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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:35 PM
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I think its not that easy to steal....Yet.
Depends....does the NSA track purchases of certain materials?
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:36 PM
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Depends....does the NSA track purchases of certain materials?
Buy a bunch of fertilizer and report back.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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Honestly, you are coming off like a fucking troll. I cringe every time I come in here to see what people are talking about to see your posts. You have offered no constructive comments, in my opinion they have been destructive.

Do me a favor and stay out. Your intentions are clear. Thanks.
Scrib....first off no need to use the offensive language....just because you are an admin does not allow you to do that, if anything, you should be more composed...

I have been voicing my opinion....if you re-read all the comments, you will see that I was excited for this launch event....not sure how you are judging the comments but I would highly appreciate it you read through the comments calmly....

and you are correct, I have not offered anything constructive and in all honesty no one has....people are just discussing between the features the phone has to offer and features which are already out there....and whether this phone is a upgrade from an Android or and Iphone 5 itself....

as since personal preference comes into play, people voice different opinions and back their statements accordingly....

I have not trolled by either stating anything about what Android offers and how the note 3 is far superior....but yes I have been voicing my opinions in this Ramblings sub forum....
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
I think its not that easy to steal....Yet.
It is...

Millions of credit and debit card users could be ‘robbed by radiowave’ because of new contactless technology being brought in by banks.

Almost 20million shoppers are now able to buy goods by simply waving their card in front of a reader at the tills, even if it is still in a wallet or a purse.
But industry experts have warned that the information emitted by the cards can be stolen by fraudsters using handheld receptors that cost as little as £7 on the internet.

It means cardholders – most of whom are given a contactless card automatically when their old one expires – can unknowingly surrender their personal bank details to a thief by simply walking past them in the street.


The technology in the card, known as radio frequency identification (RFID), transmits bank details via its own radio signal, and is accepted in many High Street chains, including Co-op, Boots and Pret-a-Manger.

It does away with the need for a customer inputting their PIN when buying goods, and was designed to reduce queues at the checkout.

However, a fraudster with a contactless card reader can easily collect the 16-digit credit card number, expiry date and name – known as RFID skimming – from anyone who walks past carrying one of the new cards.

They then have enough information to rack up huge bills at any internet shopping site – such as Amazon – that does not demand the three-digit security code on the back of the card.

David Maxwell, a former policeman and director of RFIDprotect, a firm which specialises in protection against card fraud, said: ‘It has been a big problem in America for a while and is getting to be a big problem over here.’
Cards can be protected from RFID skimmers by being wrapped in tin foil or being kept in special foil-lined wallets.

Customers should also call their banks as soon as they suspect their card is being used fraudulently.

Ron Delnevo, of independent ATM operator Bank Machine, said: ‘Nobody really wants this technology yet it is being handed down to us by the banking industry. It is putting us all at increased risk of fraud.’



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...echnology.html
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:41 PM
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Jupiter, you are confusing RFID and NFC

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com...id-and-nfc.htm

the max range for NFC is 4"...yes 4 inches....so unless someone is in that range, people cant steal like they steal CC numbs from RFID (which has a range of couple feet)
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by swoosh
Scrib....first off no need to use the offensive language....just because you are an admin does not allow you to do that, if anything, you should be more composed...

I have been voicing my opinion....if you re-read all the comments, you will see that I was excited for this launch event....not sure how you are judging the comments but I would highly appreciate it you read through the comments calmly....

and you are correct, I have not offered anything constructive and in all honesty no one has....people are just discussing between the features the phone has to offer and features which are already out there....and whether this phone is a upgrade from an Android or and Iphone 5 itself....

as since personal preference comes into play, people voice different opinions and back their statements accordingly....

I have not trolled by either stating anything about what Android offers and how the note 3 is far superior....but yes I have been voicing my opinions in this Ramblings sub forum....
Then stop being an asshole and saying shit to stir up the pot and then say you're just being silly. Being silly is a 3-7 year old girl.

