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my gma 900 ran aero just fine during the vista beta, but when they changed to WDDM drivers i got screwed. i read that MS changed the driver system or something so gma 900 would work again, then promptly misplaced the link. FML.
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In regards to Aero on GMA 900 in Vista from neowin thread:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=509192
This issue right here is the heart of the Vista Ready Vista Capable debacle. The majority of PCs sold in 05-06 had the the GMA 900/915 graphics which were fine for XP but ended up they couldn't cut when it came to running Aero well. So as not to abandon millions of PCs as not being fully capable of running Vista Aero MS bowed and created two logos "Vista Ready" and "Vista Capable". Which are confusing as shit, so these GMA900/915 PCs were given the Vista Capable logo as they were "capable" of running Vista but just not the full Vista with Aero, Media Center, etc. While "Vista Ready" was PC that could run aero. This confused consumers (and even some MS execs) and 6 people decided to sue MS over this and tried to get a class action suit out of it. In February the suit lost it's class action status which means pretty much these 6 people are fucked and all they can get back is the cost of the Vista OS but then they'd have to pay attorney's fees especially if they lost and maybe still if they won. Therefore they've appealed and a couple weeks ago their appeal for class action reinstatement was denied again. So now only the 6 people can sue, so it really doesn't seem worth it.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=509192
Originally Posted by Brandon a MS employee
As I understand it, long ago there were attempts to make Glass work on XDDM drivers and on lesser chips, which on old builds (earlier Vista betas) could be enabled via the registry - but there were too many problems with doing so (both performance and visual quality) and many changes were made to the DWM since then.
The Intel GMA900 isn't CAPABLE of running Aero in it's current form. This is a quote from an Intel Spokesperson
Ok, setting aside that this forum is for SW developers and not end users (who have hijacked it for their own ends - should be going to support.intel.com!), I'll answer in more detail why it is IMPOSSIBLE to have fully WDDM compliant drivers for Vista on 915. There is no HW Scheduler in 915! So it makes no sense to have a WDDM driver 915 and back! You can take a look at this presentation for more info:
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...ED134_WH06.ppt
915 was designed before the Vista requirements were announced to us.We were able to get the changes in place for 945 however.
Ok, setting aside that this forum is for SW developers and not end users (who have hijacked it for their own ends - should be going to support.intel.com!), I'll answer in more detail why it is IMPOSSIBLE to have fully WDDM compliant drivers for Vista on 915. There is no HW Scheduler in 915! So it makes no sense to have a WDDM driver 915 and back! You can take a look at this presentation for more info:
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...ED134_WH06.ppt
915 was designed before the Vista requirements were announced to us.We were able to get the changes in place for 945 however.
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I'm running the RC build that I upgraded from Vista 32 bit and it's running great. no issues or oddities that I've seen yet. I'm thinking I'm gonna try upgrading my old Vista x64 OS, that thing has a few problems so that'd be a real test if it could work good with that OS.
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im currently attaining a copy of windows 7. 
im just getting it more out of curiousity because i havent had any issues with vista, i havent even installed the service pack either. !
im just getting it more out of curiousity because i havent had any issues with vista, i havent even installed the service pack either. !
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Just installed RC7100.
I really disliked Vista, but W7 may win me over. It's nice so far!
Frankly the best selling point is that, so far, stuff works.
I know, I know... "It's SO BIG"...
I really disliked Vista, but W7 may win me over. It's nice so far!
Frankly the best selling point is that, so far, stuff works.
I know, I know... "It's SO BIG"...
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Is that dual 20inch screens stogie?
You know I was once a proponent of AVG but I've since switched to avast!, AVG's been getting a little bloated lately while avast! is a little lighter and faster. my only complaint with avast! is the annoying sounds it makes, it will literally speak to you!!
Thankfully there's now an option to disable all avast! sounds and I use that but I with it was that way by default.
You know I was once a proponent of AVG but I've since switched to avast!, AVG's been getting a little bloated lately while avast! is a little lighter and faster. my only complaint with avast! is the annoying sounds it makes, it will literally speak to you!!
Thankfully there's now an option to disable all avast! sounds and I use that but I with it was that way by default.
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Is that dual 20inch screens stogie?
You know I was once a proponent of AVG but I've since switched to avast!, AVG's been getting a little bloated lately while avast! is a little lighter and faster. my only complaint with avast! is the annoying sounds it makes, it will literally speak to you!! Thankfully there's now an option to disable all avast! sounds and I use that but I with it was that way by default.
