Microsoft: Windows 7 and Office 2010 Thread
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The unknown, however, is whether a clean install of 7 from a retail upgrade disc will require you to insert your XP CD for "verification" AND whether or not that verification would work against an OEM XP CD. Answers to those questions will obviously come out but almost certainly not before the 50% discount offer has lapsed.
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That isn't required in vista. Withvusts you insert the upgrade disc and don't enter the product key. Then it does a full install. After full install is complete you go through the install process agin and upgradethe full install you just installed and you can't enter the
product key at that time
product key at that time
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The unknown, however, is whether a clean install of 7 from a retail upgrade disc will require you to insert your XP CD for "verification" AND whether or not that verification would work against an OEM XP CD. Answers to those questions will obviously come out but almost certainly not before the 50% discount offer has lapsed.
Originally Posted by Paul Thurrott
I've gotten a ton of questions about the Windows 7 retail pricing stuff, as expected. But the number one question, by far, is an oldie but goodie:
"Can I use a Windows 7 Upgrade version to perform a clean install of the OS?"
This is becoming particularly antsy for people because they want to take advantage of the time-limited Windows 7 presale, which starts tomorrow.
So, what the heck, I asked.
The answer, I'm told, is ... Yes. You can perform a clean install of Windows 7 with the Upgrade media, as you could with Windows Vista.
The second most common questions regards "upgrading" from Windows Vista or XP (32-bit) to a 64-bit version of Windows 7. (You cannot do an in-place upgrade between 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows.)
Yes, it's possible. The key is to purchase the Windows 7 Upgrade version electronically (preferably through the presale and directly from Microsoft). If you do so, you're given the choice to download the x64 bits. So if you qualify for a Windows 7 upgrade--i.e. you own Windows XP or Vista--you can buy the Windows 7 Upgrade version of your choice, download the x64 version, burn it to disc, and do a clean install. (Per the previous question.)
"Can I use a Windows 7 Upgrade version to perform a clean install of the OS?"
This is becoming particularly antsy for people because they want to take advantage of the time-limited Windows 7 presale, which starts tomorrow.
So, what the heck, I asked.
The answer, I'm told, is ... Yes. You can perform a clean install of Windows 7 with the Upgrade media, as you could with Windows Vista.
The second most common questions regards "upgrading" from Windows Vista or XP (32-bit) to a 64-bit version of Windows 7. (You cannot do an in-place upgrade between 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows.)
Yes, it's possible. The key is to purchase the Windows 7 Upgrade version electronically (preferably through the presale and directly from Microsoft). If you do so, you're given the choice to download the x64 bits. So if you qualify for a Windows 7 upgrade--i.e. you own Windows XP or Vista--you can buy the Windows 7 Upgrade version of your choice, download the x64 version, burn it to disc, and do a clean install. (Per the previous question.)
http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...-upgrades.aspx
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so basically if i buy the upgrade it is actually the full licensed version....
since i have xp i want to upgrade and if i upgrade that means a clean install which then means the windows 7 disk is an complete windows 7 disk.
this full version and upgrade version makes no sense, i have to have the full version in order to upgrade from xp because you can't write over it ugh.
hope this makes sense lol
since i have xp i want to upgrade and if i upgrade that means a clean install which then means the windows 7 disk is an complete windows 7 disk.
this full version and upgrade version makes no sense, i have to have the full version in order to upgrade from xp because you can't write over it ugh.
hope this makes sense lol
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The point I was trying to make really doesn't have anything to do with what's possible and what isn't. As far as I'm aware, Microsoft's "official party lines" are:
A) An OS license is tied to a physical computer. If I acquire a new computer, that computer need's its own new OS license. It doesn't matter what or how many other OS licenses I may already own.
B) Since they are new licenses, OS licenses for new computers must be "full" licenses and not upgrade licenses. OEM licenses are only for 'system builders' (people/companies building machines for resale). Consumers should be purchasing 'retail' products/licenses.
So going by these two points we have the following situations:
a) I purchase a new off the shelf machine starting today, I pay for and get an OEM Vista license through the PC manufacturer and get a certificate for a free Win7 upgrade. Win7 cost to me $0.00
b) I already own a machine running XP or Vista and I want to upgrade that same computer to Win7. I am eligible for an upgrade license which I can purchase at a 50% discount starting today. Win7 cost to me (Home Premium) $50.
c) I am building a new machine from scratch that I wish to put Win7 on. Since it is a new computer I need a new full OS license. As a consumer the only license I am eligible for is a full retail license. There is no discount being offered on full retail licenses. Win7 cost to me (Home Premium) $200. Gee, thanks Microsoft.