And want to gloat about your Note 3, there's another effing thread for that.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:42 PM
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People are still arguing about phones these days? Good thing there is nothing more important nowadays.

When are we gonna start arguing about household appliances? My maytag is better than your whirlpool...
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:44 PM
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I'm actually going to the Apple today, I need to replace or fix or whatever my Sleep/Power button on my iPhone 5, it works once out of 10 clicks. Fun times.

The iOS 7 comes out on the 18th?
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by swoosh
Jupiter, you are confusing RFID and NFC

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com...id-and-nfc.htm

the max range for NFC is 4"...yes 4 inches....so unless someone is in that range, people cant steal like they steal CC numbs from RFID (which has a range of couple feet)
No, I am not. I'm talking RFID and credit cards. Not cell phones.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by McCollins23
People are still arguing about phones these days? Good thing there is nothing more important nowadays.

When are we gonna start arguing about household appliances? My maytag is better than your whirlpool...
Whirlpool owns Maytag...
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
For all that to happen, you'd have to be practically touching the person you are trying to rob - the range of NFC is a couple of feet under ideal conditions. My experience with NFC is that you need to be within 6-12" and clear LOS.

You'd also have to have whatever app is broadcasting the payment info be actively on. The app won't broadcast that information without opening it up and inputting a PIN code. When the phone is off the app won't transmit that data.

Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
No, I am not. I'm talking RFID and credit cards. Not cell phones.
So you called me a troll twice or thrice and you are talking about RFID and credit cards in an Apple iphone thread?

you started from NFC, went to RFID and quoted something about stealing CC numbers....
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
No, I am not. I'm talking RFID and credit cards. Not cell phones.
RFID and NFC are different animals. I havent heard of a case of someone stealing virtual money using NFC yet. Doesnt mean it can't or wont happen.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by McCollins23
People are still arguing about phones these days? Good thing there is nothing more important nowadays.

When are we gonna start arguing about household appliances? My maytag is better than your whirlpool...
Maytag=Whirlpool

One must always prove to the enemy why we spent $700 on a phone of a particular choice. We, the sheeple, love to market the brand because we are tools. I own both. lol. I'm a bigger tool.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:49 PM
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http://www.neowin.net/news/bank-card...quipped-phones

Its a debate for sure. Im sure it can be hacked, its going to be a danger with all virtual currency.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by swoosh
So you called me a troll twice or thrice and you are talking about RFID and credit cards in an Apple iphone thread?

you started from NFC, went to RFID and quoted something about stealing CC numbers....
That is where the conversation with Whiskers and Sarlacc went for a couple posts.

And I call you a troll about 20 times in this thread.

And know people are talking about Maytag and Whirlpool... which do you own? I have GE, working like a champ for 13 years !!

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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TeknoKing
Maytag=Whirlpool

One must always prove to the enemy why we spent $700 on a phone of a particular choice. We, the sheeple, love to market the brand because we are tools. I own both. lol. I'm a bigger tool.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:50 PM
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How come JARVIS was not mentioned at the event?

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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
http://www.neowin.net/news/bank-card...quipped-phones

Its a debate for sure. Im sure it can be hacked, its going to be a danger with all virtual currency.
THIS....

am pretty sure people who want to hack in, will be able to hack in....

I think NFC is still a work in progress and Apple might implement it once it gains some more popularity....

I understand why Apple might have not spend the time/money to get it in....am not even upset about that LOL
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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Bottom line is that Apple doesnt have to put NFC in their phones if they don't want to. They don't have to put a bigger screen if they don't want to. Its their product and people can choose to buy it or not. Personally NFC is not a reason to get or not get a phone.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by swoosh
THIS....

am pretty sure people who want to hack in, will be able to hack in....

I think NFC is still a work in progress and Apple might implement it once it gains some more popularity....