You know I was once a proponent of AVG but I've since switched to avast!, AVG's been getting a little bloated lately while avast! is a little lighter and faster. my only complaint with avast! is the annoying sounds it makes, it will literally speak to you!!
Thankfully there's now an option to disable all avast! sounds and I use that but I with it was that way by default.
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OK, Acrobat Reader works, it just feels the need to tell you it wont. Every time you use it. Seems to be OK, though, so I checked the "stop harassing me with this bullshit" button...
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The only difficulty for me and avast! is that you have to signup for a license and they have to email it to you. I'm going to assume you can only get one license per email when I install it on a computer I'd have to login to my clients email to get it. I'd rather not have to do that. But maybe I'm wrong about the license thing and they will email multiple license# to one email address, I've just never tried. Anyways av-comparatives.org says Avast! has a much better detection rate than AVG and it scans faster but Avast! also has more false positives.
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) and I got no such errors nor have I on any previous builds. I was installing Acrobat Reader 9.
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AR7.0 That's the current that Adobe showed on their website for download. 
I will find 9.
Adobe thought Win7 was NT, so it pushed 7.0.9...
I manually selected Vista and got 9.0.
I will find 9.
Adobe thought Win7 was NT, so it pushed 7.0.9...
I manually selected Vista and got 9.0.
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WTF! It does say adobe 7.0 on the site! When you go to adobe.com and click reader it sets you up with the Windows NT version!
check here and choose Vista
http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/
check here and choose Vista
http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/
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Asus doesn't make any Vista drivers for that board...
what kindof shit is that?
Well the audio chip is a Cmedia CMI9880 so may you can find drivers from somewhere else. Hold on brb...*jeopardy music plays*..all I got for you is that I've heard reports of people getting XP drivers to work in Vista if you set the setup.exe install program to run in XP SP2 compatibility mode.
here's XP x64 drivers
http://www.driversdown.com/ViewDownl...brNum=3&show=0
and here's Xp 32 bit drivers
http://www.lostmydrivers.com/driver/...indows-2000-xp.
what kindof shit is that?
Well the audio chip is a Cmedia CMI9880 so may you can find drivers from somewhere else. Hold on brb...*jeopardy music plays*..all I got for you is that I've heard reports of people getting XP drivers to work in Vista if you set the setup.exe install program to run in XP SP2 compatibility mode.
here's XP x64 drivers
http://www.driversdown.com/ViewDownl...brNum=3&show=0
and here's Xp 32 bit drivers
http://www.lostmydrivers.com/driver/...indows-2000-xp.
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Thanks. I had downloaded those drivers, but don't know how to make them run in Win7 in XP compatibility mode, since that supplemental release hasn't been released yet...
Is there a way?
Porn with no sound is no porn at all...
Is there a way?
Porn with no sound is no porn at all...
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before you run the setup.exe file to install the drivers right click on the exe choose properties, click the compatibility tab and check the box and choose XP SP2 from the pull down list. Then run the exe
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It will be available to download by MSDN or Technet on Thursday
And Stunna already posted this but this goes into a little more detail
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And Stunna already posted this but this goes into a little more detail
Windows 7 gets virtual 'XP mode'
Microsoft says beta of backward-compatibility add-on available 'soon'
By Gregg Keizer
Windows 7
April 25, 2009 (Computerworld) Microsoft Corp. will unveil an add-on to Windows 7 that lets users run applications designed for Windows XP in a virtual machine, the company confirmed Friday -- the first time Microsoft has relied on virtualization to provide backward compatibility.
Dubbed "Windows XP Mode," the add-on creates an XP virtual environment running under Virtual PC, Microsoft's client virtualization technology within Windows 7, said Scott Woodgate, the director of Windows enterprise and virtualization strategy.
In a post to a company blog, Woodgate said the add-on is part of the pitch to convince businesses to migrate to Windows 7. "All you need to do is to install suitable applications directly in Windows XP Mode," said Woodgate. "The applications will be published to the Windows 7 desktop, and then you can run them directly from Windows 7."
Details of Windows XP Mode (XPM) were first reported Friday afternoon by Rafael Rivera and Paul Thurrott, two prominent bloggers who are also collaborating on a book, Windows 7 Secrets, due out this fall.
According to Rivera's "Within Windows" blog -- Thurrott published a nearly identical writeup on his "SuperSite for Windows" -- Windows XP Mode will be offered as a free download only to users running Windows 7 Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise, the three top-priced editions of the new operating system.
