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^^^ 
i didnt wanna say that coz someone might come out call me a troll....but every time you upgrade the software you will feel the phone get a little laggy and the battery take a hit....
i feel its a great update from iphone 4/4s....not sure about iphone5, unless you really gotta have the latest phone on the first day
i didnt wanna say that coz someone might come out call me a troll....but every time you upgrade the software you will feel the phone get a little laggy and the battery take a hit....
i feel its a great update from iphone 4/4s....not sure about iphone5, unless you really gotta have the latest phone on the first day
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^^^
i didnt wanna say that coz someone might come out call me a troll....but every time you upgrade the software you will feel the phone get a little laggy and the battery take a hit....
i feel its a great update from iphone 4/4s....not sure about iphone5, unless you really gotta have the latest phone on the first day
i didnt wanna say that coz someone might come out call me a troll....but every time you upgrade the software you will feel the phone get a little laggy and the battery take a hit....
i feel its a great update from iphone 4/4s....not sure about iphone5, unless you really gotta have the latest phone on the first day
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kinda scared its going to turn my phone into molasses.
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but but but....apple doesnt innovate anymore...
The new M7 coprocessor is like a sidekick to the A7 chip. It’s designed specifically to measure motion data from the accelerometer, gyroscope, and compass — a task that would normally fall to the A7 chip. But M7 is much more efficient at it. Now fitness apps that track physical activity can access that data from the M7 coprocessor without constantly engaging the A7 chip. So they require less battery power.
M7 knows when you’re walking, running, or even driving. For example, Maps switches from driving to walking turn-by-turn navigation if, say, you park and continue on foot. Since M7 can tell when you’re in a moving vehicle, iPhone 5s won’t ask you to join Wi-Fi networks you pass by. And if your phone hasn’t moved for a while, like when you’re asleep, M7 reduces network pinging to spare your battery.
M7 knows when you’re walking, running, or even driving. For example, Maps switches from driving to walking turn-by-turn navigation if, say, you park and continue on foot. Since M7 can tell when you’re in a moving vehicle, iPhone 5s won’t ask you to join Wi-Fi networks you pass by. And if your phone hasn’t moved for a while, like when you’re asleep, M7 reduces network pinging to spare your battery.
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Sarlacc, but those already exists, no?
not to start a debate but from a 3rd person point of view (because am using an iphone4 right now), I feel the last innovation was Siri...
yes the iphone is better since the OS is stable and the phone is aluminum as compared to plastic, but still, I feel there have been no "innovations"....the industry has turned into an information pool....
Apple came out with the retina display, not nexus and samsung devices have better screen ppi....
Android came out with the drop down notification bar and WIFI/BT/GPS/Sync and other options on it (including brightness) and now Apple Ios7 has it and they might have made some enhancements to it....
so all in all, SIRI imo was a break through and I think that is kinda what gave birth to Google Now (even though Google Now was already in the pipeline but I will give that credit to Apple)....
not to start a debate but from a 3rd person point of view (because am using an iphone4 right now), I feel the last innovation was Siri...
yes the iphone is better since the OS is stable and the phone is aluminum as compared to plastic, but still, I feel there have been no "innovations"....the industry has turned into an information pool....
Apple came out with the retina display, not nexus and samsung devices have better screen ppi....
Android came out with the drop down notification bar and WIFI/BT/GPS/Sync and other options on it (including brightness) and now Apple Ios7 has it and they might have made some enhancements to it....
so all in all, SIRI imo was a break through and I think that is kinda what gave birth to Google Now (even though Google Now was already in the pipeline but I will give that credit to Apple)....
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^^^ I agree with you...and that is very well said....
am not fighting on who is doing it first...
imagine the M7 chip with low power BT device support so you can connect a heart rate monitor or other low power BT accessory....now that 1 step ahead is what would have been awesome....as I said before Apple always keeps something from the customers....
but none the less the iphone is a great product....its just stopped appealing to a lot of customers and hence the market share of the iphone has taken a hit in the past couple years....
am not fighting on who is doing it first...
imagine the M7 chip with low power BT device support so you can connect a heart rate monitor or other low power BT accessory....now that 1 step ahead is what would have been awesome....as I said before Apple always keeps something from the customers....
but none the less the iphone is a great product....its just stopped appealing to a lot of customers and hence the market share of the iphone has taken a hit in the past couple years....
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I always g et the new iPhones regardless if I'm upgrade elgible.