I understand why Apple might have not spend the time/money to get it in....am not even upset about that LOL
But the other troll brought it up. So it must be important to FANdroids.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:56 PM
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I do really like the Sony Xperia Z though. The dust and waterproof thing is actually very useful.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 02:58 PM
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Just realizing there was zero iPod discussion. I was hoping for a Classic price decrease.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:06 PM
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Just realizing there was zero iPod discussion. I was hoping for a Classic price decrease.
I'm surprised they havent discontinued that

Man theres too much arguing for me to go through the thread.

The announcement is basically what we expected, other than the M7 chip, which is good and should help with battery life.

I have an actual question though. What does moving to 64bit do in the world of cellphones???

I know for PC's its using the more available RAM, i.e. >4GB. But I dunno what else it did.

So whats the advantage on a cell phone??
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:06 PM
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OMG these threads... Lol
  • NFC is still young. No thanks.
  • Don't wanna pay the Apple premium? Then don't.
  • 64 bit will make a difference. It's 100% supported in iOS7.
  • Camera features are nice! 2.2, 120FPS, just the software side alone.
  • TouchID is sweet! Can the Law force you to input your finger print though?
Apple has just laid claim to a world first: 64-bit processing inside a real, ready-for-sale smartphone. The new A7 processor will power the iPhone 5s with a "desktop-class architecture" consisting of over 1 billion transistors. That's twice as many transistors as were squeezed into the A6 and, for the sake of context, it's not a million miles away from the 1.4 billion transistors found in a current Intel Ivy Bridge desktop-class PC chip. In other words, while ARM's own 64-bit mobile chip design, the Cortex-A57, is still being developed by chip- and phone-makers, Apple's in-house team has pipped them all to the post.


Largely as a result of the extra transistors and 64-bit architecture, the A7 is claimed to be twice as fast as its predecessor, both in terms of CPU and graphics performance. Speaking of graphics, Apple also promises that its newly added support for the OpenGL ES 3.0 standard will enable "breakthroughs in performance" for visually intensive games such as Infinity Blade III. And it won't just be games that benefit -- iOS 7 will be 64-bit too, naturally, and Apple's own built-in apps will be "re-engineered" to exploit this next-gen processing capability. (The A7 and iPhone 5s will also be backwards compatible with existing 32-bit apps.)


Finally, it's interesting note that the iPhone 5s has a secondary processor, the Apple M7, which is tailored for processing motion and other sensory inputs and is presumably designed for unburdening the main chip and allowing the iPhone 5s to work as a fitness tracker and accomplish other sensory-based tasks without excessive battery drain.

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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
I'm surprised they havent discontinued that

Man theres too much arguing for me to go through the thread.

The announcement is basically what we expected, other than the M7 chip, which is good and should help with battery life.

I have an actual question though. What does moving to 64bit do in the world of cellphones???

I know for PC's its using the more available RAM, i.e. >4GB. But I dunno what else it did.

So whats the advantage on a cell phone??
Faster for apps and OS written for it.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:16 PM
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I wonder what tomorrow's media event in China will be about? Are they going to reannounce the iPhone 5C just for the China market, or will there be a China Mobile deal?
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
No live streaming yet
If you want to watch the media event, it's up now

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2013/
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
I'm surprised they havent discontinued that

Man theres too much arguing for me to go through the thread.

The announcement is basically what we expected, other than the M7 chip, which is good and should help with battery life.

I have an actual question though. What does moving to 64bit do in the world of cellphones???

I know for PC's its using the more available RAM, i.e. >4GB. But I dunno what else it did.

So whats the advantage on a cell phone??
well for that you will have to go down to binary level....all info is 1 or 0...so until now (32bit) processors had 5 "data" lines....2 raised to 5 (2^5) is 32 and thats how the data is transferred....

but adding another line 2 raised to 6 is 64, you can transfer more data and you can transfer data faster....

so with this, the OS/Apps can talk to your processor quicker and in a more efficient way....also since there is another data line, this allows for more memory (ram/user memory) to be used....
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:23 PM
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I'm surprised they didn't have anything in iOS7 that takes advantage of the M7 chip.

