Acura: TLX News
05-09-2014, 01:33 PM
#9162
Well who pays MSRP for any car, really? So in a way, it matters for bragging rights (I guess) for being out of reach for a certain portion of the public because you do build that perception of luxury when you do that; but really, for those who can afford it, it kinda doesn't. In fact, I am sure luxury cars get their prices chopped off way better than cars for the non-luxury market (a rather cruel irony). That 50K TLX advanced is probably walking out the door at 45K (maybe even in its first month of being available), tops. And I'm sure there are dealers who will be going even lower once manufacturer incentives are thrown in for them.
05-09-2014, 01:38 PM
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I'm all for hybrid and EV technology, the potential is far greater than the ICE, but I agree about the owners. Without having actually done any research on the total environmental impact of a hybrid vs. gasoline, people just assume a hybrid is more environmentally friendly. Not much consideration is given towards the fossil fuels required to actually make a hybrid. I think in the end yes, the total carbon footprint of a hybrid can turn out to be less, given that it's driven enough, but I feel a lot of hybrid owners don't even consider a lot of that.
05-09-2014, 04:06 PM
#9164
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Well who pays MSRP for any car, really? So in a way, it matters for bragging rights (I guess) for being out of reach for a certain portion of the public because you do build that perception of luxury when you do that; but really, for those who can afford it, it kinda doesn't. In fact, I am sure luxury cars get their prices chopped off way better than cars for the non-luxury market (a rather cruel irony). That 50K TLX advanced is probably walking out the door at 45K (maybe even in its first month of being available), tops. And I'm sure there are dealers who will be going even lower once manufacturer incentives are thrown in for them.
in fact, you probably can get more discount from German cars than Japanese cars. $10k off on E class is almost the starting point of negotiation and if you don't get 5k off on a NON base 5 series, then you are doing something wrong.
05-09-2014, 04:10 PM
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I'm all for hybrid and EV technology, the potential is far greater than the ICE, but I agree about the owners. Without having actually done any research on the total environmental impact of a hybrid vs. gasoline, people just assume a hybrid is more environmentally friendly. Not much consideration is given towards the fossil fuels required to actually make a hybrid. I think in the end yes, the total carbon footprint of a hybrid can turn out to be less, given that it's driven enough, but I feel a lot of hybrid owners don't even consider a lot of that.
Where did this come from?
05-09-2014, 04:13 PM
#9166
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I think he is a bot.
05-09-2014, 05:05 PM
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05-09-2014, 05:12 PM
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We were just pointing out that Honda needs to develop better Hybrid cars like Prius which has been selling like a hot cake for the past 10 years.
What made you to post that environmental stuff? Just curious.
05-09-2014, 05:47 PM
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If you see what you quoted, it was TLX, not TL.
IS350 in marketing terms starts at $39k and if you are going to add F sport, then i would expect TLX to add Type S or A spec but it does not have any. So you can't add F sport.
$50k is stated as MSRP for TL FWD Advanced Model. Maybe Acura will change it later but as of right now that is the most accurate information from Acura.com
4 bangers TLX will start at mid to low 30s, so does IS250. You can't compare TLX with IS on pricing and then compare everything else with ES350.
You are stretching your argument, my friend.
My point is IF the Pricing is following the same structure as RLX, which it seems it is, based on what is stated on Acura.com
TL is definitely not a Value buy anymore (With maybe except the base model)
Fully loaded FWD TL = $50k, type S will be around $54k.
That is pretty much similar to Germans and more expensive than Lexus IS even with F sport.
IS350 in marketing terms starts at $39k and if you are going to add F sport, then i would expect TLX to add Type S or A spec but it does not have any. So you can't add F sport.
$50k is stated as MSRP for TL FWD Advanced Model. Maybe Acura will change it later but as of right now that is the most accurate information from Acura.com
4 bangers TLX will start at mid to low 30s, so does IS250. You can't compare TLX with IS on pricing and then compare everything else with ES350.
You are stretching your argument, my friend.
My point is IF the Pricing is following the same structure as RLX, which it seems it is, based on what is stated on Acura.com
TL is definitely not a Value buy anymore (With maybe except the base model)
Fully loaded FWD TL = $50k, type S will be around $54k.
