lack of forced induction, the sub-300hp output of the "big" engine," the continued FWD bias, etc.).

oonowindoo

I feel like we are gonna go through a full circle again.

ttribe

Groundhog Day.

oonowindoo

TLX - Exterior - Average
TLX - Interior - Average
TLX - Engine - Average
TLX - Tech - Average
Acura Brand in Luxury Market - Average to Below Average
Marketing - Sucks

So It is reasonable to call TLX is just average overall.

Now there is nothing wrong with just being average, however, when currently your entire sedan lineup is a proven failure, and your big comeback is to offer an average sedan and expect customers to ditch their BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, Lexus and Audi?

skd2k1

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doom and gloom.

iforyou

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Yea Audi sure knows how to design conservative looking sedans without being bland.

Not sure about performance yet but on the luxury front the TLX is miles ahead than the Accord. I don't see 8/9 gear ratios, SH-AWD, CMBS, FCW, LKAS, LDW, ELS sound system, and all that in the Accord.

Obviously luxury is more than just having a lot of features. I guess we will find out soon whether the TLX feels/drives like a luxury car soon.

You know, unless Honda makes Acura a global brand, I really don't see them coming out with RWD cars. There's not enough volume to support such development. For instance, MB is making FWD cars since on the same FWD platform, they are moving 500,000 units a year. Acura combined US sales is like 1/3 of that.

hmmm the transmission choices look good on paper (does any direct competitor has DCT or 9 gear ratios?) and I thought the tech is above average (lacks some features like panoramic roof or power folding mirrors but standard LED headlights, SH-AWD II, plus all those safety systems).

MeehowsBRZ

I have no idea what any of this stuff is and I'm assuming most of the buying market is on the same page with me and probably wouldn't care even of they knew.

Edward'TLS

It is a yes and no.

Because the Accord and the TL(X) product cycle offset each other by 2-3 years.

So whenever the new generation Accord is launched, it will have more advanced features than then-2to3-years old TL(X); just like the current 9G Accord and the aging 4G TL.

But then, by the time the new generation TL(X) is launched, it will catch up and exceed the then-2to3-years old Accord with even more advanced features; like the 5G TL(X) and the older 9G Accord.

Only if the TL(X) and the Accord are launched at the same year, then the TL(X) will always be ahead of the Honda Accord in technology and features.

Legend2TL

The Accord does have FCW and LDW, but yeah it's missing alot of other features listed for the TLX. Product contentization is a tricky field for automakers, gotta stay competitive within your market but also not take away upper product sales. Classic Sloan product marketing.



I doubt it as well, which is sad considering how well engineered the NSX and S2000 were.


Curious to see how the media reviews are once the TLX comes out

VR1

looks fine imo

Steven Bell

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I hate to say it, but I have to agree here.......

dom

Its pretty spot on IMO as well. But to be fair, even Acura I'm sure by now realized that they won't be luring away many BMW/MB/Audi buyers. They'll be happy to get anywhere near where the 3G was sales wise.

For those of you who might argue that its never been driven or reviewed so how can you call it average? That's the point, if first impression doesn't peak your interest, customer's are never likely to go drive it or gather more information.

iforyou

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That's the problem right here. You have no idea what any of this stuff is and go ahead and assume others don't care about these features and proceed to call the technologies in the car average. I don't know man, but that doesn't sound right to me.

You are probably right that most people who buy Civics and Accords don't really care about all those features. However, we are talking about luxury cars here. Luxury for the most part means something inessential but desirable. What's desirable? For car enthusiasts, it could be a lot of engine power. For some, it could be a whole bunch of safety features.

I think most of the time, the TL lags behind the Accord by one year. 2G TL came out in 1999 vs 1998 of the 6G Accord. 3G TL came out in 2004 vs 7G Accord. 4G TL in 2009 vs 8G Accord in 2008. 5G TLX is a the exception with 2 years.

I stand corrected regarding the features.

Which goes back to my previous comment.

"I don't know man if you go by the comments here you'd think design is the single most important factor."

First impression comes from the exterior design, then specs.

oonowindoo

you are comparing V6 SHAWD TL (19" wheels) vs Base model cars.

oonowindoo

There are only so many entry level buyers (that includes current buyers + new buyers - past buyers who move up to mid level luxury cars)

So the increased sales # has to come from somewhere within that group. (entry level luxury cars). People who is buying 4 banger accord, altima, Camry is not going to buy TLX and people who buy 5 series, E class and etc is not going to consider TLX.

Now we previously talked about at what point can acura consider TLX a success? 3G TL level? or 3G TL + TSX level since TLX replaced both cars.

TLX's sales # might look good "initially" but if it cannot replicate the same # with TL +TSX combined, then their overall sedan sales # is still lower than their successful year.

JS + XES

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Really?

iforyou

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I don't think that's a base A4. Base A4 has halogen non-projector style headlights (yup you read that right and yes that's an Audi), a and 17" rims with thicker spokes, The A4 shown in VR1's post has the S-Line package with 18" rims and LED lighting package. You can also see the S-Line emblem behind the front wheel arch. It can also be a A4 prestige or premium plus.

As for the 3 series, it's possible the one shown is a base model. But it can also be a 320i, 328i, or 328d (including x drive). You can get halogen non-projector style headlights and those 17" rims in those trims. It's only when you step into a 335i when you have projector headlights. You can load up a 328i x drive to over $50k and still has the same look as the one shown in the pic.