Apple: iPhone News and Discussion Thread
Go Giants
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I have the Ipad or Nexus for movies. Even with the bigger screen of the 5, Im not watching movies on the thing.
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iPhone 5 won't support simultaneous voice and data on Verizon or Sprint
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/33...verizon-sprint
Apple's new iPhone 5 features support for LTE networks across the world, but it won't be able to offer simultaneous voice and data on all of them. The Verge has confirmed with Verizon Wireless that the iPhone 5 won't support the feature when it's on the carrier's cellular network, even if it is connected to LTE. This is in contrast to the rest of the LTE phones in Verizon's lineup, all of which support simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE.
A Verizon spokesperson provided this comment on the matter:
AT&T has confirmed to us that its version of the iPhone 5 does indeed support the feature, whether on HSPA+ or LTE (though the phone will not be able to use LTE speeds while on a call). Since Apple says that Sprint and Verizon will be offering the same version of the iPhone 5, it's safe to say that simultaneous voice and data will not be available on Sprint's network either. We have reached out to Sprint and will update this post if we receive a comment.
Given the various LTE bands in use on the different versions of the iPhone 5, it can be pretty difficult to make a decision as to which version to purchase. Now that we know Verizon's model won't support simultaneous voice and data over LTE, that decision just got a little bit harder for some customers that wish to use that feature.
A Verizon spokesperson provided this comment on the matter:
"The iPhone 5 was designed to allow customers to place a voice call on the Verizon Wireless network, while letting customers access the Internet over the WiFi."
Given the various LTE bands in use on the different versions of the iPhone 5, it can be pretty difficult to make a decision as to which version to purchase. Now that we know Verizon's model won't support simultaneous voice and data over LTE, that decision just got a little bit harder for some customers that wish to use that feature.
I'm just worried that having the phone aspect will make me use up more of the space and since I have internet wherever I have a use for more apps. Having only 5GB left on the iPod, you see why I'm worried about it...
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Other than "upgraded speakers", is there any more information on the new speakers in the 5? ...as in will they be able to play at higher volume for speakerphone use?
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Speakers on the 4 are WAY better than the 3GS....but that said they could still be louder...If Im in the jeep (the one car we have with no BT) than I actually prefer the headphones.
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Haven't heard, just read a review on the new EarPods though...
http://www.imore.com/apple-earpods-lighting-review
The sizzle in the Steak
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Phones I had years ago were a thousand times better at speakerphone volume than the iPhone.
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Stunna beat me to it... Yes CDMA iPhone 5 won't support simultaneous Voice + Data, as Apple decided not to add the extra antenna to do so... Samsung phones do support both, as Samsung did add the extra antenna.
GSM for the win with multiple frequencies, thus supporting it all. AT&T has an edge, shit service, but an edge.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/i...on-sprint.html
GSM for the win with multiple frequencies, thus supporting it all. AT&T has an edge, shit service, but an edge.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/i...on-sprint.html
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Ouch, I guess iPhone 5S needed some hot "new" feature to push next year.
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iPhone 5 won't support simultaneous voice and data on Verizon or Sprinthttp://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/33...verizon-sprint
Stunna beat me to it... Yes CDMA iPhone 5 won't support simultaneous Voice + Data, as Apple decided not to add the extra antenna to do so... Samsung phones do support both, as Samsung did add the extra antenna.
GSM for the win with multiple frequencies, thus supporting it all. AT&T has an edge, shit service, but an edge.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/i...on-sprint.html
GSM for the win with multiple frequencies, thus supporting it all. AT&T has an edge, shit service, but an edge.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/i...on-sprint.html
So why does Verizon’s Samsung Galaxy S III, a 4G LTE phone, juggle calls and data? Samsung added an extra antenna so that it pulls data from the 4G LTE network at the same time that it’s using another antenna to do voice, said Anand Shimpi, editor in chief of AnandTech.
Then why didn’t Apple add another antenna? It actually already has two antennas in an effort to improve reception, and it would have had to add a third antenna just for Verizon and Sprint phones to give them simultaneous data and calls, Mr. Shimpi explained. Leaving that third antenna out allows Apple to simplify its manufacturing process of the iPhone for multiple carriers. Plus, in the next two years the 4G LTE network is supposed to evolve to support voice calls, which would render another antenna unnecessary later.
Then why didn’t Apple add another antenna? It actually already has two antennas in an effort to improve reception, and it would have had to add a third antenna just for Verizon and Sprint phones to give them simultaneous data and calls, Mr. Shimpi explained. Leaving that third antenna out allows Apple to simplify its manufacturing process of the iPhone for multiple carriers. Plus, in the next two years the 4G LTE network is supposed to evolve to support voice calls, which would render another antenna unnecessary later.
Apple has issued the following statement to NYT on the issue:
"It is not yet possible to do simultaneous voice and data on networks that use CDMA for voice and LTE for data in a single radio design."
"It is not yet possible to do simultaneous voice and data on networks that use CDMA for voice and LTE for data in a single radio design."
