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The ILX is quite popular in Vancouver, Canada. Heck, one of my friend's family has two! lol.
I guess it's down to the fact that the ILX isn't as expensive relatively to other cars here. For instance, Our Accord starts at $24k as opposed to $22k in the US. On the other hand, our ILX starts at $28k, vs $27k in the US. Another possibility is that Canadians tend to prefer smaller cars than bigger ones. The rebate helps a bit too.
I guess it's down to the fact that the ILX isn't as expensive relatively to other cars here. For instance, Our Accord starts at $24k as opposed to $22k in the US. On the other hand, our ILX starts at $28k, vs $27k in the US. Another possibility is that Canadians tend to prefer smaller cars than bigger ones. The rebate helps a bit too.
#9322
Some dude
I've just as many McLaren MP4-12C's on the street as I have RLX's.
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#9324
I drive a Subata.
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The ILX is quite popular in Vancouver, Canada. Heck, one of my friend's family has two! lol.
I guess it's down to the fact that the ILX isn't as expensive relatively to other cars here. For instance, Our Accord starts at $24k as opposed to $22k in the US. On the other hand, our ILX starts at $28k, vs $27k in the US. Another possibility is that Canadians tend to prefer smaller cars than bigger ones. The rebate helps a bit too.
I guess it's down to the fact that the ILX isn't as expensive relatively to other cars here. For instance, Our Accord starts at $24k as opposed to $22k in the US. On the other hand, our ILX starts at $28k, vs $27k in the US. Another possibility is that Canadians tend to prefer smaller cars than bigger ones. The rebate helps a bit too.
#9325
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Ive seen my first RLX on the road (without dealer plates on it) around here this week. Its been out how long now and its the only one sold. Our dealer has a lot full of them, the original one they got in is still on the showroom floor
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Hmm, it's a pretty common car here in Vancouver. Not Civic-popular, but I see a few on a daily basis (as opposed to seeing 1 or 2 every 3 months or something).
My friend has 2 siblings, the brother has the 2.4 one, and the sister has the regular one. I guess they were able to get a good deal. Cars here are generally more expensive. A fully loaded Mazda3 before accessories is over $30k. On the other hand, you can get an ILX for may be ~$25k. For that money you can drive a Civic Touring.
My friend has 2 siblings, the brother has the 2.4 one, and the sister has the regular one. I guess they were able to get a good deal. Cars here are generally more expensive. A fully loaded Mazda3 before accessories is over $30k. On the other hand, you can get an ILX for may be ~$25k. For that money you can drive a Civic Touring.
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^^^Don't forget, only Yummy, iforyou and about 12 other people live in Canada. As a % of the total population of Canadian drivers, those ILX sales numbers are BIG TIME!
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Canada: 35mil people
US: 320mil people
There are almost 10 times more people in the US than Canada.
The average of the sales numbers from your chart is 260. That's equivalent to 2600 units/month in US.
#9331
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I could be wrong but IIRC the old EL outsold the ILX by a significant margin. The old CSX as well. They were likely cheaper but its obvious even in Canada where we've always had a 'Acura Civic' the ILX hasn't quite caught on.
#9333
I'm the Firestarter
People who wanted to buy what was basically a Civic with leather can just suck it up and buy a Civic. With leather.
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#9334
it's simply a very greedy dealer... he want all the RLX only for himself... he likes this model too much for selling them...
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#9337
Team Owner
where is Canada?
We have La Cañada here
We have La Cañada here
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#9339
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^^^^^
It is very obvious that given the vast disparity in disposable income between population of the two countries, the ILX/EL/Civic strategy only works well in Canada, but not in the US.
It is very obvious that given the vast disparity in disposable income between population of the two countries, the ILX/EL/Civic strategy only works well in Canada, but not in the US.
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#9343
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It was in bad taste, he's admitted as much. Lets move on. This thread has really been side tracked. With little to no TLX info coming lets as least try and keep this thread about Acura.
