sipark

^^^
hello, Sonata!!!

biker

hello, repost.

Mokos23

hello blandness!

TMQ

Keyless start isn't a big deal for me. You still have to carry something with you. of course less likely for the key to leave a hole in the pocket.

the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.

If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.

Mokos23

that sucks, so if the key gets screwed up with the cell phone you're basically stuck.

LuvMyTSX

Exactly my thoughts, that's why I just don't see what all the hype is about.

F23A4

It was not for me neither.....until we leased our Murano two years ago. ....cannot say how many times I walked up to my 07 Accord, forgetting to take the key out of my pocket.

As for reliability, I do not know what has been occurring with the new Altima and G35 but our Murano's intelligent key has NEVER had a problem....and it is used daily. But in the event the FOB does get deactivated, there is an actual key inside the FOB that can be readily and easily removed for manual use.

biker

The keyless start thing (or lack thereof) is just another way Honda is staying conservative. I assume it will eventually be an option on the higher end models.

biker

Two things I noticed in this shot:

The passenger giving the thumbs up?

This car has disc brakes all around - could it be that even the lowly/volume LX model will finally ditch the drum brakes?

phile

Or it could just be the test mule wearing discs all around. Perhaps to evade spy photographers when necessary?

biker

It might be a test mule but considering how close we are to these things coming off the production line the configuration seen in that pic is very likely what you'll see in the showroom. Because of the wheels I assume that's an EX model but I still think maybe the all around disks might come all the way down to the LX.

Moog-Type-S

on the EX part. All the mirrors & door handles are body color as well...if it was an LX, they would be black...and the wheels would have covers.

F23A4

Maybe. There are a number of Honda Inspire bits that I wish my 07 Accord EX V6 included. Then again, such an Accord might establish itself as a direct competitor to the TL. Certainly a Honda no no.

F23A4

But the Honda Smart Key would be a nice start for the 8G (EX V6 at least).

yohan81718

that "push turn" looks ugly
i would rather use my switchblade keyfob

F23A4

I have the push/turn in my Murano but like the push button on the G35/Altima better. Then again, maybe the push/turn works better afterall.

Sly Raskal

iTrader: (1)

I sitll don't see the big deal about the push button technology.

What's so great about it?

Fewer components that can fail, i.e. keyed ignition?
Convenience factor?

yohan81718

^ definitely not a necessity.. but i wouldn't mind Honda or Acura putting it in their line. New technology always looks cool. It's like when the bluetooth headset first came out. You are talking on the phone, but the person next to you thinks you are talking to them or to yourself.

Also, regarding the failures, it's all due to lack of testing and releasing. I'm sure it's not a limitation of the feature, but just another corner case they didn't test.

Moog-Type-S

Think back when people first had remotes to unlock/lock their cars...and you did not. You thought "No big deal...my key works fine"......same goes for push-button/keyless start. Is it a necessity? No. ...but it is the future "standard" for automobiles. They will be keyless. Is it a nice feature? You bet

Honda should be at the forefront on this, but it appears they have taken the backseat to Nissan / Toyota leadership.

BTW....push to turn ignition is :ghey: If the mfg goes through all the trouble to be keyless...just take another simple small step and put a button for start/stop.

sipark

The wheels and the rim look very small.

Texas

Sorry but still do not get the button start bit...You still have to hands on the fob to open doors and down windows...correct? ?

True story, a friend of mine has a S-series Mer and the dog ate the FOB...had to follow the dog around for a day and had to put the dog in the front seat to start the car>>>

Would rather have remote start if we must add something.....Oh well, in five or ten years the key start will be hot and in.....lets talk torque and handling wants..

Mokos23

Japanese people always get the goodies.

Texas

Anyone know when the news embargo on the new Accord will be lifted? I saw something a while back on TOV but cannot find it now.

yohan81718

about the dog eating the fob, that has no relevance to the key being a smartkey or the button start... regular key fob/switchblade would have been worse since you cannot even start the car that way? everything has cons and pros... but your example doesn't fit well in this situation

Edward'TLS

Here is a scenerio I once asked for comments on the Audi A6 forum. The current generation A6 has the "Advanced Key" which is same as smartkey for others. The Audi system is that once you started the engine with the Advanced-Key in proximity, the engine keeps on running even though the Key out of range. After the car is parked, the door will automatically be locked as the driver walks away from the car.

