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Old 11-12-2011, 09:05 PM
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Bruins seem to have figured out their goal scoring issues. 30 goals in 5 games with another 6 pack tonight.
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Well, the annual Circus Trip begins for the Hawks...this may define their season.
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I wonder how much trouble Lucic is going to be in for plowing over Miller...?
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
I wonder how much trouble Lucic is going to be in for plowing over Miller...?
I know my opinion is biased and I know the goalie is not fair game even if he's in the face off circle but I've got 2 issues here.

1st Lucic has the right to go for the puck, he's not a great skater and when he lost the puck he put his head down and picked up as much steam as he could to go after if. When his head came up there wasn't much time to react, to me after seeing him barrel over a few people in his career, it looked like he was trying to protect his face more than completely run Miller.

2nd, this whole Miller suffered a concussion on the play thing is absolute BS. Miller has played like shit all season and there is a goaltender controversy in Buffalo because his back up has played much better. Miller played another 26+ minutes of Hockey after his supposed concussion before he was pulled. He was also knocked hard into the back of the net when one of his own players shoved Seguin into him. That was the last hit Miller took before being pulled so how can they say Miller was concussed on the Lucic hit and not the collision with Seguin? Probably because that collision was caused by Millers own team so that doesn't help them get the retribution they want.

I really think this Miller as a concussion thing is just a way to allow him to save face while being replaced by his backup who has been playing like the number 1 goalie as well as try to force Shanny's hand with supplemental discipline. If Lucic is suspended b/c there was an injury on the play, Buffalo should be fined heavily as a team for not following NHL protocol in sending Miller to the "quiet room" and allowing him to play another 26+ minutes with a brain injury.

If he is truly in charge of player safety and he believes Miller suffered the concussion on the Lucic hit he should consider that Millers own team put him in serious danger and fine them as well.
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Originally Posted by black label
If Lucic is suspended b/c there was an injury on the play, Buffalo should be fined heavily as a team for not following NHL protocol in sending Miller to the "quiet room" and allowing him to play another 26+ minutes with a brain injury.
good point
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Kings solved their lack of scoring problems: Penner on the IR will do amazingly positive things to your lineup.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Kings solved their lack of scoring problems: Penner on the IR will do amazingly positive things to your lineup.
So, you think your team's issues are with the system they play (i.e. coach) or just a lack of scoring punch?
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the Sabres should be ashamed of themselves. stand up for your goalie!
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
So, you think your team's issues are with the system they play (i.e. coach) or just a lack of scoring punch?
Perhaps a :wink: was in order.
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The league should wake up and limit the "not fair game" rules on goaltenders.

If you are gonna cruse all the way out to the circles and limit the play, you should be fair game.

I'm not sure where exactly to "draw the line" as to where and where they are not fair game, but it's ridiculous that a goalie can go anywhere in any situation and is never fair game.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...lucic_hea.html

No suspension for Lucic...

I thought it could have been a lot worse if he actually wanted to hit Miller and dropped the shoulder. To me it looked like Lucic pulled up at the last second to brace himself, but I am not sure if he would have had the time to actually side step and avoid any contact. It was a pretty quick play, so it's hard to judge.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The league should wake up and limit the "not fair game" rules on goaltenders.

If you are gonna cruse all the way out to the circles and limit the play, you should be fair game.

