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10-05-2011, 11:38 AM
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No consistency whatsoever, no definite lines drawn, and players will still not know what is "permissible" and what is not. Is this hit going to get me 10 games...maybe 2 games....maybe zero....who knows....only Shanny and his interpretation, his opinion of what a player was thinking on the ice, and hopefully multiple camera angles.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...starting off with 8 games and a half million salary lost was a bad, bad way to go. Now we have a zero suspension after a head hit that a guy got laid out for.
The big difference between the NHL and NFL and the reason we're even having this discussion, leadership. NFL has it and the NHL doesn't.
10-05-2011, 11:38 AM
Could have sworn I heard something about how there were no injuries to NFL starting QB's through the first 4 weeks of the season for the first time in 'X' amount of years. The protection in place is working.
I don't think the Steckel hit was dirty, just my
but it's the type of hit that should have been penalized, even if we just start with a 2 minute minor. The Hedman hit may have been clean by definition of the rule, but its the type of hit that should be outlawed and penalized. Rules should and can change.
I don't think the Steckel hit was dirty, just my
but it's the type of hit that should have been penalized, even if we just start with a 2 minute minor. The Hedman hit may have been clean by definition of the rule, but its the type of hit that should be outlawed and penalized. Rules should and can change.You know more about the history of this game than I. Might as well as turn all games into the All Star game without no checking, hits, etc and see how good of a game it is. I know bad hits need to go, but don't take away from the game.
10-05-2011, 11:40 AM
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Did you see how fast Malone turned around to apologize? He immediately knew what he did may be suspendable. Awareness may be setting in.
10-05-2011, 11:42 AM
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Steckel didn't hit Crosby, he went around and Crosby turned into him. So how does that warrant two minutes? Hedman hit wasn't to the head and it was a clean check.
You know more about the history of this game than I. Might as well as turn all games into the All Star game without no checking, hits, etc and see how good of a game it is. I know bad hits need to go, but don't take away from the game.
You know more about the history of this game than I. Might as well as turn all games into the All Star game without no checking, hits, etc and see how good of a game it is. I know bad hits need to go, but don't take away from the game.
You hate to see it happen to your star player but it was clean...What do you do?
To me, these devastating but legal hits are like a clean tackle to a receiver going across the middle who gets laid out by a waiting linebacker.
10-05-2011, 11:44 AM
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and American does that. Fair-weather fan here. Only became one when the Hawks won the Cup. 
10-05-2011, 01:03 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
As far as giving it time....I think we are going to see more of the same.
Despite Shanny posting videos, fans, players, and GM's are still going to be
baffled as to why one guy gets 8 games, and another zero.
When Shanny came right out of the gate throwing out 8 gamers, I knew we were in trouble.
I hope Shanny proves me wrong, I really do....but I just don't see it happening.
10-05-2011, 01:12 PM
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Steckel didn't hit Crosby, he went around and Crosby turned into him. So how does that warrant two minutes? Hedman hit wasn't to the head and it was a clean check.
You know more about the history of this game than I. Might as well as turn all games into the All Star game without no checking, hits, etc and see how good of a game it is. I know bad hits need to go, but don't take away from the game.
You know more about the history of this game than I. Might as well as turn all games into the All Star game without no checking, hits, etc and see how good of a game it is. I know bad hits need to go, but don't take away from the game.
I don't understand how you guys see nothing wrong with the Hedman hit? Was it vicious? not at all but he drove him into the boards from behind, with some force. The head contact had everything to do with the size difference granted, but we need to get rid of people being driven into the boards, period.
Its the most dangerous play in hockey.
10-05-2011, 01:55 PM
I just watched the video for the Hedman check again, it wasn't a train wreck but check. Seemed to be a very light hit compared to what it could have been.
Seem to me that Sidney shouldn't have been back on the ice that soon to start with and that is why he's still sitting out 10 months later.
Seemed to be a very light hit compared to what it could have been.Seem to me that Sidney shouldn't have been back on the ice that soon to start with and that is why he's still sitting out 10 months later.
10-05-2011, 02:26 PM
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Steckel went straight into crosby, no attempts to go around, straight in, watch it again, the behind view from above the goal, he goes straight at him.
10-05-2011, 02:34 PM
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I love the analogy Crosby used in his press conference a few weeks back. He mentioned how a high stick, whether accidental or not (A lot of them are clearly accidental IMO) draw a penalty regardless. There's no guess work for the official or anyone else.
If they implement the same thing when it comes to head contact, there would be a lot more consistency. Will there be some people unfairly punished? Of course, but its all part of the process. Look at the NFL and how strict they are with QB hits and head hits. Its working.
If they implement the same thing when it comes to head contact, there would be a lot more consistency. Will there be some people unfairly punished? Of course, but its all part of the process. Look at the NFL and how strict they are with QB hits and head hits. Its working.
10-05-2011, 02:44 PM
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Seem to me that Sidney shouldn't have been back on the ice that soon to start with and that is why he's still sitting out 10 months later.
10-05-2011, 02:50 PM
Disagree, I have watched it many times, even today. Steckel tries to go sidestep him, as Crosby turns into the path that Steckel has taken.
