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Old 09-21-2011, 02:41 PM
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Streit named captain of Isles.

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Red Wings have money to blow

By Dave Waddell

DETROIT— In the economically ravaged state of Michigan, the Detroit Red Wings are one of a few organizations looking to hire new faces.

With Brian Rafalski, Kris Draper, Chris Osgood retiring in the off-season and Detroit flush with cap space (US$5.8-million), the Wings’ training camp will see legitimate battles for roster spots.....
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/...money-to-blow/


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Wings just put in an offer sheet on Doughty
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Wings just put in an offer sheet on Doughty
Circumspect, but if true...
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^^ I'm surprised you are not all shook-up about legendary Red Wing Mike Modano retiring.
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Homey say ?

He was with us for less than 1/3 of a season, why would I be destroyed about that.


Doughty on the other hand could be our next Lidstrom for 20 years.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Wings just put in an offer sheet on Doughty
Well, if Doughty wants that 60 year contract...maybe the Wings can oblige?
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Homey say ?

He was with us for less than 1/3 of a season, why would I be destroyed about that.


Doughty on the other hand could be our next Lidstrom for 20 years.
Chill dude. Waldorf's joking.
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Arrow Brent Severyn: My Life as an NHL Enforcer...

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The day I became a "goon" is pretty clear. In September 1996 -- seven years into my NHL career, the same season that Wade Belak was turning pro and joining the Avalanche -- I got a call from Colorado. "We need a fourth-line forward to protect our guys, are you interested?" After a 15- or 20-minute conversation, I decided I would give it a shot.

It was my dream to be playing in the NHL and I was willing to do anything to stay there. Being an enforcer was the toughest job I had to do. Protecting your teammates by fighting is a physical and mental battle waged daily with opponents and within your own head. The actual fight on the ice is not the worst part. It's thinking about the fight. A mental vise grips you at training camp and doesn't let go until the end of the season. Fighting permeates every aspect of your thoughts. A slow boil of fear is always under the surface of your life.

Fighting was not enjoyable, but it had always earned me respect and room on the ice. When I joined Colorado, I had been working to establish myself as a stay-at-home defenseman in the NHL. I was known as a guy who could handle himself, but I generally left the heavy lifting to my team's enforcer. I didn't know much about the forward position. Frankly, I did not have the stick-handling ability for it. I was excited to play on a team that had just won the Stanley Cup and had an outstanding chance to repeat, but I did not realize that my life as a hockey player and how I would be viewed for the rest of my career would be altered forever.

The challenge
Skilled players use the preseason to get their timing back, work the power play and get into game shape. Tough guys have to be on at all times, ready to handle every new young player who wants to take their jobs and livelihoods. Training camp may be the only time these kids can impress the people who make personnel decisions. In camp with Colorado, there were several tough guys ready to take my role. I was fortunate to have [veteran winger] Mike Keane as my mentor to guide me on positioning and puck management in my new position. What Mike could not prepare me for was the demands of being the enforcer. I was being asked to replace Chris Simon, a monster of a man, an intimidating presence on the ice. This weighed on me heavily during that camp.

I had to fight a couple of times and I sensed players on other teams would use me to make an impression on their coaches. I felt their eyes burning the back of my head during the warm-up skate before games. That was the time to get a read on a player. You learn quickly to pay attention to little things that might give you an edge in a fight: body language, skating ability and sweater-size were indicators of a pugilist who would test me. I always looked to see what hand he used to take off his helmet during the national anthems. If he held it with his left, he would most likely hold my shirt with that hand and punch with his right. If he held his helmet with the other hand, he was a dreaded lefty and would have to be dealt with another way. If you are not prepared for something like that, your fight will be short and humiliating.

An enforcer must also have a feel for how a game is unfolding and continually take stock of his team's emotional state. Are the guys skating well? Do they seem up? If they need a wake-up call, you fight. If the other team has the emotional edge, you fight. The score also determines when you apply your trade. The minute the other team gets a two-goal lead, it's time to dust off your knuckles as your coach may put you in to stop your opponents' surge. Up three or more goals, you get more ice time as you have to be out there to keep the peace.