That is pretty much similar to Germans and more expensive than Lexus IS even with F sport.
FWIW, we have no idea how much each trim is for the TLX.
It's fair enough that F sport should not be added as there's no A-spec trim on the TLX yet.
I do not see the MSRP of $50k for the TLX FWD Advance on Acura.com. Would be please provide a link please? The only price that I found on acura.com was $50k for the TLX AWD Advance.
For comparison, IS350 AWD starts at $42k MSRP. Once loaded with the luxury package, the total msrp is $50k.
I'm not sure where I was stretching my argument, please explain. I was comparing the TLX to ES AND IS, not just ES?
Again, please post the link where Acura.com says the TL FWD Advance is $50k.
The only link I can find is the following: http://www.acura.com/thrillrules.aspx
It states clearly the following,
One (1) winner will receive a 2015 Acura TLX Advance SH-AWD. The approximate retail value (“ARV”) of the prize is $49,995. Note: the Acura TLX is not available to the public until June 1, 2014, and not all trim levels will be available until September 2014. The ARV is based on current Manufacturer’s Suggest Retail Price (“MSRP”) estimates, but the MSRP is subject to change prior to availability.
05-09-2014, 06:02 PM
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It's just not a fun idea to talk about pricing when there's no official pricing. 
05-09-2014, 06:55 PM
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basically just a response to these posts
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05-09-2014, 08:41 PM
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I think its about time to close this thread up since it is so far from the actual topic and maybe start a new thread ABOUT the TLX......
05-10-2014, 10:59 AM
#9173
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Just saw the part 2 and part 3 videos.
230lb+ weight loss on the AWD model is great. That makes the car to be about 3700lb to 3750lb versus the current 4G TL AWD 6AT. That's comparable to 335i x drive, A4 2.0T quattro, ATS 3.6 AWD, and IS350 RWD. These are all around 3700-3750lb.
Seems like the new TLX will be an extremely quiet car. Mat also seems very enthusiastic about how the car drives.
230lb+ weight loss on the AWD model is great. That makes the car to be about 3700lb to 3750lb versus the current 4G TL AWD 6AT. That's comparable to 335i x drive, A4 2.0T quattro, ATS 3.6 AWD, and IS350 RWD. These are all around 3700-3750lb.
Seems like the new TLX will be an extremely quiet car. Mat also seems very enthusiastic about how the car drives.
05-12-2014, 11:39 AM
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The weight loss of the 2.4L FWD unit vs the TSX is not bad either at 140lb. The TLX 2.4 would probably start at around 3340lb.
05-12-2014, 12:14 PM
#9175
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I meant to say AWD TLX Advance is $50k
So basically you agreed that TLX cost just as much as Lexus and we can all agree that Acura is not Lexus.
That is why i said TLX is not really a "value buy" anymore (Maybe except the base model)
as far as stretching your argument, if you compare TL(X) with ES, TL(X) will win every time because ES really offers nothing that can really compete with TL(X) and ES was never meant to even be in the same conversation with TL(X), G37(Q50), 3 series, IS and etc...
While you can make the argument that TL(X) is different than Accord, but ES is really just a Camry since day 1.
So basically you agreed that TLX cost just as much as Lexus and we can all agree that Acura is not Lexus.
That is why i said TLX is not really a "value buy" anymore (Maybe except the base model)
as far as stretching your argument, if you compare TL(X) with ES, TL(X) will win every time because ES really offers nothing that can really compete with TL(X) and ES was never meant to even be in the same conversation with TL(X), G37(Q50), 3 series, IS and etc...
While you can make the argument that TL(X) is different than Accord, but ES is really just a Camry since day 1.
05-12-2014, 04:48 PM
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I meant to say AWD TLX Advance is $50k
So basically you agreed that TLX cost just as much as Lexus and we can all agree that Acura is not Lexus.
That is why i said TLX is not really a "value buy" anymore (Maybe except the base model)
as far as stretching your argument, if you compare TL(X) with ES, TL(X) will win every time because ES really offers nothing that can really compete with TL(X) and ES was never meant to even be in the same conversation with TL(X), G37(Q50), 3 series, IS and etc...
While you can make the argument that TL(X) is different than Accord, but ES is really just a Camry since day 1.
