Microsoft: Windows 7 and Office 2010 Thread
I was just talking with my boss and we were both trying to remember how the OEM availability was timed with Vista. I seem to remember that machines with Vista on them were shipping from the major OEMs for a period before you could purchase a retail copy of the OS off the shelf. Neither one of us were terribly certain of that however.
From the official Windows 7 team blog...
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/win...dows-7-is.aspx
Sounds somewhat likely that volume licensing folks may get their hands on it well before 10/22.
Obviously, Release To Manufacturing (RTM) is an important milestone on the path to GA. We anticipate that we’ll be able to make the RTM code for Windows 7 available to our partners sometime in the 2nd half of July. We also expect to be able to make RTM code for Windows Server 2008 R2 available to our partners in this time frame as well.
Sounds somewhat likely that volume licensing folks may get their hands on it well before 10/22.
the new on disk automatic system repair tool saved me!!!So I mentioned earlier in this thread that I was going to install my Creative x-fi card I hadn't used in almost 3 years to see how it worked. Well installed it a couple weeks ago and when I booted to W7 nothing happened, I mean nothing. It didn't know of it's existence at all, there was nothing about new hardware found or unknown devices in the device manager or anything about it in the system information tool. So I assumed that the card was dead and went on with my life.
Well I boot up W7 today and I'm greeted with a new hadware not installed correctly ballon and then W7 pops up the problems, reports and solutions thing and says I need to go to Creatives website and download the W7 driver. I do that and start the install .exe.
It was taking forever to install and I ended falling a sleep during the install process. Minutes later I'm awaken by a phone call, when I get off the phone call I notice my screen is no longer on the install driver screen it's on the "Starting Windows" black screen with the Windows flag and everything. I think to myself, that's odd did it restart automatically I don't think it normally does that. but whatever I let it continue to load but after almost ten minutes it's still stuck on that screen, so I'm like WTF!
So I manually reset the PC and go and take a piss. When I come back it was too late to choose load windows normally from the boot menu and it had already started loading the system restore tool. It loads and checks for problems to fix automatically and it doesn't find anything. It then asks if I'd like to do a system restore to a previous point in time, to which I say yes. It does that and then restarts automatically and then proceeds to load windows just fine!
When it finishes booting up I'm greeted with a dialog box that says "Windows recovered from an unexpected shutdown" and says it blue screened most likely during the install process.
Now I know my mother board is a POS and it's been causing me lots of trouble for a long while now but it still works fine once windows loads but putting my PC to sleep is a no-no it's not possible, so annoying. So I'm gonna blame my crappy motherboard and my creative card and creative drivers for this crash.
I'm just waiting for SATA 3, DirectX 11 GPUs and the next gen Core i7 CPU (Lynnfield) to come out before I upgrade.
(oh shit I better hit the enter key a couple times as not to annoy Stogie with one big paragraph, there much better)
does this help?
http://i.gizmodo.com/5136581/win-7-t...-running-again
I think this was for the beta only so it might not help with the RC
http://i.gizmodo.com/5136581/win-7-t...-running-again
I think this was for the beta only so it might not help with the RC
does this help?
http://i.gizmodo.com/5136581/win-7-t...-running-again
I think this was for the beta only so it might not help with the RC
http://i.gizmodo.com/5136581/win-7-t...-running-again
I think this was for the beta only so it might not help with the RC
No issue here either. Using enterprise edition.
did a quick search, this is the first thing i came across.
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...t-install.html
did a quick search, this is the first thing i came across.
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...t-install.html
Last edited by rza49311; Jun 16, 2009 at 08:36 AM.
No issue here either. Using enterprise edition.
did a quick search, this is the first thing i came across.
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...t-install.html
did a quick search, this is the first thing i came across.
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...t-install.html
I don't think that registry hack is gonna help.
In other rather unexciting news a leaked post RC build labeled build 7232 has a new default background replacing the beta fish which has been in all prerelease builds.

Here's the full size of the new background if you want it
http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/7232wall.jpg
It's rumored the final build # will be 7300 and will be built within the next few days. The most current build is 7260.
Also it's rumored that MS's FREE AV product based on their Forefront technology should be announced by the end of the month and I'd assume will be available before the release of Win7.