Games from Hell
Being an enforcer was exhausting emotionally. I was always mentally taking note of my upcoming dance card -- the guy I had to fight next. I lay awake at night and tried to remember what he did in our last fight, his strengths and weaknesses, and how to protect myself. Joe Lozito, a friend, spent hours tracking fighters and putting them on video. If you wanted your fights or needed the "book" on a new guy, Joe was the guy to ask. Now, the website, hockeyfights.com, is the library of fighter information.

A typical road trip scenario from my years as a fighter: I'm on a plane to Toronto. Their enforcer is Tie Domi. He throws both hands and loves to chirp. Man, he's so strong. If I release my grip too early, I'm done. I've got to throw for his chin as he has a very hard head. After Toronto, we play Ottawa and Dennis Vial: unpredictable, a big-time gamer. Then it's two games from hell. In St. Louis, Kelly Chase challenges anyone and will not tolerate anything out there. Tony Twist is big and strong with devastating punches that can cave your face in a second. After that, Detroit: Bob Probert (legendary tough guy with stamina, strength and power) and his sidekick Joey Kocur, whose right hand is the size of an anvil. Didn't he break some guy's helmet in two?

Sitting on the bench during those games, a sick feeling washed over me. My stomach churned with fear, anxiety and anticipation. I felt my teammates' expectations as they looked at me. They knew I was going to stand up for them, and I had a sense of pride in my role and responsibility.

I'd go in cold, my legs and back a little sore from sitting most of the game. There were 20,000 people in the building, but only one had my attention. I might as well have left my stick and gloves on the bench. The joke around the dressing room was that tough guys don't even see the puck. "You handle it like a manhole cover," my teammates joked. It's true. Like a magnet, you are always drawn to your counterpart on the other team.

The burst
Once the gloves are off, the pressure, tension and mental energy explode in a huge release of violence. Your instincts and strategy take over. I fought so often that I could feel my adversary's movement and tell you what hand he was throwing, I didn't have to look. When your punch connects, you feel it in your hands and through your body. I also knew if I was throwing wildly. You sense when you are off-balance or your rhythm is wrong. Being unsettled in a fight usually portends danger. The first rule of the fight club is to never look down. If you do, you are open to a devastating uppercut. Sometimes when I really got tagged I would see a bright starburst in my head, almost like lightning. I thought I was soft and it was a sign of weakness until I interviewed Ultimate Fighting champion Matt Hughes years later and he said he felt the same thing when he was hit hard.

If I lost a fight, I felt terrible that I let the team down. Embarrassed and pissed off, I'd stew in the penalty box. I'd hear it from friends at home. My mom would call to make sure I was all right. But coaches, the other players, and management aren't concerned that you just got your ass handed to you. It doesn't matter that you have a broken nose and lacerations on you cheek. You're expected to smile and like it. Your job is to keep everyone else up and it makes no difference if your hands are busted up so bad that you can't hold a soda can.

If I really beat up a guy, I was happy I got away unscathed, but I felt bad. I knew he'd have to handle the same embarrassment and dirty looks from his coaches and teammates, and hear from fans about how he'd had his clock cleaned. I felt oddly emotional if my opponent had to be carted off because he was injured. We fight as part of our living, but we do not want to interrupt or ruin anyone's career. It's a crazy fraternity.
Fighter's remorse
In 1998, I was with Anaheim when we played Dallas and tensions were rising to a boiling point. Defenseman Craig Ludwig took out his frustration by running our star, Teemu Selanne, in a 5-1 game the Stars were leading that was essentially over. I heard our coach call my line and took the ice with our other ruffians. We lined up for the face-off in Dallas's end of the ice. I looked at who Dallas had sent out and tried to get their coach's attention -- I knew he did not recognize what was about to happen and had the wrong lineup on the ice.

The puck dropped and we launched our attack. I got paired with Stars defenseman Darryl Sydor, but that didn't matter to him. He was a warrior in his own right. I threw him to the ice and tried to find their enforcer. Darryl got up and jumped on my back. I got him off and fired one of the hardest lefts I have ever thrown and it hit the side of Darryl's head. The fight was over. Darryl was helped off the ice and the game came to a merciful end with only two players left on the benches. To this day, people in Dallas approach me and want to discuss that fight.

