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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 05:27 AM
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Welcome to the world of real IT. Microsoft has a long glowing history of their server admin tools and pre-release versions being matches made in Hell. This is true of both pre-release admin tools as well as pre-release desktop operating systems.
I don't remember this being a problem back in the NT4 days, but I'll agree it has gotten MUCH worse lately. Our admin has been pulling his hair out trying to find combinations of server products that work together and we're being completely held back because our domain is only Windows 2000 compatibility level.

We recently got our Exchange level up to 2007 only to find out there's no upgrade path from Exchange 2007 to 2010.

Again, I don't remember having these problems a long time ago. The acceleration of progress is definitely causing issues. I can't even imagine what it's like being on an MS dev team trying to ensure compatibility for your product.
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:08 AM
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We recently got our Exchange level up to 2007 only to find out there's no upgrade path from Exchange 2007 to 2010.
I assume you mean there's no "in place" upgrade path to keep the same physical hardware.
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
I assume you mean there's no "in place" upgrade path to keep the same physical hardware.
Haven't seen any info on 2010 yet...
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
I assume you mean there's no "in place" upgrade path to keep the same physical hardware.
Yeah. You can't upgrade an existing installation. It has to be a new install. I hear that the Exchange users are raising a huge stink about it, so maybe that will change by the time 2010 comes out.
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:31 AM
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Yeah. You can't upgrade an existing installation. It has to be a new install. I hear that the Exchange users are raising a huge stink about it, so maybe that will change by the time 2010 comes out.
For all intents and purposes, the same held true for Exchange 2007. I seem to recall that a 2003->2007 in-place upgrade was theoretically listed as possible but I believe all of Microsoft's official party lines basically said "we really REALLY discourage you from doing this."

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Haven't seen any info on 2010 yet...
I've just been browsing the E2K10 posts at the official Exchange team blog and the E2K10 videos posted on Technet Edge. The 2010 OWA looks totally tits but I think you need to have everyone on 2010 mailboxes before you can fully utilize some of the features.

http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/category/11164.aspx
http://edge.technet.com/Tags/exchange+2010/
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:35 AM
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Yeah, after I posted I checked it out...Man, just finally getting used to 2007
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
For all intents and purposes, the same held true for Exchange 2007. I seem to recall that a 2003->2007 in-place upgrade was theoretically listed as possible but I believe all of Microsoft's official party lines basically said "we really REALLY discourage you from doing this."
As I recall, the killer for us was that Ex2007 is 64-bit only, so not only was it a fresh install of Exchange, it was a new OS install, and that led to other complications. We still have a lot of Win2k servers out there and we got shot down on our request for new hardware (both servers and workstations), so we're stuck for maybe another year. We were hoping to do a full refresh with Windows 7 on workstations and 2008 on all servers. *sigh*
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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I registered for the Dell Windows 7 upgrade program - does anyone have an idea when that'll be available?
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 12:02 PM
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Does that mean that YOU are drooling for Windows 7
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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I read that the OEMs will be allowed to start shipping their free upgrade discs on the October 22 release date.
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
Does that mean that YOU are drooling for Windows 7
yes

anything to get me off of this Vista!! haha
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
I read that the OEMs will be allowed to start shipping their free upgrade discs on the October 22 release date.
cool deal
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:56 AM
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Not sure i'd ever use it but..

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../dd320286.aspx

The Problem Steps Recorder in the Windows 7 operating system is a feature that enables users to record their interactions with an application and provide a detailed screen-by-screen view with accompanying information. Learn how the recording can be used to quickly identify problems and help reduce time spent with the help desk.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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MS has released a 90 day Free Trial of Win 7 Enterprise (Ultimate) Edition for download.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/e.../cc442495.aspx

Anyone can sign up and use this. From what I hear you can't turn it into a legit pay version after the 90 days are up.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
MS has released a 90 day Free Trial of Win 7 Enterprise (Ultimate) Edition for download.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/e.../cc442495.aspx
Just a point of clarification. Enterprise and Ultimate are two different editions and this download is, in fact, for Enterprise. The difference in feature sets between Enterprise and Ultimate is minimal and would likely never effect anyone that's not in a corporate environment.

It is important to note, however, that Enterprise edition is only available to Microsoft volume licensing customers. As such, an individual user is probably not going to be able to obtain a product key to activate this trial copy.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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No Enterprise and Ultimate are exactly the same. Ultimate is the retail version of Enterprise and can be downloaded from Microsoft store while Enterprise is only available to VL. I know of no difference between the two besides their name, different names for different markets, same product.

http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_skus_compare.asp
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Since I just saw it. Has anyone used SUA (Subsytem for Unix Applications)? Is that like a sort of reverse WINE in Linux and you can ran UNIX apps on Windows?
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
No Enterprise and Ultimate are exactly the same. Ultimate is the retail version of Enterprise and can be downloaded from Microsoft store while Enterprise is only available to VL. I know of no difference between the two besides their name, different names for different markets, same product.

http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_skus_compare.asp
A) I think Paul Thurrott is a f*cktard.

B) Even if he's correct, I'd bet a decent chunk of change that Enterprise and Ultimate are going to activate differently -including having different sets of valid keys- which would make my point about individual users obtaining a key for Enterprise just as valid.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 06:56 PM
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Yes they'll have different keys cause Enterprise isn't available at retail or to the general public it only available for volume license. So yes it will have a different key. The Enterprise Free trial doesn't require a key to activate as it's built in already. Plus you can't turn the free version into a pay version. You'll have to do a clean install of the pay version and lose all the documents, etc on the free version.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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The WOW starts NOW! This W7 commercial is crazy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssOq02DTTMU
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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What makes it crazy?
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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So I'm checking out the related videos and I see a bunch of the "laptop hunter" commercials. I don't watch TV, so I've not seen them, but I hear they are pretty popular.