So basically you agreed that TLX cost just as much as Lexus and we can all agree that Acura is not Lexus.
That is why i said TLX is not really a "value buy" anymore (Maybe except the base model)
as far as stretching your argument, if you compare TL(X) with ES, TL(X) will win every time because ES really offers nothing that can really compete with TL(X) and ES was never meant to even be in the same conversation with TL(X), G37(Q50), 3 series, IS and etc...
While you can make the argument that TL(X) is different than Accord, but ES is really just a Camry since day 1.
With that said, back in 2004, the TL started at $32.6k, ES started at $31.7k, and IS300 started at $29.4K. You get more features and power in the TL in 2004, but you are also paying more.
05-12-2014, 04:55 PM
#9178
I feel the need...
It's a tweener compared to the two if you are going versus IS/GS comps.
I think the comparisons to an ES is silly because by no stretch of the imagination has an ES been thrown in the "athletic" category. Ever.
05-12-2014, 05:40 PM
#9179
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SH-AWD V6 9AT TECH is a value buy at $42k real world price versus a comparably equipped GS 350 AWD. Or do you compare it to an IS 350 AWD?
It's a tweener compared to the two if you are going versus IS/GS comps.
I think the comparisons to an ES is silly because by no stretch of the imagination has an ES been thrown in the "athletic" category. Ever.
It's a tweener compared to the two if you are going versus IS/GS comps.
I think the comparisons to an ES is silly because by no stretch of the imagination has an ES been thrown in the "athletic" category. Ever.
you are comparing TLX and GS? then what about RLX?
Unless you think TLX is in the same segment as 5 series and E class then TLX should be compared with IS.
That is what i meant when he starting comparing TLX and ES in prices. because ES is really in its own class, for boring people who have never seen anything over 60mph.
05-12-2014, 05:59 PM
#9180
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When you say the TLX now costs as much as Lexus, I am assuming you are talking about both IS and ES? I guess you can say that though we won't really know until official figures for all models are released.
With that said, back in 2004, the TL started at $32.6k, ES started at $31.7k, and IS300 started at $29.4K. You get more features and power in the TL in 2004, but you are also paying more.
With that said, back in 2004, the TL started at $32.6k, ES started at $31.7k, and IS300 started at $29.4K. You get more features and power in the TL in 2004, but you are also paying more.
That is $5,000 jump than current TL.
So until the official price is released, that is the most accurate information we have.
Like i said earlier, i hope Acura is not following the same pricing structure as RLX because regardless what kind of discount you get in real life, that # will turn away a lot of the buyers before they even step into the dealer.
So if Acura think they can put a $60k price tag on a FWD RLX, then i really would not be surprised if they put a $50k on the AWD TLX.
at the end of the day, these are the same crackheads that thought they could sell a $60k FWD RLX.
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05-12-2014, 06:27 PM
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Of course, all these talks are all based on what is posted on Acura.com that top of the line TLX (Non TypeS) will cost $49,995.
That is $5,000 jump than current TL.
So until the official price is released, that is the most accurate information we have.
Like i said earlier, i hope Acura is not following the same pricing structure as RLX because regardless what kind of discount you get in real life, that # will turn away a lot of the buyers before they even step into the dealer.
So if Acura think they can put a $60k price tag on a FWD RLX, then i really would not be surprised if they put a $50k on the AWD TLX.
at the end of the day, these are the same crackheads that thought they could sell a $60k FWD RLX.
That is $5,000 jump than current TL.
So until the official price is released, that is the most accurate information we have.
Like i said earlier, i hope Acura is not following the same pricing structure as RLX because regardless what kind of discount you get in real life, that # will turn away a lot of the buyers before they even step into the dealer.
So if Acura think they can put a $60k price tag on a FWD RLX, then i really would not be surprised if they put a $50k on the AWD TLX.
at the end of the day, these are the same crackheads that thought they could sell a $60k FWD RLX.
Where did you see $49995 on the Acura.com website?
I looked at the TLX page and there is no price anywhere.
05-12-2014, 06:33 PM
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So pure speculation on my part: after about six to nine months on sale, I don't think it is outrageous to think an astute buyer can scoop up super duper handling 9AT TECH around $42k~ish.