I sat on the bus after the game and thought about what I had done. I'd lost it and hurt someone. I was literally sick to my stomach. I can still see and feel that punch connect. I did not sleep well for several nights. Still, I could not let anyone know how I felt. I followed up to make sure that no permanent damage had been done to Darryl and prepared for my next bout.

As fate would have it, I played for Dallas the next season (1998-99) and my seatmate on our plane was Darryl. In your first introduction after something like that, you smile, make light of it, say you're sorry, but it hurts you. The memory of our fight made me feel even worse when I got to know what a great guy he is. The person you try to beat on one occasion becomes your teammate and friend the next. It's a crazy job!

The vicious cycle
As enforcer's ice time decreases as his fights increase. No matter how hard you practice, your foot speed, stick-handling, reads on the ice and overall performance go in the toilet fast. You need a game pace to stay sharp. It's a vicious cycle. You lift weights to become stronger, but as you get bigger, you get slower, thus decreasing your effectiveness. An inferiority complex can set in.

The best coaches and many GMs and owners are savvy enough to let their enforcer know he is a valued member of the team. After a fight -- win or lose -- you yearn for a pat on the back. Sometimes you don't get that acknowledgment from the coach, and it's generally someone who never played in the NHL or had been a small offensively-gifted player. Those coaches consider enforcers to be meatheads and whipping boys, but they will not take that attitude with a first-liner or top scorer. I've seen superstars tell coaches on the bench to f--- off, throw sticks at them in the dressing room and belittle them in front of everyone. Enforcers are the team's biggest, baddest guys, but they can never express themselves like that. If they do, they are considerd distractions to the team.

Here's the paradox: You must work yourself into a frenzy of emotions to fight, but outwardly curb those feelings. You still have to get through your day and do all the things that normal people have to do --- laundry; go to the grocery store, etc. -- while the frenzy inside your mind builds. But you can't expose it to the rest of the world. It's only acceptable to express it on the ice.

The physical price
I first hurt my neck while fighting in juniors, and the constant tugging and punches to the head during my pro career caused issues that resonate to this day. My neck muscles still lock up and spasm.

While playing for Dallas in Oct. 1998, I fought Probert and fell backwards into the boards, striking the back of my head and jamming my chin into my chest. This injury ultimately put me out of the NHL.

I did everything trainers, doctors, and specialists suggested -- chiropractic, acupuncture and homeopathic care. One trainer said I was having difficulty healing because I was so wound up emotionally. I had a lot of things going on in my personal life and was struggling to get back into the lineup and frustrated mentally because every minute away meant someone else was filling my spot.

I worked frantically to get back onto the ice with my team and made it for a Feb.15, 1999 game against Edmonton. My reward was a date with hulking Georges Laraque at center ice. Unfortunately, my injury had taken away my biggest asset: strength. My timing was also off and I missed my jersey-grab on his big left arm. Georges proceeded to use my face as a speed bag and I never got set. I suffered a on home ice, a cut across the nose and a black eye.

If you get beaten up like that, you have to fight again to save face for yourself and your team. If you don't, you're considered soft. Embarrassment makes you angry and your fear is pushed aside. So after five minutes in the box, I went straight for Georges on the very next shift. Most people don't remember our second fight. In my own scoring system, I call it a draw. At least I was able to trade with him and score a few points in the bout.

I could sense the end of my NHL days was near after gooning it up for the Stars in 1999. All the healthy scratches and injuries had made it one of the toughest years of my career. I wasn't looking forward to another year of sitting, watching and getting punched in the face. Finding no takers in the NHL, I headed to Europe. It was a chance to get back to playing hockey as defenseman again. The German League had very little fighting and a big ice surface with little contact, so I could relax and enjoy the game. It was also a chance to restore some of my dignity. After three years of being labeled a goon, it was time to contribute to a team in other ways. Even with all that, two years in Germany was enough.

Looking back
When I retired, my mind and body wanted to get away from the physical pain and mental pressure. During the transition to my new life, my bouts of restlessness increased. I had strange dreams and nightmares about fighting. What got me through was a post-hockey plan and a good family support system. My wife Jill has been my biggest supporter. However, after you decompress, you start to miss the physical activity and competition. I even missed the pressure and being sore.