I recently sold my iPhone 5 for an S4 when it came out. The S4 has more features, has a better 'rooting' (Apple i.e Jailbreak), and better/bigger screen. The only reason why I will be going back the iPhone 5/5s is because Apple hardware/software go hand-to-hand. The apps run smoother, and the phone just feels more consistent. Too much bloatware on the S4 including S-Beam, Multiple Windows, etc... If you're going to run that many added features I would expect 4GB ram minimum, a better interface, and a faster proc speed.
The biggest reason is the keyboard. Been with iPhone since the first, and just can't get used to the keyboard (gave it 3 months already).
I recently sold my iPhone 5 for an S4 when it came out. The S4 has more features, has a better 'rooting' (Apple i.e Jailbreak), and better/bigger screen. The only reason why I will be going back the iPhone 5/5s is because Apple hardware/software go hand-to-hand. The apps run smoother, and the phone just feels more consistent. Too much bloatware on the S4 including S-Beam, Multiple Windows, etc... If you're going to run that many added features I would expect 4GB ram minimum, a better interface, and a faster proc speed.
The biggest reason is the keyboard. Been with iPhone since the first, and just can't get used to the keyboard (gave it 3 months already).
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To innovate is to apply net new solutions that meet new needs or requirements. Just saying.
Don't take this into the Apple context, I'm just pointing out the definition of innovation and what it means.
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^^^ agree with you word for word....
Samsung adds bloatware and then ATT (my provider) makes it worse....with Apple it all comes from Apple and hence they work so awesome....
but some features I like....multiwindow I love....on the note 2 (when I had it for a week), I used it in the car and I had pandora and Torque running on the same screen....am not sure if multi screen will work well on iphone since the screen does not offer that much real estate....
about the keyboard, i love swype
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Samsung adds bloatware and then ATT (my provider) makes it worse....with Apple it all comes from Apple and hence they work so awesome....
but some features I like....multiwindow I love....on the note 2 (when I had it for a week), I used it in the car and I had pandora and Torque running on the same screen....am not sure if multi screen will work well on iphone since the screen does not offer that much real estate....
about the keyboard, i love swype
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Being innovative is like a bite in the ass, you usually dont know that you did it. A lot of tech have innovative features and dont get credit for it.
A lot is being done on Iphone security besides the fingerprint sensor. If Apple can succeed in preventing the theft of their phones, thats a huge deal. Something no other company has really tried to do and succeeded.
Also, Apple was first to do Find my Phone, google is doing it now.
A lot is being done on Iphone security besides the fingerprint sensor. If Apple can succeed in preventing the theft of their phones, thats a huge deal. Something no other company has really tried to do and succeeded.
Also, Apple was first to do Find my Phone, google is doing it now.
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I dont agree. There is a lot of things in life that are invented that go away. It can be innovative to take that thing and make it useful.
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But, I'll say this: Your illustration is where an invention does not have the full product lifecycle because the deployment was flawed. Deployment can involve marketing, training, and etc.
So, if all Apple is doing is taking an invention and doing a great job with deployment, that is not innovation. That's just good marketing and good application of the invention. Again, not innovation.
I'll say again, folks, not "trolling" here about Apple. Just more discussing the "innovate" term.
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I made the switch to android for my personal phone (since i'm a
), but still use an iphone for work. Android is fun for me (and people like me - who like to mess around with customization and overclocking) but therein lies the problem: the fragmentation of Android due to each manufacturer adding their own flavor.
I've had phones with: Samsung's Touchwiz, Motorola's Motoblur, HTC's Sense, LG's fake touchwiz, on multiple versions of android (Froyo/ICS/JB) and although all of them are android, there are learning curves and nuances to each.
You pick up any random android phone, and there is a learning curve - there's no way around it.
However, you pick up any Iphone, learn to use IOS once and you can literally use any version of the Iphone and Ipad. The continuity of iOS, in and of itself, is the best execution/evolution of a smartphone OS handsdown.
And FWIW: the only reason why Android's marketshare is increasing is cause you can buy last year's Android phones (and even some recent ones) for next to nothing - especially on the street. Last year's iphone's still carry a hefty price tag and retain their value extremely well
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You're talking to a BA here and so, I'll naturally be more held up with the denotative meaning than you.
But, I'll say this: Your illustration is where an invention does not have the full product lifecycle because the deployment was flawed. Deployment can involve marketing, training, and etc.