In other rather unexciting news a leaked post RC build labeled build 7232 has a new default background replacing the beta fish which has been in all prerelease builds.

Here's the full size of the new background if you want it
http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/7232wall.jpg
It's rumored the final build # will be 7300 and will be built within the next few days. The most current build is 7260.
Also it's rumored that MS's FREE AV product based on their Forefront technology should be announced by the end of the month and I'd assume will be available before the release of Win7.


Last edited by #1 STUNNA; Jun 16, 2009 at 09:17 PM.
Two issues I can't figure out:
1. I have a shortcut on my desktop to a drive letter. I can't pin this shortcut to the task bar, only to the Windows Explorer that appears when you right click on the Explorer icon pinned to the taskbar. Me not happy.
2. I have a shortcut on the desktop to mstsc.exe (RDP) and I have pinned it to the taskbar, but when I activate it, instead of lighting up, it opens a second appearance on the taskbar of the same icon and then that second on performs as expected. Should I drag the actual executable to the taskbar? Problem with that is I have a switch included in the shortcut. Again, me no happy.
Thoughts? Feelings? Suggestions?
1. I have a shortcut on my desktop to a drive letter. I can't pin this shortcut to the task bar, only to the Windows Explorer that appears when you right click on the Explorer icon pinned to the taskbar. Me not happy.
2. I have a shortcut on the desktop to mstsc.exe (RDP) and I have pinned it to the taskbar, but when I activate it, instead of lighting up, it opens a second appearance on the taskbar of the same icon and then that second on performs as expected. Should I drag the actual executable to the taskbar? Problem with that is I have a switch included in the shortcut. Again, me no happy.
Thoughts? Feelings? Suggestions?
1. Yes that's how it is. I posted s how to a couple pages back. Basically you create a new taskbar and then place the icons you want to display in the folder the taskbar is directed to.
2. If you pin the new one to the taskbar and remove the original does the switch still work? If not if you add the switch to the 2nd icon does 3rd icon appear if you open rdp?
2. If you pin the new one to the taskbar and remove the original does the switch still work? If not if you add the switch to the 2nd icon does 3rd icon appear if you open rdp?
Here's a great tip I just learned. How to put the recycle bin or other "unpinnable items" on the taskbar. Usually if you drag the recycle bin to the taskbar it gets pinned to the windows explorer icon so you can only access it via the jump list. Also if you try to pin specific documents it will pin the program and not that document to the taskbar. So if you want to open exactly that document you have to go through an extra step. Here's how you pin specific folders, control panel icons, or documents that are usually unpinnable to the taskbar.
First unlock the taskbar
2nd right click the taskbar and go to "toolbars" and choose create toolbar
at this point I made a new folder and then all the contents of that folder are now avalable on the taskbar as icons.
now drag what ever icons you want to the new toolbar on the taskbar and they'll be added.
To make it look better right click on the taskbar and choose hide title and set the view to large icons and when you finish you'll have something that looks a little like this

First unlock the taskbar
2nd right click the taskbar and go to "toolbars" and choose create toolbar
at this point I made a new folder and then all the contents of that folder are now avalable on the taskbar as icons.
now drag what ever icons you want to the new toolbar on the taskbar and they'll be added.
To make it look better right click on the taskbar and choose hide title and set the view to large icons and when you finish you'll have something that looks a little like this