#9344
Senior Moderator
Ok, I've seen enough. I'm not going back to clean up the other pages of this thread ( I should delete this one and start a new one) but the insults and name calling are going to stop. Take it to PM's if you want to insult each other. The next time I have to delete posts for the above actions or derailing the thread from anything other than TLX will from this point on will be an automatic week vacation.
#9345
This is my 1st post in this thread....the negative bickering has been such a turn off!
So...
While it may not be the greatest of designs, this TLX will sell much better the current TL. The plenum, implemented the way it did on the '09-'11 TL was the worst, IMHO. It was just horrendous! Looked much better on the MMC. The way I see it, the plenum is the least of Acura's problem.
Acura's problem is, having a game plan, and sticking to it!
BTW, how the hell did they think that putting the 2.0L and Hybrid in the ILX(which is a decent looking design, IMO) was a good idea?!
So...
While it may not be the greatest of designs, this TLX will sell much better the current TL. The plenum, implemented the way it did on the '09-'11 TL was the worst, IMHO. It was just horrendous! Looked much better on the MMC. The way I see it, the plenum is the least of Acura's problem.
Acura's problem is, having a game plan, and sticking to it!
BTW, how the hell did they think that putting the 2.0L and Hybrid in the ILX(which is a decent looking design, IMO) was a good idea?!
#9347
Senior Moderator
This is my 1st post in this thread....the negative bickering has been such a turn off!
So...
While it may not be the greatest of designs, this TLX will sell much better the current TL. The plenum, implemented the way it did on the '09-'11 TL was the worst, IMHO. It was just horrendous! Looked much better on the MMC. The way I see it, the plenum is the least of Acura's problem.
Acura's problem is, having a game plan, and sticking to it!
BTW, how the hell did they think that putting the 2.0L and Hybrid in the ILX(which is a decent lo6oking design, IMO) was a good idea?!
So...
While it may not be the greatest of designs, this TLX will sell much better the current TL. The plenum, implemented the way it did on the '09-'11 TL was the worst, IMHO. It was just horrendous! Looked much better on the MMC. The way I see it, the plenum is the least of Acura's problem.
Acura's problem is, having a game plan, and sticking to it!
BTW, how the hell did they think that putting the 2.0L and Hybrid in the ILX(which is a decent lo6oking design, IMO) was a good idea?!
#9348
Instructor
I truly believe the bean counters are the blame for that decision. In theory I can see how it makes sense - for the professional 25-40 yo crowd who doesn't know anything about cars, the 2L and hybrid may make sense. Those people just want to get from A to B and look good doing it. For whatever reason, I think it's primarily pricing and advertising and to a lesser extent the car frankly not being any good, Acura has wildly missed its mark with that crowd. Even the 2.4L ILX is a miss. It's not luxurious and it's not sporty enough. I agree with you, it's an elegant looking car, and the idea of trying to hit up the gen Y people like me makes a lot of sense as there's no car out on the market that appeals specifically for this crowd, but they didn't execute the plan very well. I'm the guy who grew up on the Integra and as such, I'm excited about new iterations of the small Acura, but the ILX is a let down to me.
#9349
Lola
All they have to do is follow what Audi did: Put all of their sedan lineup on a longitudinal engine platform. Acura had huge successes with it back in the early 90s. RWD or not doesn't even matter now, since they have mastered the whole AWD thing already.
#9350
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While it may not be the greatest of designs, this TLX will sell much better the current TL. The plenum, implemented the way it did on the '09-'11 TL was the worst, IMHO. It was just horrendous! Looked much better on the MMC. The way I see it, the plenum is the least of Acura's problem.
Acura's problem is, having a game plan, and sticking to it!
So in contrast to the ILX, I think Acura actually tried with the TLX. The ILX strikes me as a car where they raided the parts bin and put together a generic little Acura (at least in terms of engineering). The TLX appears to have had more effort put into it in the engineering side. The appearance is definitely a conservative/safe/just don't fail look, but the engineering side took some risks. What made Honda exciting in the past was they took engineering risks and they worked very well; they did things in an elegant manner nobody else could. I kind of see that happening now with things like super hybrid SHAWD, PAWS, SHAWD, 8DCT, turbo VTEC. There's certainly seems to be a lot more new stuff coming out of Honda than in the last 8 years or so. We'll see if any of it is actually any good.