Enforcers are a small, proud fraternity called to do something that is against society's norms. Intimidation is part of hockey life and fighting has a place our sport. It keeps the game in check with fewer stick incidents and runs at guys, and it's a great release valve in a pressure-filled contest. The dirtiest, nastiest, most dangerous hockey I've played was in leagues that didn't have fighting. I even think there should be more of it and everyone should be responsible for taking care of themselves. I hate that only a few guys are asked to do nothing but fight.

I look at my career as a great success. It was tough and I hurt almost every day, but I'm proud that I had the guts and drive to battle. If you were to ask me to do it all over again, I would be up for the challenge. But I still get nervous for guys when their gloves come off. I catch myself holding my breath and twitching a bit as a fight develops. I know these fighters are doing everything they can to stay in the game.
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Nice article Yummy. After all he had to say about fighting in the league that sounded negative in light of the recent deaths of enforcers he still ended it with.....

The dirtiest, nastiest, most dangerous hockey I've played was in leagues that didn't have fighting. I even think there should be more of it and everyone should be responsible for taking care of themselves.
Apparently he attends the first church of Moog.
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^ I dunno...I'm still on the fence about fighting. I still am not sure if we need it in the game anymore.

For instance, if the NHL was explicitly clear on its rules, would the things Severyn pointed out be an issue...? Just a thought.
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To me, if you take it out, it's not really the NHL anymore. I can get into Olympic hockey but I see it as a short change of pace from rough hockey to world class college hockey. Respect for fellow players starts with respect for those who defend those players.

One of the things I love about the B's right now is the number of guys who will go after someone for a cheap shot on their teammate. Obviously we have Shawn Thornton as our true energy guy who will go out and start a fight to jump start the team or go out and settle something after the fact but it seems at all times we have someone out there who will react if necessary. Every defenseman we had last year sans Kaberle and Kampher was willing to act as the defacto policeman at any time if necessary. We didn't have to worry about too many liberties being taken with Krecji because he had Lucic on one side and Horton on the other. Horton had a one shot TKO last year responding to a cheapshot on Krecji.

If you want your Crosbys healthy, you need to make sure people are afraid to take liberties on them.
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Originally Posted by black label
Nice article Yummy. After all he had to say about fighting in the league that sounded negative in light of the recent deaths of enforcers he still ended it with.....



Apparently he attends the first church of Moog.

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And so it is quoted from the book of Severyn, chapter 4, verse 13:

Enforcers are a small, proud fraternity called to do something that is against society's norms. Intimidation is part of hockey life and fighting has a place our sport. It keeps the game in check with fewer stick incidents and runs at guys, and it's a great release valve in a pressure-filled contest. The dirtiest, nastiest, most dangerous hockey I've played was in leagues that didn't have fighting. I even think there should be more of it and everyone should be responsible for taking care of themselves. I hate that only a few guys are asked to do nothing but fight.
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^ That coming from the Funeral Director...it's perfect.
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A few are reporting/hinting that Wade Belak didn't commit suicide, it was accidental. Apparently he died the same way Micheal Hutchison and David Caraddine did.
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It keeps the game in check with fewer stick incidents and runs at guys, and it's a great release valve in a pressure-filled contest. The dirtiest, nastiest, most dangerous hockey I've played was in leagues that didn't have fighting.
Funny how none of that pressure needs to be released in the playoffs or in international tournaments. Meh, then again how much pressure could there be when paying for the Stanley Cup or Olympic Gold.

Fawkin goons desperate to remain relevant.
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A few are reporting/hinting that Wade Belak didn't commit suicide, it was accidental. Apparently he died the same way Micheal Hutchison and David Caraddine did.
oof!
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Originally Posted by dom
Funny how none of that pressure needs to be released in the playoffs or in international tournaments. Meh, then again how much pressure could there be when paying for the Stanley Cup or Olympic Gold.

Fawkin goons desperate to remain relevant.
oh my...

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The fight is an instant classic. Clark connects early with one of the hardest punches in hockey history. McSorley, to his credit, absorbs the shot and stays on his feet, although the punch decimated half of his face as captured in a memorable front page photo the next day...
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No fights during playoff hockey: Check!
No talent irrelevant goons going it it: Check!