Windows 7 Enterprise is available only to companies with volume licensing agreements.
Windows XP Mode (XPM) requires processor-based virtualization support and is based on the next-generation Microsoft Virtual PC 7 technology, said Rivera, who also disclosed that Microsoft will include a fully licensed copy of Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) with the add-on. That, in effect, gives Windows 7 users a way to run older applications without having to pay for another operating system license.
Rivera also touted, as had Woodgate, the ability to run Windows XP applications directly from the Windows 7 desktop without having to first open a separate virtual machine window.
"XPM does not require you to run the virtual environment as a separate Windows desktop," Rivera said. "Instead, as you install applications inside the virtual XP environment, they are published to the host (Windows 7) OS as well. That way, users can run Windows XP-based applications, like IE6, alongside Windows 7 applications under a single desktop."
Both Rivera and Thurrott trumpeted XPM as a "huge convenience" for Microsoft's corporate customers, and they predicted that Microsoft will be able to discard older code and technologies from future versions of Windows and instead rely on virtualization to provide backward compatibility.
Thurrott has published a series of screenshots that show XPM's installation and a Windows XP application running within Windows 7.
Although Rivera and Thurrott said that Microsoft would offer XPM when it ships Windows 7, Woodgate promised that a beta of the new add-on would be released "soon" for Windows 7, presumably on or near the launch of Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC).
Also on Friday, Microsoft announced it would post Windows 7 Release Candidate for public download on May 5 and make the preview available to MSDN and TechNet subscribers this Thursday, April 30.
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Microsoft says beta of backward-compatibility add-on available 'soon'
By Gregg Keizer
Windows 7
April 25, 2009 (Computerworld) Microsoft Corp. will unveil an add-on to Windows 7 that lets users run applications designed for Windows XP in a virtual machine, the company confirmed Friday -- the first time Microsoft has relied on virtualization to provide backward compatibility.
Dubbed "Windows XP Mode," the add-on creates an XP virtual environment running under Virtual PC, Microsoft's client virtualization technology within Windows 7, said Scott Woodgate, the director of Windows enterprise and virtualization strategy.
In a post to a company blog, Woodgate said the add-on is part of the pitch to convince businesses to migrate to Windows 7. "All you need to do is to install suitable applications directly in Windows XP Mode," said Woodgate. "The applications will be published to the Windows 7 desktop, and then you can run them directly from Windows 7."
Details of Windows XP Mode (XPM) were first reported Friday afternoon by Rafael Rivera and Paul Thurrott, two prominent bloggers who are also collaborating on a book, Windows 7 Secrets, due out this fall.
According to Rivera's "Within Windows" blog -- Thurrott published a nearly identical writeup on his "SuperSite for Windows" -- Windows XP Mode will be offered as a free download only to users running Windows 7 Professional, Ultimate and Enterprise, the three top-priced editions of the new operating system.
Windows 7 Enterprise is available only to companies with volume licensing agreements.
Windows XP Mode (XPM) requires processor-based virtualization support and is based on the next-generation Microsoft Virtual PC 7 technology, said Rivera, who also disclosed that Microsoft will include a fully licensed copy of Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) with the add-on. That, in effect, gives Windows 7 users a way to run older applications without having to pay for another operating system license.
Rivera also touted, as had Woodgate, the ability to run Windows XP applications directly from the Windows 7 desktop without having to first open a separate virtual machine window.
"XPM does not require you to run the virtual environment as a separate Windows desktop," Rivera said. "Instead, as you install applications inside the virtual XP environment, they are published to the host (Windows 7) OS as well. That way, users can run Windows XP-based applications, like IE6, alongside Windows 7 applications under a single desktop."
Both Rivera and Thurrott trumpeted XPM as a "huge convenience" for Microsoft's corporate customers, and they predicted that Microsoft will be able to discard older code and technologies from future versions of Windows and instead rely on virtualization to provide backward compatibility.
Thurrott has published a series of screenshots that show XPM's installation and a Windows XP application running within Windows 7.
Although Rivera and Thurrott said that Microsoft would offer XPM when it ships Windows 7, Woodgate promised that a beta of the new add-on would be released "soon" for Windows 7, presumably on or near the launch of Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC).
Also on Friday, Microsoft announced it would post Windows 7 Release Candidate for public download on May 5 and make the preview available to MSDN and TechNet subscribers this Thursday, April 30.
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