Win 7 pricing is announced!!
we finally received the official word on windows 7 pricing. For the most part, people itching to upgrade immediately or buy a new win 7 machine are in luck.
Odds are, you won't pay the official prices, so i'm telling you the launch specials first. If you play your cards right, you'll either get it as a free upgrade for buying a pc, or you'll pay $50 for win 7 home premium and $100 for win 7 professional.
Free upgrades
if you buy a pc starting friday, june 26th, it should be covered under a free upgrade plan. (i say "should" because it depends on the manufacturer, but most of them are jumping on this with both feet.) say you buy a computer with vista home premium this weekend; you get a windows 7 home premium upgrade on october 22, free. If you buy vista business, you'll get win 7 professional, and if you buy vista ultimate, you'll get win 7 ultimate. There's no upgrade path for home basic (the reason is below) but as i understand it, the number of systems sold at retail with home basic on it are in the low single digits.
That should take care of most pc buyers .
The half-price pre-order deal
people in the us, canada or japan who already own a pc running xp or vista will be able to pre-order the upgrade disc at around half the price that they'll eventually sell for. The pre-order deal also starts friday, june 26th, and will run for a limited time.
As i said, windows 7 home premium, usually $120, will cost $50, and windows 7 professional, usually $200, will cost $100. Windows 7 ultimate is not part of this discount plan, but it might get its own incentive plan later on. (you could technically buy home premium upgrade, then pay to convert it to ultimate, saving at least a little cash.) the pre-order deal will be visible at store.microsoft.com and at "most major retailers."
what's this about a limited time? Mike ybarra, general manager of windows product management, told me that the pre-order deal will go away when a certain undisclosed number of licenses is sold. "we have enough quantity," he said, adding that the magic number was "equivalent to a year of vista sales volume at retail." (ironically, those of you who want this upgrade offer to last have to hope that the mojave experiment worked, at least a little.) some microsoft materials suggest that july 11th might be the cutoff for the deal, but from what i understand, that's an estimate--this is based on supply. Regardless, if you want windows 7, pre-order the damn thing come friday.
European hijinks
europe is getting kinda screwed in this deal, because of the european commission's banning of ie8 from any windows installer media . Basically, starting july 15th in france, germany and the uk, microsoft will be selling full versions of windows 7 home premium and professional at the discounted upgrade prices, but that means there's no way to upgrade directly from vista .
Euros who buy win 7 will be forced to perform a clean install, and migrate their data and apps over any way they know how. The logic is that, while the windows team can do a clean install without ie8, there's not enough quality assurance on what an upgrade install would be like without ie8, with assorted html rendering apps co-existing in the os already. Could be messy, says ybarra. "we don't want to break anyone else's software, we don't want to break our own software, and we don't want the customer on the phone with support." that funky deal is supposed to run through december.
The official prices
so, now that we got the immediate realities out of the way, here are the "estimated retail prices" that we'll eventually see in stores, for the people who aren't yet moving on the upgrade offers:
Windows 7 home premium: $120 for upgrade; $200 for full version
windows 7 professional: $200 for upgrade; $300 for full version
windows 7 ultimate: $220 for upgrade; $320 for full version
to be clear, the term "upgrade" just means you already own and run a version of windows on the pc you're upgrading. It's still a complete set of bits that you can clean install and even set up for dual booting. The "full" version is mostly for people who are building their own systems.
You may remember that there are other win 7 skus such as home basic and starter. Windows 7 home basic is not available in the united states or most of europe though, along with residents of burkina faso and vanuatu, montenegrans will be able to buy it.
Windows 7 starter will be offered to dell, hp, asus and other manufacturers to stick on netbooks. Just in case you were concerned, windows xp will also be available, distributed and supported for 12 months after windows 7 launches though limited to these same "small notebook pcs." i think microsoft--and quite a few non-vested-interests--are expecting netbooks to ditch xp for win 7 pretty fast.
When you actually get it
as we've previously reported , october 22 is the day when almost everybody gets windows 7. Anyone, anywhere in the world, in 35 different languages, will be able to buy a windows 7 pc on october 22. The actual box of software will be available in most countries, covering 14 languages, on the 22nd, with the other 21 languages getting their retail boxes by october 31. It's a damn fast rollout, especially given all of the terrain it's going to cover.
Stay tuned, because we're going to post more details on this pre-order business soon. In the meantime, talk amongst yourselves. Is this a good deal? Is it crap? And most importantly, are you going to pony up cash on friday? [ windows blog ]
and don't forget to check out our complete guide to windows 7 , covering all the new features, plus our experiences with the beta and rc1 releases.
Odds are, you won't pay the official prices, so i'm telling you the launch specials first. If you play your cards right, you'll either get it as a free upgrade for buying a pc, or you'll pay $50 for win 7 home premium and $100 for win 7 professional.