So, if all Apple is doing is taking an invention and doing a great job with deployment, that is not innovation. That's just good marketing and good application of the invention. Again, not innovation.
I'll say again, folks, not "trolling" here about Apple. Just more discussing the "innovate" term.
But, I'll say this: Your illustration is where an invention does not have the full product lifecycle because the deployment was flawed. Deployment can involve marketing, training, and etc.
So, if all Apple is doing is taking an invention and doing a great job with deployment, that is not innovation. That's just good marketing and good application of the invention. Again, not innovation.
I'll say again, folks, not "trolling" here about Apple. Just more discussing the "innovate" term.
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You're talking to a BA here and so, I'll naturally be more held up with the denotative meaning than you.
But, I'll say this: Your illustration is where an invention does not have the full product lifecycle because the deployment was flawed. Deployment can involve marketing, training, and etc.
So, if all Apple is doing is taking an invention and doing a great job with deployment, that is not innovation. That's just good marketing and good application of the invention. Again, not innovation.
I'll say again, folks, not "trolling" here about Apple. Just more discussing the "innovate" term.
But, I'll say this: Your illustration is where an invention does not have the full product lifecycle because the deployment was flawed. Deployment can involve marketing, training, and etc.
So, if all Apple is doing is taking an invention and doing a great job with deployment, that is not innovation. That's just good marketing and good application of the invention. Again, not innovation.
I'll say again, folks, not "trolling" here about Apple. Just more discussing the "innovate" term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
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And FWIW: the only reason why Android's marketshare is increasing is cause you can buy last year's Android phones (and even some recent ones) for next to nothing - especially on the street. Last year's iphone's still carry a hefty price tag and retain their value extremely well
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Here is the thing when you are trying so hard to prove to people that in fact you are innovating you wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars into marketing. The idea would self itself.
PS Fingerprint scanner, look up Motorola ATRIX 4G, released in 2011. Innovation my ass.
PS Fingerprint scanner, look up Motorola ATRIX 4G, released in 2011. Innovation my ass.
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Here is the thing when you are trying so hard to prove to people that in fact you are innovating you wouldn't have to spend millions of dollars into marketing. The idea would self itself.
PS Fingerprint scanner, look up Motorola ATRIX 4G, released in 2011. Innovation my ass.
PS Fingerprint scanner, look up Motorola ATRIX 4G, released in 2011. Innovation my ass.
The "scanner" for the 5s, I see them going beyond to make it work, not having to pull your finger across it and using sapphire a little innovated, to me.
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People take this stuff way too personally. I do like the fingerprint sensor, and do like how they implemented it, if it works properly. I do shudder to think what would happen if Home buttons start going bad again. Hopefully the tweak that they made to implement the sensor had a side effect of fixing that particular problem.
One thing I don't like in iOS7 is the folder change. My folders have pages now, I liked it better before. They finally made the clock move, but kept it black when everything else got a lighter hue.
Apple doesn't excel at innovation, it excels at improving ideas and making them mainstream. (talking about handheld personal electronics here)
And they're the best in the world at it.
One thing I don't like in iOS7 is the folder change. My folders have pages now, I liked it better before. They finally made the clock move, but kept it black when everything else got a lighter hue.
Apple doesn't excel at innovation, it excels at improving ideas and making them mainstream. (talking about handheld personal electronics here)
And they're the best in the world at it.
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Fingerprint scanner, many items have them, you have to move your finger over the scanner, wife's old HP laptop had one. It sucked beyond belief, took forever to even get it working to the point, where it was decided wasn't worth using.
The "scanner" for the 5s, I see them going beyond to make it work, not having to pull your finger across it and using sapphire a little innovated, to me.
The "scanner" for the 5s, I see them going beyond to make it work, not having to pull your finger across it and using sapphire a little innovated, to me.
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...it's called outstanding execution.
And Apple has that in spades generally speaking. So, again, I don't QUITE see some of the new stuff as innovation per se. Just a well-packaged and thoughtfully executed product.
Cuz, if we were to take this context and slap it on the Japanese, everyone just accuses them of "copying". Ever hear anyone say Lexus, Infiniti, Sony, et al are innovative?
And Apple has that in spades generally speaking. So, again, I don't QUITE see some of the new stuff as innovation per se. Just a well-packaged and thoughtfully executed product.
Cuz, if we were to take this context and slap it on the Japanese, everyone just accuses them of "copying". Ever hear anyone say Lexus, Infiniti, Sony, et al are innovative?