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I hear you dude but that still doesn't answer the playoff/international argument. Good hockey can be played without fighting, its been proven over and over again for as long as the game has been played. That is Fact.

I don't mind fighting, I enjoy it at times, the season is too long, I get it. But its not an integral part of the game like some of these good dinosaurs want us to think it is.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
No fights during playoff hockey: Check!
No talent irrelevant goons going it it: Check!

Chara V Lecavalier Now there's a match-up!!
Can't see the vids at work but when do we typically see playoff fights? First round? end of blowout games? It rarely ever happens with the game on the line, why is that? Because the message was sent in game 1??? Please.

And when legit stars do go at it, Iginla anyone...its always great and its mostly always for a very good reason, and yes I enjoy it and want to see those types of fights continue. But 99.8% of the fights goons partake in are staged, mean nothing and happen just so these guys can stay relevant.

Can you really not see that?
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Originally Posted by dom
I hear you dude but that still doesn't answer the playoff/international argument. Good hockey can be played without fighting, its been proven over and over again for as long as the game has been played. That is Fact.

I don't mind fighting, I enjoy it at times, the season is too long, I get it. But its not an integral part of the game like some of these good dinosaurs want us to think it is.
I agree and disagree.....fighting for the sake of fighting....I don't care for it.
I'll take a brilliant back and forth action game w/ no fighting over a brawlfest any day of the week.
I love the game more than I do fighting.

...but to say fighting is not needed is short sided thinking. It's that kind of thinking by the NHL that brought us the instigator rule and the dawn of severe career ending injuries and concussion epidemic. The players policing themselves by fighting prevents the cheapshots that we are experiencing today to our premiere players.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S

...but to say fighting is not needed is short sided thinking. It's that kind of thinking by the NHL that brought us the instigator rule and the dawn of severe career ending injuries and concussion epidemic. The players policing themselves by fighting prevents the cheapshots that we are experiencing today to our premiere players.
Ya, see my second post. I just can't stand the goons dropping the gloves off at the draw at 2:30 into the first period.

Its those guys that are telling us how important their jobs are. I don't see it.
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Again, if about this policing for the pro-fighting pundits...If the rules are very clear on a hit, do we need policing?

A clean check to say, a Crosby/Ovechkin/etc. in a game...does that require punishment? But, let's go versus a nice high-stick which the League slams a fine, suspension, and 10 min. penalty...Would that still require a fighter?

Again, just asking. And I'm with dom here...In playoffs and international play, fights are very rare...
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Fighting for the sake of fighting in many cases is the enforcers way to spark the team. Back in the day in Boston when the team was down and we needed a goal, PJ Stock went out picked a fight with a bigger guy. It gets the fans riled up, it gets the team riled up and many many times, the B's would score within a minute of the fight.

It's the enforcers way of getting people to do the dirty work necessary to win hockey games. This one guy is willing to drop the gloves and go toe to toe with the toughest guy on the other team and risk the bone structure in his face for his team, show the same type of grit. Skate hard to prevent icing, go into the corners to dig out the puck, deal with the hacks to the legs and get in front of the net, drop to the ice to stop a 95mph slap shot.

The enforcer job is not only to police the ice but to remind the more skilled players that it takes grit and determination to win in the NHL.
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^ Personally, I dunno if we still need that...
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Fighting for the sake of fighting in many cases is the enforcers way to spark the team. Back in the day in Boston when the team was down and we needed a goal, PJ Stock went out picked a fight with a bigger guy. It gets the fans riled up, it gets the team riled up and many many times, the B's would score within a minute of the fight.

It's the enforcers way of getting people to do the dirty work necessary to win hockey games. This one guy is willing to drop the gloves and go toe to toe with the toughest guy on the other team and risk the bone structure in his face for his team, show the same type of grit. Skate hard to prevent icing, go into the corners to dig out the puck, deal with the hacks to the legs and get in front of the net, drop to the ice to stop a 95mph slap shot.

The enforcer job is not only to police the ice but to remind the more skilled players that it takes grit and determination to win in the NHL.
He can be a momentum changer.
A fight can get a down team all pumped and turn the momentum around the same way a timely goal can, or an excellent penalty kill can.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
^ Personally, I dunno if we still need that...
If that's the way you feel about hockey, you should check out this league it might be more your style.

http://www.usfsa.org/default.asp
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Originally Posted by black label
If that's the way you feel about hockey, you should check out this league it might be more your style.

http://www.usfsa.org/default.asp
Hilarious.