Free upgrades
if you buy a pc starting friday, june 26th, it should be covered under a free upgrade plan. (i say "should" because it depends on the manufacturer, but most of them are jumping on this with both feet.) say you buy a computer with vista home premium this weekend; you get a windows 7 home premium upgrade on october 22, free. If you buy vista business, you'll get win 7 professional, and if you buy vista ultimate, you'll get win 7 ultimate. There's no upgrade path for home basic (the reason is below) but as i understand it, the number of systems sold at retail with home basic on it are in the low single digits.
That should take care of most pc buyers .
The half-price pre-order deal
people in the us, canada or japan who already own a pc running xp or vista will be able to pre-order the upgrade disc at around half the price that they'll eventually sell for. The pre-order deal also starts friday, june 26th, and will run for a limited time.
As i said, windows 7 home premium, usually $120, will cost $50, and windows 7 professional, usually $200, will cost $100. Windows 7 ultimate is not part of this discount plan, but it might get its own incentive plan later on. (you could technically buy home premium upgrade, then pay to convert it to ultimate, saving at least a little cash.) the pre-order deal will be visible at store.microsoft.com and at "most major retailers."
what's this about a limited time? Mike ybarra, general manager of windows product management, told me that the pre-order deal will go away when a certain undisclosed number of licenses is sold. "we have enough quantity," he said, adding that the magic number was "equivalent to a year of vista sales volume at retail." (ironically, those of you who want this upgrade offer to last have to hope that the mojave experiment worked, at least a little.) some microsoft materials suggest that july 11th might be the cutoff for the deal, but from what i understand, that's an estimate--this is based on supply. Regardless, if you want windows 7, pre-order the damn thing come friday.
European hijinks
europe is getting kinda screwed in this deal, because of the european commission's banning of ie8 from any windows installer media . Basically, starting july 15th in france, germany and the uk, microsoft will be selling full versions of windows 7 home premium and professional at the discounted upgrade prices, but that means there's no way to upgrade directly from vista .
Euros who buy win 7 will be forced to perform a clean install, and migrate their data and apps over any way they know how. The logic is that, while the windows team can do a clean install without ie8, there's not enough quality assurance on what an upgrade install would be like without ie8, with assorted html rendering apps co-existing in the os already. Could be messy, says ybarra. "we don't want to break anyone else's software, we don't want to break our own software, and we don't want the customer on the phone with support." that funky deal is supposed to run through december.
The official prices
so, now that we got the immediate realities out of the way, here are the "estimated retail prices" that we'll eventually see in stores, for the people who aren't yet moving on the upgrade offers:
Windows 7 home premium: $120 for upgrade; $200 for full version
windows 7 professional: $200 for upgrade; $300 for full version
windows 7 ultimate: $220 for upgrade; $320 for full version
to be clear, the term "upgrade" just means you already own and run a version of windows on the pc you're upgrading. It's still a complete set of bits that you can clean install and even set up for dual booting. The "full" version is mostly for people who are building their own systems.
You may remember that there are other win 7 skus such as home basic and starter. Windows 7 home basic is not available in the united states or most of europe though, along with residents of burkina faso and vanuatu, montenegrans will be able to buy it.
Windows 7 starter will be offered to dell, hp, asus and other manufacturers to stick on netbooks. Just in case you were concerned, windows xp will also be available, distributed and supported for 12 months after windows 7 launches though limited to these same "small notebook pcs." i think microsoft--and quite a few non-vested-interests--are expecting netbooks to ditch xp for win 7 pretty fast.
When you actually get it
as we've previously reported , october 22 is the day when almost everybody gets windows 7. Anyone, anywhere in the world, in 35 different languages, will be able to buy a windows 7 pc on october 22. The actual box of software will be available in most countries, covering 14 languages, on the 22nd, with the other 21 languages getting their retail boxes by october 31. It's a damn fast rollout, especially given all of the terrain it's going to cover.
Stay tuned, because we're going to post more details on this pre-order business soon. In the meantime, talk amongst yourselves. Is this a good deal? Is it crap? And most importantly, are you going to pony up cash on friday? [ windows blog ]
and don't forget to check out our complete guide to windows 7 , covering all the new features, plus our experiences with the beta and rc1 releases.
You should be able to do a clean install from an upgrade disc like you could with Vista.
Now I have to decide if ultimate is worth the extra $150, I'll probably find some way to rationalize it.
Now I have to decide if ultimate is worth the extra $150, I'll probably find some way to rationalize it.
I deleted everything from the start bar and re-created the quicklaunch bar. i hate that new bar. then you can pin to it whatever you want just like before. i can find the instructions if you want.










that's fucking awesome!!!