So no, they would not need to add an extra antenna for next years iPhone.So basically my understanding is that when you make a call with the iPhone, it will switch out of LTE since it can only do data right now and use verizon/sprints CDMA network which does not support data&voice at the same time. And for the case of AT&T, 3G/4G which can do both
And with samsung, im guessing the extra antenna connects to the 3G signal for voice while the regular antenna is for data.
Last edited by Mizouse; Sep 13, 2012 at 09:52 PM.
Apple is updating their site! Verizon too, it won't even load properly lol
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someone made a very valid point at another board - when the hype for the 5 was starting, they were touting it as "Steve Jobs' last project". They were making it sound like it was going to be the most amazing phone ever made, they talked about it as if it's going to be an entirely new product. When comparing to these statements, the iPhone 5 is a big letdown. It *is* nothing more than the regular upgrades and enhancements to previous model. And in some aspects it has stayed the 'same'. 
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someone made a very valid point at another board - when the hype for the 5 was starting, they were touting it as "Steve Jobs' last project". They were making it sound like it was going to be the most amazing phone ever made, they talked about it as if it's going to be an entirely new product. When comparing to these statements, the iPhone 5 is a big letdown. It *is* nothing more than the regular upgrades and enhancements to previous model. And in some aspects it has stayed the 'same'.
I would say that Jobs will have and on a few other items for a few years.
If anything its given Android one full year to move further ahead.Apple needs to crawl out of their own asses and start providing hooks into iOS to provide developers the ability to extend functionality in the hopes that the community can provide revolutionary widgets and apps that can help propel the iPhone into a market share it deserves. Unfortunately I don't see this happening anytime soon because of Apple's dictatorship philosophy when it comes to their phones which is a stark contrast to their computers which offer a plethora of ways for people to customize the shit out of them.
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I remember that hype. I also remember it coming from every blog and person that thinks they know what's going on. Nothing has come from anybody that really knows what products still have Jobs' finger on.
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someone made a very valid point at another board - when the hype for the 5 was starting, they were touting it as "Steve Jobs' last project". They were making it sound like it was going to be the most amazing phone ever made, they talked about it as if it's going to be an entirely new product. When comparing to these statements, the iPhone 5 is a big letdown. It *is* nothing more than the regular upgrades and enhancements to previous model. And in some aspects it has stayed the 'same'.
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If anything it's given Android one full year to move further ahead.Apple needs to crawl out of their own asses and start providing hooks into iOS to provide developers the ability to extend functionality in the hopes that the community can provide revolutionary widgets and apps that can help propel the iPhone into a market share it deserves. Unfortunately I don't see this happening anytime soon because of Apple's dictatorship philosophy when it comes to their phones which is a stark contrast to their computers which offer a plethora of ways for people to customize the shit out of them.
I just want them to improve upon their products and provide more functionality in a direction that can empower developers in the way Android developers have been empowered. I think many people forget that developers have a big role to play in the quality of the experience you get with the phone. If they can improve upon what developers can do, it can only get better. That's all I'm asking for.
And yes, I know I can jailbreak, but I shouldn't have to jailbreak to do so if Android phones don't have to be cracked in order to do something similar, and still sell very well.
And yes, I know I can jailbreak, but I shouldn't have to jailbreak to do so if Android phones don't have to be cracked in order to do something similar, and still sell very well.
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Don't forget, Apple has a "locked down" mentality - they don't do open-source type of stuff. They want to retain control over how you use their products. This is one of the most annoying things (to me) about Apple. I love to customize the crap out of things.
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This is only the case with their iOS devices. You can customize the crap out of your Apple computer with many third party add-ons or make your own.
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I think that most people complaining about the iPhone 5 wanted to see something new in the the software area, which was already announced when iOS6 was announced earlier. This announcement for the iPhone 5 was the hardware only since they handled the software earlier. I think thats why a lot of people are on more of a let down because the software didnt change much. It didnt get a redesign like iOS4, or get a cool new feature like siri when ithe 4s came out.
Because there was no dramatic software update, is why i think people are complaining, including me. I mean hardware wise you can only do so much, and this phone as hardware specs go, is probably the best out there or rivals the best.
But being the next generation iPhone, as the software goes, the biggest thing is turn by turn navigation (i think, forgot everything that was announced in iOS6) which for a lot of users who dont have the iPhone (and they are the ones complaining), already have turn by turn
but as an avid iOS user, like some of you who stuck with iPhone all the way this is something bigger, but still nothing revolutionary like siri, or a new design.
Because there was no dramatic software update, is why i think people are complaining, including me. I mean hardware wise you can only do so much, and this phone as hardware specs go, is probably the best out there or rivals the best.
But being the next generation iPhone, as the software goes, the biggest thing is turn by turn navigation (i think, forgot everything that was announced in iOS6) which for a lot of users who dont have the iPhone (and they are the ones complaining), already have turn by turn
but as an avid iOS user, like some of you who stuck with iPhone all the way this is something bigger, but still nothing revolutionary like siri, or a new design.