So by offering the 50% discount only on upgrade licenses, Microsoft is either a) punishing people who build their own computers or b) encouraging people who build their own computers not to abide by Microsoft’s own licensing rules. I don’t see how there’s any other way of looking at it. They should be offering a discount of some sort on full retail licenses during this same pre-order period.
BTW, I noticed there's no remote desktop host for Win7 Home Premium. Was that the same with Vista? I've only ever used Vista Enterprise.
A) An OS license is tied to a physical computer. If I acquire a new computer, that computer need's its own new OS license. It doesn't matter what or how many other OS licenses I may already own.
B) Since they are new licenses, OS licenses for new computers must be "full" licenses and not upgrade licenses. OEM licenses are only for 'system builders' (people/companies building machines for resale). Consumers should be purchasing 'retail' products/licenses.
So going by these two points we have the following situations:
a) I purchase a new off the shelf machine starting today, I pay for and get an OEM Vista license through the PC manufacturer and get a certificate for a free Win7 upgrade. Win7 cost to me $0.00
b) I already own a machine running XP or Vista and I want to upgrade that same computer to Win7. I am eligible for an upgrade license which I can purchase at a 50% discount starting today. Win7 cost to me (Home Premium) $50.
c) I am building a new machine from scratch that I wish to put Win7 on. Since it is a new computer I need a new full OS license. As a consumer the only license I am eligible for is a full retail license. There is no discount being offered on full retail licenses. Win7 cost to me (Home Premium) $200. Gee, thanks Microsoft.
So by offering the 50% discount only on upgrade licenses, Microsoft is either a) punishing people who build their own computers or b) encouraging people who build their own computers not to abide by Microsoft’s own licensing rules. I don’t see how there’s any other way of looking at it. They should be offering a discount of some sort on full retail licenses during this same pre-order period.
BTW, I noticed there's no remote desktop host for Win7 Home Premium. Was that the same with Vista? I've only ever used Vista Enterprise.
c) I am building a new machine from scratch that I wish to put Win7 on. Since it is a new computer I need a new full OS license. As a consumer the only license I am eligible for is a full retail license. There is no discount being offered on full retail licenses. Win7 cost to me (Home Premium) $200. Gee, thanks Microsoft.
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OK, so a retail license is good for two consecutive computers. In actuality though, I bet the one hardware move is only the limit for the built-in activation. I'm sure they'd do a phone activation for a second or third hardware move. After all, if your machine pukes at 2+ years old, you're not going to be able to purchase a new identical motherboard to get it back up and running.
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I think most people buy the OEM copy when building a PC. If it was illegal the MS would be cracking down on sites like newegg for selling them. Plus what sense does it make to buy the full version of an OS for PC you dont even have yet or vis versa. The upgrade is a pre-order these people wont be getting the OS upgrade disc until 10/22 but since this is an "upgrade" these people already have a PC to use until then. While the person who needs the full install theoretically does not. They already get a discount (via the OEM price) when building a PC so I understand why MS doesn't want to get another.
Anyways, I just bought the Win7 professional upgrade for $100 at newegg w/free shipping. I'm not sure if it'll arrive on 10/22 or not. Rumor has it that they may sell out of these limited pre-order discounts sooner than expected so if you're on the fence I'd get off it and grab a copy.
Also in regards to MS pricing Giz is saying that Win7 is the cheapest version of Windows yet when you account for inflation.
http://gizmodo.com/5302653/windows-7...her-windows-os
Anyways, I just bought the Win7 professional upgrade for $100 at newegg w/free shipping. I'm not sure if it'll arrive on 10/22 or not. Rumor has it that they may sell out of these limited pre-order discounts sooner than expected so if you're on the fence I'd get off it and grab a copy.
Also in regards to MS pricing Giz is saying that Win7 is the cheapest version of Windows yet when you account for inflation.
http://gizmodo.com/5302653/windows-7...her-windows-os
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Look at the 11th line up in Stunna's chart.
Remote desktop Host
And yes it is in Vista ultimate, I have it on my machine that I am typing this on and I use it all the time to control my machine from the office.