Also the 5C is a genius ploy for apple to bump up their profits. Cheaper to make than the 5 (I'm guessing) and will be selling it for the same price as the 5, if there was no 5C. And I'd arguably say I'd take the 5 just for that form factor.

I'm guessing this phone will be fast and have the best camera on the market, but I dont see it as something people will be upgrading their 5 from. I wouldnt at least if i had one.

edit: unless the 5 gets a nice resale boost since they will be off the market...
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AZuser
I wonder what tomorrow's media event in China will be about? Are they going to reannounce the iPhone 5C just for the China market, or will there be a China Mobile deal?
I thought in the start of the inauguration he said "big thanks to people joining us from Berlin, Tokyo and Beijing"....maybe the event was translated for them
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:25 PM
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Initializing more memory eats up battery life though.

I think until we hit a major tech break through with batteries, you won't ever see an iOS device reach the 32 bit limit of 4GB anyway...

Really what they are doing is getting their feet in the door first. Which opens up early supply chains down the line later.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:29 PM
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Well, after several good years with my 3GS I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on the 5S when it goes on sale. I'm pretty positive based on what I have read about it- will be worlds ahead of what I am used to.
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Originally Posted by maharajamd
Initializing more memory eats up battery life though.

I think until we hit a major tech break through with batteries, you won't ever see an iOS device reach the 32 bit limit of 4GB anyway...

Really what they are doing is getting their feet in the door first. Which opens up early supply chains down the line later.
not necessarily....

imagine you transfer 5gigs of memory and with a 64bit processor it takes 5 minutes....with a 32bit processor, it might take 7 minutes....hence the battery utilization might not be a big thing here....also Apple did mention a better battery on this device right?

and yes if you are playing games and using every bit of that 64bit processor, I totally agree with you....it will drain the battery very quickly....but for most people who just get on facebook/mails/etc general use, it might not make a difference either in battery life or performance....

and totally agree on just getting their foot in the door and hoping for something big....
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:32 PM
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Well, after several good years with my 3GS I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on the 5S when it goes on sale. I'm pretty positive based on what I have read about it- will be worlds ahead of what I am used to.
brother you will be surprised....

I went from a 3GS to the Galaxy note and that felt like a HUGEEEE upgrade....the original note was laggy and had bugs (first device out, expected just like the inital iphone i stood in line for and paid $600 for)....the iphone 5c will feel like a welcome upgrade, the 5S will just blow your socks !!!
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:39 PM
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Just sitting there, unused, the system memory eats up battery.

Why put 4GB in there when you barely ever use more then say, 1.5GB? That 2.5GB will still vampire the life out of the battery.

So the whole 64bit to memory thing doesn't quite make sense.

We keep making things faster and smaller but power is a problem! Whoever comes out with a huge advancement in battery power will be a VERY RICH person.
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Old Sep 10, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by maharajamd
Just sitting there, unused, the system memory eats up battery.

Why put 4GB in there when you barely ever use more then say, 1.5GB? That 2.5GB will still vampire the life out of the battery.

So the whole 64bit to memory thing doesn't quite make sense.

We keep making things faster and smaller but power is a problem! Whoever comes out with a huge advancement in battery power will be a VERY RICH person.
yea our power needs definitely surpassed our battery needs a long time ago and that needs to change.
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^^^ again that depends....

depends if the processor is running on full throttle...depends on what kind/type/priority invokes the processor....

not sure how the A7 is, but if anything like prev gens, the processor does not run in full throttle unless invoked by heavy usage like a game or a huge transfer....

but Chad, am agreeing with you when invoked at max capacity, it will eat the battery up....and thats the whole point of a bigger processor....if a task maxes out a 16bit processor, its only using 50-60% on a 32bit processor, hence the 32bit wont run @ full throttle and hence lower battery usage....


EDIT: response was for Chad
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