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iPhone 5s, 5c battery sizes larger than iPhone 5 September 12, 2013 iPhone Apple’s upcoming iPhone 5s and 5c have larger batteries than the iPhone 5, according to FCC disclosures. Anandtech reports the iPhone 5s has a 5.96 Wh battery, and the iPhone 5c has a 5.73 Wh battery, as compared to the 5.45 Wh battery on the iPhone 5. The iPhone 5s battery reportedly has a capacity of 1570 mAh, while the iPhone 5c has a 1507 mAh capacity — the iPhone 5 had a capacity of 1440 mAh. As always, we will be conducting our own independent battery testing of Apple’s newest devices.
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I've been running it on my iPhone4 and iPad3 for a couple weeks. Found a few bugs that I reported to Apple. Hoping that the final version gets these bugs fixed.
Also, had a chance the other day to meet with one of our Apple reps for our company and was able to pass along some feature requests to him. Hoping they make it into a new version of iOS someday.
Also, had a chance the other day to meet with one of our Apple reps for our company and was able to pass along some feature requests to him. Hoping they make it into a new version of iOS someday.
A guy can dream though, no?
Hmm reviews are mixed, seems case compatibility is iffy, based on the images looks like it will work with my monoprice bumper. only other downer is that it's not weighted enough so that it requires 2 hands to un-dock the phone. Do you have it by chance? any thoughts?
Even though it's not black (at least it's not all white all the time), Belkin sells one, here, that looks nice too IMO
Same here, been rocking a 4 for a while now just because it works. I'm ready to upgrade now too. I think two years is overkill, most of what I use the phone for doesn't require me to upgrade every two years, no matter how cool the improvements are. The one thing I'm really excited to finally have is a better camera on my phone.
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^^^ with Iphone and ATT, I was eligible for an upgrade every 18 months, I used to get every other iphone (got the Original, went to the 3gs, got the 4)...sold the 4 for a profit, which paid for all the previous phones LOL...
Used the 3GS and gave it to my little sister back home and got the note....
Since Apple dictates pricing and contract terms (atleast on ATT and ATT has no control over it) it was tough to move around....with Android (with my Original Note) ATT, I can upgrade every year....funny I just found out that my wife can upgrade every year as well....and this is not the ATT NEXT BS where you pay $25-ish extra every month....
best way to do it, upgrade every year, sell the old phone outright and make some $$$....thats what I have been doing
Used the 3GS and gave it to my little sister back home and got the note....
Since Apple dictates pricing and contract terms (atleast on ATT and ATT has no control over it) it was tough to move around....with Android (with my Original Note) ATT, I can upgrade every year....funny I just found out that my wife can upgrade every year as well....and this is not the ATT NEXT BS where you pay $25-ish extra every month....
best way to do it, upgrade every year, sell the old phone outright and make some $$$....thats what I have been doing
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Man how have you guys had your iPhone 4 for so long 
Is the battery not shitty on that thing??? My iPhone 3G was almost not usable when the 4 came out, especially with iOS4, I had to restore it to the old update.
About the innovative thing, there are different types of innovation out there. A continuous innovation is bringing new features/ideas to a the same market.
Apple did do this with the 5s. Sure having a fingerprint scanner is not innovative (the Atrix had it), but having one on a a device where you don't need to swipe your finger is. I don't recall any device with such a small scanner that doesn't require a swipe that has been brought to this market.
The M7 processor is not something totally new. The moto x was the first to release the phone with this. Although since both are released within a similar time period its hard to say who had the idea first. And the driving, biking, walking thing. Google released its updated APK that is capable of the same thing, except it won't be as accurate as the Moto X and iPhone 5s since it doesn't have a dedicated processor.
I will give apple the thing with the GPS switching from driving to walking mode is neat.
Is the battery not shitty on that thing??? My iPhone 3G was almost not usable when the 4 came out, especially with iOS4, I had to restore it to the old update.
About the innovative thing, there are different types of innovation out there. A continuous innovation is bringing new features/ideas to a the same market.
Apple did do this with the 5s. Sure having a fingerprint scanner is not innovative (the Atrix had it), but having one on a a device where you don't need to swipe your finger is. I don't recall any device with such a small scanner that doesn't require a swipe that has been brought to this market.