Does a fighter need to drop the gloves in the playoffs to spark his team?

Does any other sport require this...? Do you see NFL players taking off their helmets and duking it out to fire up their squad? How about a nice flagrant foul in basketball to fire up the bench...?

I don't quite get it. Again, just putting it out there...I know there's a need for it based on "tradition". But, otherwise, I could go without seeing fighting in the NHL so long as the League straightens out its rule book.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Hilarious.


Does a fighter need to drop the gloves in the playoffs to spark his team?

Does any other sport require this...? Do you see NFL players taking off their helmets and duking it out to fire up their squad? How about a nice flagrant foul in basketball to fire up the bench...?

I don't quite get it. Again, just putting it out there...I know there's a need for it based on "tradition". But, otherwise, I could go without seeing fighting in the NHL so long as the League straightens out its rule book.
Comparing Hockey to any other sport when it comes to fighting is apples and oranges.

Fighting has been a part of the game since the 19th century.

...and yes, sometimes a fight during the playoffs will spark a team.
You can't be a hockey fan and say you have never seen this...unless you are johnny come lately...which you are clearly not.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Comparing Hockey to any other sport when it comes to fighting is apples and oranges.

Fighting has been a part of the game since the 19th century.

...and yes, sometimes a fight during the playoffs will spark a team.
You can't be a hockey fan and say you have never seen this...unless you are johnny come lately...which you are clearly not.
I'd be lying to you if I didn't say I enjoy seeing a good ol' fashioned slugfest (i.e. Scott vs. Westgarth last year?) esp. if it does a nice thing for my team. Totally.

I grew up loving the Grim Reaper when he was protecting the Hawks and Dave Manson was one of my faves as a kid too. So, yeah...

That being said, as neat as it is...I'm also putting it out there that it is not inconceivable to imagine hockey without fighting because we've seen enough examples of games/series where it has not occurred and you still had a hard-fought, competitive product on the ice.
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I see all points, its hard to argue. But the best hockey I've ever watched was Olympic hockey, and I've yet to see even one fight. How great was that Canada-US gold medal game??? Tough, no dirty hits, guys giving it everything they have every shift and not one fight.

But I realize we can't have that in the NHL every night. But IMO there's no place for the staged fighting that we see on a nightly basis either. We can talk about this all we want, the NHL loves it, they realize most like to see it and they realize the value of the MMA generation. Its not going anywhere.

I'm more concerned about head shots. Will eliminating the instigator rule help on that front? I'm willing to find out.
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Originally Posted by dom
I see all points, its hard to argue. But the best hockey I've ever watched was Olympic hockey, and I've yet to see even one fight. How great was that Canada-US gold medal game??? Tough, no dirty hits, guys giving it everything they have every shift and not one fight.

But I realize we can't have that in the NHL every night. But IMO there's no place for the staged fighting that we see on a nightly basis either. We can talk about this all we want, the NHL loves it, they realize most like to see it and they realize the value of the MMA generation. Its not going anywhere.

I'm more concerned about head shots. Will eliminating the instigator rule help on that front? I'm willing to find out.
You lost me right there.
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All that talent on the ice, not playing an All-Star game = Best hockey EVAR!

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BTW - Bruce McNall was on radio up here this morning. I like that dude. Its no wonder he duped so many people, he's likeable.
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Originally Posted by dom
BTW - Bruce McNall was on radio up here this morning. I like that dude. Its no wonder he duped so many people, he's likeable.
Dude was a great owner.....but a shady businessman.
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Originally Posted by dom
All that talent on the ice, not playing an All-Star game = Best hockey EVAR!

Some of the most hockey I have ever seen has been Olympic hockey.

...bunch of soft Euros skating around, never touching/hitting anyone....meh.


Sure there are the diamond in the rough US V CAN gold medal matches.....and of course the greatest game ever USA V USSR, but otherwise it's pretty much a fest.
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^ I think that's what dom as alluding to. He's not talking about the figure-skating affairs between the Euro-teams.

You can still have a very physical contest without fighting. That's the point.


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