10-05-2011, 02:54 PM
I can't see this drive you're taking about, Crosby was right there at the boards, he was on the boards when checked. Hedman didn't drive him into to them.
10-05-2011, 02:57 PM
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^ See the last few posts prove why there's inconsistency. No 2 people see a play the same way. Which is why we need to penalize regardless of intent or whether or not it was accidental. Just like they do with high sticks.
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10-05-2011, 02:57 PM
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You could have just used the Thank you feature.
10-05-2011, 03:07 PM
To add, the subject of these "hits" is The Golden Baby of hockey... But it doesn't sway my thoughts of the hits. If they were cheap shots I would agree, and if it was someone other than him. People wouldn't be worry so much about it.
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10-05-2011, 03:08 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:10 PM
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Well, maybe jupes will see it differently if Ovie was to be receiving crayons for the rest of his life after getting sent to orbit by a hit...? 
Just saying.
Just saying.
10-05-2011, 03:14 PM
If they change the rule because it's Crosby, then I would expect to hear the same
that you would give Brady for the rule made for him, in the NFL.
10-05-2011, 03:15 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:15 PM
10-05-2011, 03:16 PM
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I'm not a fanboi for the sake of being one, I look at the whole picture, if it was bad then it was bad. But I don't see two illegal hits.
If they change the rule because it's Crosby, then I would expect to hear the same that you would give Brady for the rule made for him, in the NFL.
If they change the rule because it's Crosby, then I would expect to hear the same
that you would give Brady for the rule made for him, in the NFL.
10-05-2011, 03:16 PM
10-05-2011, 03:16 PM
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
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So, headshot debate aside and the commentary on the Shana-bans...
Any fearless forecasts for the year...? Picks for the Cup?
Any fearless forecasts for the year...? Picks for the Cup?
10-05-2011, 03:20 PM
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1 player's looking where he's going, 1 isn't. According to you, it's the guy who isn't lookings' fault? Steckel takes off straight into Crosby's head, he makes no move to sidestep or avoid contact. At least hedman I could see was finishing his check, but Steckel joining the rush goes straight as crosby as he's turning
10-05-2011, 03:22 PM
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This has nothing to do with Crosby. As someone who's been in this thread for some time you should know that we've been bitching about these types of hits long before Crosby was ever involved. He has nothing to do with my view on the subject.
And again to be clear. I don't think either was was dirty/illegal. But that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't have been penalized. Moving forward anyway.
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10-05-2011, 03:25 PM
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Not sure what you mean by the Golden Baby/Boy thing? EDIT: Nevermind, I'm slow.
This has nothing to do with Crosby. As someone who's been in this thread for some time you should know that we've been bitching about these types of hits long before Crosby was ever involved. He has nothing to do with my view on the subject.
And again to be clear. I don't think either was was dirty/illegal. But that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't have been penalized. Moving forward anyway.
This has nothing to do with Crosby. As someone who's been in this thread for some time you should know that we've been bitching about these types of hits long before Crosby was ever involved. He has nothing to do with my view on the subject.
And again to be clear. I don't think either was was dirty/illegal. But that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't have been penalized. Moving forward anyway.
10-05-2011, 03:25 PM
Not sure what you mean by the Golden Baby/Boy thing? EDIT: Nevermind, I'm slow.
This has nothing to do with Crosby. As someone who's been in this thread for some time you should know that we've been bitching about these types of hits long before Crosby was ever involved. He has nothing to do with my view on the subject.
This has nothing to do with Crosby. As someone who's been in this thread for some time you should know that we've been bitching about these types of hits long before Crosby was ever involved. He has nothing to do with my view on the subject.
10-05-2011, 03:25 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:26 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:27 PM
10-05-2011, 03:29 PM
10-05-2011, 03:34 PM
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But, I can promise you, up here, this has been a hot button topic long before Crosby was involved. Yumchah can back that up. He was just the icing on the cake so to speak.
And the same would happen if it was Ovie. Maybe some wouldn't care quite as much but when the game loses a top star, people take notice.
10-05-2011, 03:36 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:46 PM
I can't deny that there's now more attention because its him, or that some are just now paying attention.
But, I can promise you, up here, this has been a hot button topic long before Crosby was involved. Yumchah can back that up. He was just the icing on the cake so to speak.
And the same would happen if it was Ovie. Maybe some wouldn't care quite as much but when the game loses a top star, people take notice.
But, I can promise you, up here, this has been a hot button topic long before Crosby was involved. Yumchah can back that up. He was just the icing on the cake so to speak.
And the same would happen if it was Ovie. Maybe some wouldn't care quite as much but when the game loses a top star, people take notice.
10-05-2011, 03:50 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:51 PM
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I dunno if the Oilers will be terrible this year...I'm more concerned about Phoenix out in the West.
And I think Ottawa will be the anchor for the East.
And I think Ottawa will be the anchor for the East.
10-05-2011, 03:53 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
I will refrain from any fearless predictions for I have a few guys on my team that are made of glass.
10-05-2011, 04:03 PM
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Vancouver still looks as deep as ever. But, I wonder if they will be bitten by a slow start...
Other top teams include the Sharks, Hawks, and Pink Things (can they just please die!??)...I think that comprises my Top 5 in the West. Order of finish is a toss-up.