230lbs lighter, .5 seconds quicker to 60, heck that should be right around the 5.2 seconds my 6MT will run. LED headlights, ELS surround, Navi, better NVH, IDS, etc, etc... Value play.
But I'm sure ChuckMichael will say the MKZizzle or Regal GSizzle is a better buy.
05-12-2014, 09:21 PM
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05-12-2014, 11:48 PM
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where did you get $42k price?
you are comparing TLX and GS? then what about RLX?
Unless you think TLX is in the same segment as 5 series and E class then TLX should be compared with IS.
That is what i meant when he starting comparing TLX and ES in prices. because ES is really in its own class, for boring people who have never seen anything over 60mph.
you are comparing TLX and GS? then what about RLX?
Unless you think TLX is in the same segment as 5 series and E class then TLX should be compared with IS.
That is what i meant when he starting comparing TLX and ES in prices. because ES is really in its own class, for boring people who have never seen anything over 60mph.
both TLX and GS exact same size and I tend to think TLX will have more space.
RLX is topsafety pick+ and TLX should follow it. there is no way any current lexus safer.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/acura/rlx
infact Lexus LS does not have that much rear legroom than RLX nor its V8 faster or quieter.
Lexus is the most overrated garbage that is dished out to consumers.
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05-13-2014, 12:41 AM
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05-13-2014, 10:09 AM
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http://www.acura.com/TLXLanding.aspx
Where did you see $49995 on the Acura.com website?
I looked at the TLX page and there is no price anywhere.
Where did you see $49995 on the Acura.com website?
I looked at the TLX page and there is no price anywhere.
Read 5A. And yes, this is all still speculation because the price is approximate.
05-13-2014, 10:28 AM
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It's already been posted a million times, but here: http://www.acura.com/thrillrules.aspx
Read 5A. And yes, this is all still speculation because the price is approximate.
Read 5A. And yes, this is all still speculation because the price is approximate.
"posted a millions times"? 
05-13-2014, 11:55 AM
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05-13-2014, 12:35 PM
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Of course, all these talks are all based on what is posted on Acura.com that top of the line TLX (Non TypeS) will cost $49,995.
That is $5,000 jump than current TL.
So until the official price is released, that is the most accurate information we have.
Like i said earlier, i hope Acura is not following the same pricing structure as RLX because regardless what kind of discount you get in real life, that # will turn away a lot of the buyers before they even step into the dealer.
So if Acura think they can put a $60k price tag on a FWD RLX, then i really would not be surprised if they put a $50k on the AWD TLX.
at the end of the day, these are the same crackheads that thought they could sell a $60k FWD RLX.
That is $5,000 jump than current TL.
So until the official price is released, that is the most accurate information we have.
Like i said earlier, i hope Acura is not following the same pricing structure as RLX because regardless what kind of discount you get in real life, that # will turn away a lot of the buyers before they even step into the dealer.
So if Acura think they can put a $60k price tag on a FWD RLX, then i really would not be surprised if they put a $50k on the AWD TLX.
at the end of the day, these are the same crackheads that thought they could sell a $60k FWD RLX.
You know, I can accept the TLX Advance AWD behing at $50k, provided that it is significantly better equipped and stuff. FWIW, I see that term as the "halo" trim to showcase what the car has to offer. I'm more worried about the other trims where most sales will be coming from. Price it wrong and it will be a disaster like the RLX.
http://www.acura.com/TLXLanding.aspx
Where did you see $49995 on the Acura.com website?
I looked at the TLX page and there is no price anywhere.
Where did you see $49995 on the Acura.com website?
I looked at the TLX page and there is no price anywhere.
05-13-2014, 12:55 PM
#9192
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yea Acura needs to be careful about the pricing.
You know, I can accept the TLX Advance AWD behing at $50k, provided that it is significantly better equipped and stuff. FWIW, I see that term as the "halo" trim to showcase what the car has to offer. I'm more worried about the other trims where most sales will be coming from. Price it wrong and it will be a disaster like the RLX.
I posted the link in one of my posts on the previous page.
You know, I can accept the TLX Advance AWD behing at $50k, provided that it is significantly better equipped and stuff. FWIW, I see that term as the "halo" trim to showcase what the car has to offer. I'm more worried about the other trims where most sales will be coming from. Price it wrong and it will be a disaster like the RLX.