I'm not sure where exactly to "draw the line" as to where and where they are not fair game, but it's ridiculous that a goalie can go anywhere in any situation and is never fair game.
While I agree it's frustrating at times, you have to try to protect goaltenders. That said, when they roam that far out in a breakaway situation, there's always going to be the chance for incidental contact which is allowed in the rulebook. You can't expect someone to just give up on a puck they think they can get to first simply because the goaltender left his crease to play it. It's just like any other puck race except it usually involves 2 people racing to the same spot from opposite directions which can have some interesting results. There's a reason they don't race that way in NASCAR, Lucic and Miller provided a good demonstration as to why.
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Originally Posted by black label
While I agree it's frustrating at times, you have to try to protect goaltenders. That said, when they roam that far out in a breakaway situation, there's always going to be the chance for incidental contact which is allowed in the rulebook. You can't expect someone to just give up on a puck they think they can get to first simply because the goaltender left his crease to play it. It's just like any other puck race except it usually involves 2 people racing to the same spot from opposite directions which can have some interesting results. There's a reason they don't race that way in NASCAR, Lucic and Miller provided a good demonstration as to why.
You lost me at NASCAR.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
You lost me at NASCAR.
Just pointing out how it's obvious that big collisions are going to happen when races occur to the same destination from opposite directions. That's what the incidental contact is and why goalies can't expect to come that far out in that type of situation and force the other player to just give up on the puck race.
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You lost me at NASCAR.
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:admiralackbarvoice: It's a Trap!

The N.H.L.’s general managers will convene at a suburban Toronto hotel Tuesday for their annual fall meeting to debate whether a rule change is needed to limit the neutral-zone trap, after exactly one mildly controversial game.

The trapping debate could divert general managers’ attention from matters many would consider more important, like a measure to adopt no-touch icing, after a serious injury early this season.

The general managers cannot formally propose rule changes at the meeting. Those proposals are made when the general managers reconvene in March, but the fall meeting is when they decide which matters to study and revisit in the spring.

The trapping issue emerged last Wednesday at Tampa Bay, when the Philadelphia Flyers refused to advance the puck against the Lightning’s 1-3-1 trap. The Lightning, in turn, refused to forecheck, so on several occasions totaling about four minutes of playing time, a Flyers defenseman stood motionless in his own zone with the puck while four Lightning players stood motionless at their various stations in the neutral zone and a fifth stood idle deep in his own zone.

It was a tactical standoff, brief and somewhat amusing, in a single game, but it drew plenty of attention.


“I think it’s been called an embarrassing moment,” Commissioner Gary Bettman said Thursday on his radio show. “We play 1,230 regular-season games, and in the course of seasons played things happen that are unusual, teams will do things that are unpredictable and unexpected.”

Yet despite the singularity of the event, there will be discussion among the 30 general managers on Tuesday about whether something should be done about the trap. The focus may be on Lightning Coach Guy Boucher’s 1-3-1 trap, which is slightly different from the 1-2-2 used by other teams.

One idea being talked about is a proposal to allow icing if a defending team goes into a passive 1-3-1.
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Great comeback by the pens last night, down 3-1, and exploding for 5 unanswered goals
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I must be dreaming SEVENINAROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had to sweat that one out til the end though! Richards is catching fire!
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James Neal tho. 2nd in league in goals. Woot.

Pens killing it with no Crosby, either.
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Yup...the Pens look to be scary once Sid comes back.


Anyone care about Power Rankings now...?
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Had to sweat that one out til the end though! Richards is catching fire!
Yup & they almost allowed the tie in the last 18 seconds.
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Yup & they almost allowed the tie in the last 18 seconds.
Yeah, saw that one hit the post. The Islanders always love to play the Rangers tough tho.....so will the Devils
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Beats hell out of the loss they gave us last game!

Last time I went to an Islander game at the Garden in the late 90s Ranger fans were still chanting Potvin sucks!

lol
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Hawks better win!
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The Hawks. Brought it.
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Penner out, + Loktionov in + Martinez out + Voynov in = Kings on a roll
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Penner out, + Loktionov in + Martinez out + Voynov in = Kings on a roll
Who the fawk are these people?

Martinez? This isn't the baseball thread.
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Who the fawk are these people?

Martinez? This isn't the baseball thread.
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Originally Posted by dom
Who the fawk are these people?

Martinez? This isn't the baseball thread.
It's gonna blow your simple Canadian mind when you find out there is a Gomez, Fernandez in the league too
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Well, there's that.

Cuz, you certainly can't laugh at his Leaves since well, they have more points than the Kings right now.
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^^ Who's laughing at the Leafs
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^^ Who's laughing at the Leafs
Exactly. That's why it's easier to pick on his Canadianess.


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