The M7 processor is not something totally new. The moto x was the first to release the phone with this. Although since both are released within a similar time period its hard to say who had the idea first. And the driving, biking, walking thing. Google released its updated APK that is capable of the same thing, except it won't be as accurate as the Moto X and iPhone 5s since it doesn't have a dedicated processor.
I will give apple the thing with the GPS switching from driving to walking mode is neat.
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Man how have you guys had your iPhone 4 for so long
Is the battery not shitty on that thing??? My iPhone 3G was almost not usable when the 4 came out, especially with iOS4, I had to restore it to the old update.
About the innovative thing, there are different types of innovation out there. A continuous innovation is bringing new features/ideas to a the same market.
Apple did do this with the 5s. Sure having a fingerprint scanner is not innovative (the Atrix had it), but having one on a a device where you don't need to swipe your finger is. I don't recall any device with such a small scanner that doesn't require a swipe that has been brought to this market.
The M7 processor is not something totally new. The moto x was the first to release the phone with this. Although since both are released within a similar time period its hard to say who had the idea first. And the driving, biking, walking thing. Google released its updated APK that is capable of the same thing, except it won't be as accurate as the Moto X and iPhone 5s since it doesn't have a dedicated processor.
I will give apple the thing with the GPS switching from driving to walking mode is neat.
Is the battery not shitty on that thing??? My iPhone 3G was almost not usable when the 4 came out, especially with iOS4, I had to restore it to the old update.
About the innovative thing, there are different types of innovation out there. A continuous innovation is bringing new features/ideas to a the same market.
Apple did do this with the 5s. Sure having a fingerprint scanner is not innovative (the Atrix had it), but having one on a a device where you don't need to swipe your finger is. I don't recall any device with such a small scanner that doesn't require a swipe that has been brought to this market.
The M7 processor is not something totally new. The moto x was the first to release the phone with this. Although since both are released within a similar time period its hard to say who had the idea first. And the driving, biking, walking thing. Google released its updated APK that is capable of the same thing, except it won't be as accurate as the Moto X and iPhone 5s since it doesn't have a dedicated processor.
I will give apple the thing with the GPS switching from driving to walking mode is neat.
no on the APK not being as accurate....doesnt matter if a processor does it or a co-processor doing it....similar with graphics....processors were doing that fine but when the system is under load the graphics will lag, so they moved it to a different chip....this scenario is similar....so the system will be able to handle more load without lagging....nothing to do with accuracy....accuracy depends on the GPS satelites and the accelerometer/gyrometer/etc
finally, I would like to see how the GPS acts in NY/LA traffic when you are going 2 miles an hour, i hope it doesnt switch to walking when you are in the middle of the highway getting pissed in your car
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If not...and the uses apple hopes to incorporate with it (fitness apps, GPS) than I was say they are innovating on that level.
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I've been running it on my iPhone4 and iPad3 for a couple weeks. Found a few bugs that I reported to Apple. Hoping that the final version gets these bugs fixed.
Also, had a chance the other day to meet with one of our Apple reps for our company and was able to pass along some feature requests to him. Hoping they make it into a new version of iOS someday.
Also, had a chance the other day to meet with one of our Apple reps for our company and was able to pass along some feature requests to him. Hoping they make it into a new version of iOS someday.
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makes senseThey're only doing pre-orders for the 5c?
Then another core solely for processing voice, which allows the phone to always be listening for a command before it turns on.
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^^^ with Iphone and ATT, I was eligible for an upgrade every 18 months, I used to get every other iphone (got the Original, went to the 3gs, got the 4)...sold the 4 for a profit, which paid for all the previous phones LOL...
Used the 3GS and gave it to my little sister back home and got the note....
Since Apple dictates pricing and contract terms (atleast on ATT and ATT has no control over it) it was tough to move around....with Android (with my Original Note) ATT, I can upgrade every year....funny I just found out that my wife can upgrade every year as well....and this is not the ATT NEXT BS where you pay $25-ish extra every month....
best way to do it, upgrade every year, sell the old phone outright and make some $$$....thats what I have been doing
Used the 3GS and gave it to my little sister back home and got the note....
Since Apple dictates pricing and contract terms (atleast on ATT and ATT has no control over it) it was tough to move around....with Android (with my Original Note) ATT, I can upgrade every year....funny I just found out that my wife can upgrade every year as well....and this is not the ATT NEXT BS where you pay $25-ish extra every month....
best way to do it, upgrade every year, sell the old phone outright and make some $$$....thats what I have been doing