I posted the link in one of my posts on the previous page.
Since the RLX w/Advance Package starts at $60k that means the RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD will cost around what, $65k-$68k? I can't see Acura selling the TLX AWD for less the $55k unless they want absolutely no one to buy an RLX.
05-13-2014, 01:16 PM
#9193
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Conventional wisdom says that TLX SH-AWD ADVANCE priced at $50k is very optimistic on Acura's part. And IF we go by RLX pricing, we can assume the SH-AWD TECH will MSRP at $45k with an $42.5k invoice.
So pure speculation on my part: after about six to nine months on sale, I don't think it is outrageous to think an astute buyer can scoop up super duper handling 9AT TECH around $42k~ish.
230lbs lighter, .5 seconds quicker to 60, heck that should be right around the 5.2 seconds my 6MT will run. LED headlights, ELS surround, Navi, better NVH, IDS, etc, etc... Value play.
But I'm sure ChuckMichael will say the MKZizzle or Regal GSizzle is a better buy.
So pure speculation on my part: after about six to nine months on sale, I don't think it is outrageous to think an astute buyer can scoop up super duper handling 9AT TECH around $42k~ish.
230lbs lighter, .5 seconds quicker to 60, heck that should be right around the 5.2 seconds my 6MT will run. LED headlights, ELS surround, Navi, better NVH, IDS, etc, etc... Value play.
But I'm sure ChuckMichael will say the MKZizzle or Regal GSizzle is a better buy.
a small increase is ok. $5000 is not.
If TLX is the only car on the planet, sure. why not. But the price is determined by the market, competitions and how much are customers willing to pay. Not simply because how much the car is worth. A car's worthiness in Luxury market is as irrelevant as all season tires.
Do we think RLX with all these tech and "superiority" are worth $60k, sure. But it means shit when no one is willing to pay for it.
05-13-2014, 01:17 PM
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05-13-2014, 01:19 PM
#9195
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GS has very outdated shape like 10 year old. and without 265 size rear tires. its handling is junk. I don't think you can compare super sophisticated, super quiet , aerodynamic efficient TLX with GS.
both TLX and GS exact same size and I tend to think TLX will have more space.
RLX is topsafety pick+ and TLX should follow it. there is no way any current lexus safer.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/acura/rlx
infact Lexus LS does not have that much rear legroom than RLX nor its V8 faster or quieter.
Lexus is the most overrated garbage that is dished out to consumers.
both TLX and GS exact same size and I tend to think TLX will have more space.
RLX is topsafety pick+ and TLX should follow it. there is no way any current lexus safer.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/acura/rlx
infact Lexus LS does not have that much rear legroom than RLX nor its V8 faster or quieter.
Lexus is the most overrated garbage that is dished out to consumers.
05-13-2014, 01:21 PM
#9196
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, my bad.
05-13-2014, 01:30 PM
#9197
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The newer steel alloys have resulted in some pretty rigid modern unibodies. One reason I think Porsche has kept the mainstream products (911, Boxster, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamara) with steel as the main structural material instead of aluminum. That and modern CAD (ProE, SolidWorks, FEA,...) have made cars alot safer and stiffer.
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05-13-2014, 02:09 PM
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05-13-2014, 02:14 PM
#9199
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05-13-2014, 02:24 PM
#9200
I knew someone was going to say because it is a better car than 4G TL the price hike is justified.
a small increase is ok. $5000 is not.
If TLX is the only car on the planet, sure. why not. But the price is determined by the market, competitions and how much are customers willing to pay. Not simply because how much the car is worth. A car's worthiness in Luxury market is as irrelevant as all season tires.
Do we think RLX with all these tech and "superiority" are worth $60k, sure. But it means shit when no one is willing to pay for it.
a small increase is ok. $5000 is not.
If TLX is the only car on the planet, sure. why not. But the price is determined by the market, competitions and how much are customers willing to pay. Not simply because how much the car is worth. A car's worthiness in Luxury market is as irrelevant as all season tires.
Do we think RLX with all these tech and "superiority" are worth $60k, sure. But it means shit when no one is willing to pay for it.