#9351
So in contrast to the ILX, I think Acura actually tried with the TLX. The ILX strikes me as a car where they raided the parts bin and put together a generic little Acura (at least in terms of engineering). The TLX appears to have had more effort put into it in the engineering side. The appearance is definitely a conservative/safe/just don't fail look, but the engineering side took some risks. What made Honda exciting in the past was they took engineering risks and they worked very well; they did things in an elegant manner nobody else could. I kind of see that happening now with things like super hybrid SHAWD, PAWS, SHAWD, 8DCT, turbo VTEC. There's certainly seems to be a lot more new stuff coming out of Honda than in the last 8 years or so. We'll see if any of it is actually any good.
#9352
Instructor
That's what makes it more sad. When they say what the competition is(IS?, A4, or A3?), they then decide to put those 2 drivetrains in. Should have just done the 2.4 alone, IMHO! I just don't get the hybrid thing! ILX 2.4L, 22/31/25, $30,095...ILX 1.5L Hybrid, 39/38/38, $35,495. You get a more powerful engine, and save a little over $5k. WTF, $5k buys a whole lot o' gas, lol!
I don't mind a hybrid model, but the hybrid technology they used on the ILX was way out of date. There's way more potential in the electric motors than what the IMA setup offers - just look at the P1, 918, LaFerrari. There is serious performance potential in hybrids.
#9353
for ex: two ILX with 1.6td (140hp) and 2.0t (220hp),
and two TLX: 3.0td (240hp) and a 3.0t (320hp). Nothing more.
And in 2-3 years a TL-S with a V8 (420-450hp)...
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#9354
Team Owner
and even more affordable in clean diesel engines (turbo-turbo-diesel)... you get performance and great fuel efficency.
for ex: two ILX with 1.6td (140hp) and 2.0t (220hp),
and two TLX: 3.0td (240hp) and a 3.0t (320hp). Nothing more.
And in 2-3 years a TL-S with a V8 (420-450hp)...![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
for ex: two ILX with 1.6td (140hp) and 2.0t (220hp),
and two TLX: 3.0td (240hp) and a 3.0t (320hp). Nothing more.
And in 2-3 years a TL-S with a V8 (420-450hp)...
![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
#9355
Instructor
and even more affordable in clean diesel engines (turbo-turbo-diesel)... you get performance and great fuel efficency.
for ex: two ILX with 1.6td (140hp) and 2.0t (220hp),
and two TLX: 3.0td (240hp) and a 3.0t (320hp). Nothing more.
And in 2-3 years a TL-S with a V8 (420-450hp)...![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
for ex: two ILX with 1.6td (140hp) and 2.0t (220hp),
and two TLX: 3.0td (240hp) and a 3.0t (320hp). Nothing more.
And in 2-3 years a TL-S with a V8 (420-450hp)...
![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Well I don't know if diesel options are going to help Acura much, but who knows.
Basically as I see it now, they've already got themselves some engine options that we know they have or know they are working on, which may work on future ILX&TLX. These are just rough hp estimates -
200-220hp: 1.5L turbo, 2.4L from TLX
220-270hp: ?
270-330hp: 2.0L turbo from Civic Type R, 3.5L V6
330-500hp: V6 + hybrid?, 2.0L turbo + hybrid?
Which kind of makes me wonder... are they going to go turbo in the future or stick with the equivalent powered N/A options? Using both seems redundant.
#9356
Azine Jabroni
Well I don't know if diesel options are going to help Acura much, but who knows.
Basically as I see it now, they've already got themselves some engine options that we know they have or know they are working on, which may work on future ILX&TLX. These are just rough hp estimates -
200-220hp: 1.5L turbo, 2.4L from TLX
220-270hp: ?
270-330hp: 2.0L turbo from Civic Type R, 3.5L V6
330-500hp: V6 + hybrid?, 2.0L turbo + hybrid?