I was unimpressed. Although they certainly aren't as insulting as the "I'm a Mac" commercials, I didn't really get any sense that people were buying a computer because it had Windows. It had the specs they wanted and was priced right, so they bought it.

You what's a good commercial? The iPhone commercials, where they present a task or a problem, and how the iPhone directly and easily addresses it. Why can't all commercials be like that: show me what your product can do for me.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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The iPhone commercials are good. they show features that most phones have but I bet alot people don't know that their phones can do it too. So they see the iPhone and they're like damn I wish my phone could do that unaware that their phone has had copy and paste years before the iPhone did.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 09:19 PM
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I'll gotta hand it to Microsoft, good commercial/bad commercial, truth/lies, whatever you think, they've got the cute kids thing down pat.
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Ok, I've read the Youtube comments for this video and have just enough brain left enouhj thype messgae go sleep now recharfe mornning. nitee
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There's been a big breakthrough for Windows Media Center for Windows 7!

This just in from our team at Microsoft's MCE event at CEDIA -- the OEM requirement on CableCARDs has been officially lifted, freeing Joe Six Packs all over from having to buy whole systems. The photo above pretty much says it all -- enthusiasts (hey, that's us!) can add CableCARD tuners to their PC. Even though a DIY workaround has been around for a while, it's nice not to have to break/bend the rules to get your shows recorded, isn't it?


You can now record and copy digital TV between PCs, Zunes, etc. Before if you wanted to record digital TV you had to buy a PC from an OEM that had the cablecard built into it. If you had already built a PC you were out of luck. Now you can go out a by a cable card device, set it up with your cable company and record digital cable on any PC. This is great cause WMC was really struggling lately cause of this stupid requirement that the PC had to come from an OEM and you couldn't add on this functionality. If this works with my FiOS I'll be get a 4 stream cable card and by syncing with my Zune HD.

Ceton appears to be the first company that will have a compatible card out and they're saying it'll be 1Q 2010



Also Windows 7 will be getting the integrated Netflix streaming add-on in WMC as well



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The netflix add-on is wonderful. Now netflix needs to have more movies for streaming.
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It's actually already out for Vista it's just better in 7, but they aren't saying how. I'm expecting there to be some sort of little surprises when 7 launches in October. Much like the XP mode was a secret until RC phase.
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i ran a media center pc for about a year. it convinced my wife that recording shows wasn't a silly idea only problem i had was picking a good decoder and getting decent image quality. u could mess with settings for DAYS. i ran XP MC for half the time and vista MC the other half. vista seemed more stable. i had to reboot my xp mc at least once a week for odd reasons. i might have to re-visit after cable cards hit the market. MC was lightning fast compared to my current directv hd /dvr receiver. its slow as piss. great way to save money too.

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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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^yeah I'd love to get my WMC up and running again. It was great!
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Is it still true that even with this cable card restriction lifted, there can still be "do not record" flags sent down the pipe by the cable providers on behalf of the studios? I thought I saw a blurb about that somewhere. If true, it's an important point to consider if you're planning on putting together a modern MPC with the intent of recording movies off of the premium channels. You may not be able to do it.
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Yeah you still can't record premium channels like hbo and showtime. Also correct that the station cand send the do not record flag. But I've only heard of that being done once and the Internet was pissed.
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Yeah you still can't record premium channels like hbo and showtime. Also correct that the station cand send the do not record flag. But I've only heard of that being done once and the Internet was pissed.
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Originally Posted by #1 Stunna
It's actually already out for Vista it's just better in 7, but they aren't saying how. I'm expecting there to be some sort of little surprises when 7 launches in October. Much like the XP mode was a secret until RC phase.
This post got to to play with Media center in Vista.

Netflix installed, but crashes every time I run it it crashed...Plus it thinks Im in Canada...
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^where you drunk when you wrote that or on your iPod touch?

What a coincedence here's an article about a show with the DNR flag. It's pretty rare which is why it's front page news when it happens.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-recording.ars
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The next generation of PCs are starting to roll in and a lot of them got multi-touch included.

HP Envy 13 gets 7hrs of battery with a removable battery (unlike apple), packs CULV processor. Thin n' light FTW!



Hp Envy 15 rockin a mobile Core i7 processor!


Lenovo X200 tablet and T400 both packing capacitve multi-touch screens

X200 supports two fingers


T400 supports 4 fingers



We're just gettin started much more to come.
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 07:06 AM
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Whee. Today is planned to slick the work laptop and go to Win 7. Nice full day of installation planned out.
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 08:00 AM
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...and my CPU is not 64-bit capable. Oh well, have to wait for a new laptop. Good thing I didn't wipe the drive before installing.
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Have there been any demonstrations of anything actually useful being done with having multitouch on a display? The stuff I've seen so far is cool but not really what I would consider useful. I'm not complaining, just curious. If you're going to have multitouch support for the touch pad and single finger touch support for screen-only tablet operation, then it's probably not that terribly difficult to just go ahead and include multitouch support on the screen. Still seems like a toy though.
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Are you a student? Or do you at least have an active college email addres? Want to get Windows 7 on the cheap? Microsoft has got you covered!

you can get Windows 7 for $29.99 from MS at http://www.win741.com/

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