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$150 or less would be good for me. $200 is borderline. $300 is too much. Hell, I can buy a new computer with an OEM OS for near that much.
Big Block go VROOOM!
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You got me there. I obviously overlooked that point when trying to put myself in Microsoft's shoes for the upgrade discount program. Looks like I'll just buy an OEM copy/license when I build my next machine in the fall. I can't imagine it would be more than $150 or so for the business edition.
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I think it goes along with what doubleshot said above.
I think windows xp home had the Remote Desktop Utility so you could access other computers, but it did not have the Ability to host and be controlled remotely with RDP.
I think windows xp home had the Remote Desktop Utility so you could access other computers, but it did not have the Ability to host and be controlled remotely with RDP.
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not at 2:09 am.
And what Stapler said
RDP is just the client that allows you to access other hosts.
RDP host (AKA Terminal Services) is the service that runs to allow other clients to access your host.
And Windows (XP, vista, Win 7) you can only have one user on at a time. While the server versions allow for 2 users to log in remotely and one on the console before licensing come into play.
And what Stapler said
RDP is just the client that allows you to access other hosts.
RDP host (AKA Terminal Services) is the service that runs to allow other clients to access your host.
And Windows (XP, vista, Win 7) you can only have one user on at a time. While the server versions allow for 2 users to log in remotely and one on the console before licensing come into play.
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speaking of a 266 P2 running Win7. Some guy actually did it 
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15509
Hacker is eager to push the new OS onto a Pentium system next
Microsoft recently released a tool that suggests to users whether or not to upgrade to Windows 7, Microsoft's hot new OS. However, it appears that the actual hardware requirements may be much lower than Microsoft's suggestions if you have enough determination.
A user on The Windows Club's forum has cooked up the ultimate low-end Windows 7 setup. The user who goes by "hackerman1" has managed to squeeze a working, bootable Windows 7 install onto a machine with a blazing fast 266 MHz Pentium II processor, a whopping 96 MB of SDRAM memory, and a high-tech 4 MB video card.
The enthusiast first used 128 MB of RAM, then pushed the total down to 96 MB. A subsequent push for 64 MB proved too much -- Windows 7 needs at least 96 MB to function properly.
Not to be content, the user is now working on a new setup, trying to install Windows 7 on a Pentium I machine featuring a 166 MHz CPU paired with a 1 MB graphics card. He's also considered trying to make the new fancy graphics wrapping -- Aero -- work on the Pentium II setup.
Don't expect a quick install, though -- a Pentium III-based system install took 17 continuous hours, and the Pentium II install likely took much, much more. The Pentium III based system boots in a mere 17 minutes.
While perhaps not very practical, hackerman1's quest/obsession with putting Microsoft's newest on some rather outdated hardware provides a nice illustration of the new OS's smaller footprint. The new OS is reported to have consolidated processes, lowered memory requirements, and reduced install size from Windows Vista, allowing it to be installed on netbooks and other non-Vista-ready machines.
Microsoft recently released a tool that suggests to users whether or not to upgrade to Windows 7, Microsoft's hot new OS. However, it appears that the actual hardware requirements may be much lower than Microsoft's suggestions if you have enough determination.
A user on The Windows Club's forum has cooked up the ultimate low-end Windows 7 setup. The user who goes by "hackerman1" has managed to squeeze a working, bootable Windows 7 install onto a machine with a blazing fast 266 MHz Pentium II processor, a whopping 96 MB of SDRAM memory, and a high-tech 4 MB video card.
The enthusiast first used 128 MB of RAM, then pushed the total down to 96 MB. A subsequent push for 64 MB proved too much -- Windows 7 needs at least 96 MB to function properly.
Not to be content, the user is now working on a new setup, trying to install Windows 7 on a Pentium I machine featuring a 166 MHz CPU paired with a 1 MB graphics card. He's also considered trying to make the new fancy graphics wrapping -- Aero -- work on the Pentium II setup.
Don't expect a quick install, though -- a Pentium III-based system install took 17 continuous hours, and the Pentium II install likely took much, much more. The Pentium III based system boots in a mere 17 minutes.
While perhaps not very practical, hackerman1's quest/obsession with putting Microsoft's newest on some rather outdated hardware provides a nice illustration of the new OS's smaller footprint. The new OS is reported to have consolidated processes, lowered memory requirements, and reduced install size from Windows Vista, allowing it to be installed on netbooks and other non-Vista-ready machines.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15509