Which kind of makes me wonder... are they going to go turbo in the future or stick with the equivalent powered N/A options? Using both seems redundant.
Basically as I see it now, they've already got themselves some engine options that we know they have or know they are working on, which may work on future ILX&TLX. These are just rough hp estimates -
200-220hp: 1.5L turbo, 2.4L from TLX
220-270hp: ?
270-330hp: 2.0L turbo from Civic Type R, 3.5L V6
330-500hp: V6 + hybrid?, 2.0L turbo + hybrid?
Which kind of makes me wonder... are they going to go turbo in the future or stick with the equivalent powered N/A options? Using both seems redundant.
My 2008 A4 had a 2.0T with like 200 hp and 200 lb-ft of torque. My 2013 TSX has a 2.4L with 200 hp-ish but only 170 lb-ft of torque. The 2.0T was quite a bit louder than the 2.4 but the torque difference was also noticeable. So no, they're not exactly redundant, but I see your point.
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#9357
Team Owner
That is the difference between "useable" power vs. I am going to rev the shit out of this engine power. Pushing hard vs. Effortless
Can the 2.4 N/A provide similar performance as most of the 2.0T? Sure, absolutely.
Certain engines belong to certain cars that target different buyers.
This is not year 2000 anymore, screaming Vtec while accelerating in a family sedan is not cool anymore.
Can the 2.4 N/A provide similar performance as most of the 2.0T? Sure, absolutely.
Certain engines belong to certain cars that target different buyers.
This is not year 2000 anymore, screaming Vtec while accelerating in a family sedan is not cool anymore.
#9358
Fahrvergnügen'd
It seems like there are two schools of thought:
1. Japan. Naturally aspirated engines. Period. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, and Mazda are all trying to get as much mileage out of NA four-bangers as they can.
2. Everyone but GM. Varying displacement and force-induction engines including turbo/supercharger forced induction.
3. GM. Picking and choosing but not really consistently applying a technology and sticking to it.
Who is right? I think that's difficult to say. But I am going to bet that at some point the Japanese with their 3.7L V6s are going to be the dinosaurs if they don't start changing.
1. Japan. Naturally aspirated engines. Period. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, and Mazda are all trying to get as much mileage out of NA four-bangers as they can.
2. Everyone but GM. Varying displacement and force-induction engines including turbo/supercharger forced induction.
3. GM. Picking and choosing but not really consistently applying a technology and sticking to it.
Who is right? I think that's difficult to say. But I am going to bet that at some point the Japanese with their 3.7L V6s are going to be the dinosaurs if they don't start changing.
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#9359
Azine Jabroni
3. GM. Picking and choosing but not really consistently applying a technology and sticking to it.
To GMs credit, the appear to be the only US company that manages to compete on all fronts. Chrysler feels like they might be going in the right direction with the new Jeeps and the Dodge reorganization, but the actual Chrysler brand doesn't really compete. The Ford brand is the best American brand IMHO, but they can't seem to do anything well with Lincoln. GM has managed to compete in nearly every segment. Chevy is a bit weaker than Ford, Buick is at least a competitive Japanese alternative (and it's killing it in China), and Cadillac is more than a viable competitor to the European models.
#9360
Team Owner
This wave of FI engines is no different than DI, 6/7/8/9 speed auto tranny, paddle shifter, DCT, and etc..
It is just the way the market is moving forward or "advancing" if you will, and eventually all the Japanese brand including Honda/Acura will give in. I suspect that Nissan/Infiniti will be the first one to do it since they already have the blue print of a proven V6 TT on file.
What is frustrating is why does Honda/Acura always, always have to the be the last to arrive on everything!!
It is just the way the market is moving forward or "advancing" if you will, and eventually all the Japanese brand including Honda/Acura will give in. I suspect that Nissan/Infiniti will be the first one to do it since they already have the blue print of a proven V6 TT on file.
What is frustrating is why does Honda/Acura always, always have to the be the last to arrive on everything!!