So my question is that there arises a security risk situation as the driver (with the Key in his pocket) walks away with his back to the car, and before the Key goes out of range, a car thief sneak up into the car and drives it away. There is no way of stopping him, because the Key cannot stop the engine from running.

But if the Key can stop the engine from running, it'll be even more dangerous because what if you are driving fast on the highway and the Key battery suddenly runs low or malfunctions. In such case, the engine stalled and with complete loss of power-assist to the steering and brake, a crash is imminent.

Edward'TLS

In addition, having a thumb print identification security system is the quickest way to lose your thumb. Some time ago in Singapore, a guy had his thumb hacked off by car thieves because that's the only way to steal his supposingly unstealable Mercedes Benz equipped with state-of-the-art thumb print security system.

LuvMyTSX

Edward'TLS

It's just a matter of time before some bad guys start digging out live eyeballs to defect the Retinal Identificaton security systems.

Trackruner228

iTrader: (1)

Does anyone know when they are going to show pictures of the real car, and when is it going to be in showrooms?

Mokos23

probably be in showrooms by the end of August or beginning of September.

Trackruner228

iTrader: (1)

Thanks, wow if it comes out so soon you would think they would show us the car already?

mrdeeno

i think you are reading way too much into it...

first, being able to start the car while not yet in the car has been around for YEARS...it's called a remote start. And you can start your car by remote and walk away out of range, it'll still run.

second, it doesn't matter if it is audi's smart key, nissan's smart key, Acura's smart key, or GM's regular stick-it-in-the-ignition key...ANYBODY can walk away from a car with it still running with doors unlocked.

third, I don't think audi's engineers are stupid enough to program in a automatic stop. I would almost bet my life that you can turn the car on remotely, but like all systems I know, you MUST turn the car off manually before you leave the car (unless you want to keep the engine running, of course). I know of NO oem system that will automatically turn off the car for you if you walk away from it.

fourth, even if they did program in a remote stop on the fob (which I am sure they did not), they were smart enough to program in lockouts. For example, i tested this out on my m45...while at a red light, I pushed the start/stop button to see what it would do. It does nothing as it should. I did this also while driving (on an empty street at slow speeds of course), and it also did nothing. This is actually MORE safe than regular key ignitions...anybody with common sense would realize it is a seriously STUPID idea to turn off the ignition while moving/driving especially in an emergency because doing so locks the steering wheel, or at best kills the power steering. The only time the button will kill the ignition is if the car is in neutral or in park.

Texas

Anyone?

phile

I read September something...

Texas

^^^ the car should be out by then, we hope....hopefully the news embargo will lift sometime in July/Aug..???

alex2364

No one is going to know unless you have a inside source.

yohan81718

uhhhh what's the difference between (1) someone stealing your regular car key of regular car and (2) hijacking and hacking into the security system of smartkey??

why is this even an arguable topic? if it comes with it, it's cool. people can still live without it, so even if it's just a switchblade key, people won't complain much

Edward'TLS

You have completely missed my point. Smart-Key is not the same as remote start. Most reputable remote start system has a built-in security feature such that you still need to insert your key to drive away the already started car. Without the inserted key, either you cannot shift out of park or the engine stops when you hit the brake pedal. This is to prevent some thieves from driving away your car with the engine running when you're still comfortably inside your home waiting the car to warm up.

As for the Audi Advanced-Key, my scenario is like this. You parked the car and turned off the ignition. Then you exit the car, and shut the door. Then you began to walk away from the car (with the Key safely in your pocket) knowing that the doors would be locked up by themselves behind your back. At the same time, a car thief, who was obviously well aware of this security flaw, sneaked up to your car, quietly opened the driver door, slipped into the driver seat, and pushed the start button . . . Since you were walking, not running, away from the car, it gave the car thief a window of opportunity before the system locked the ignition and doors when the Key began to fade out of proximity. By the time you heard the engine started and you turned around in disbelief, there was nothing you could do (other than screaming like a mad man and calling the Police) all the while helplessly watching your car speeding away from you. So there is a serious security flaw with all these types of xxxxx-Key push start systems. This was my point.

mrdeeno

are you seriously just talking out your ass to find a flaw?

You are talking about SEPARATE functions with SEPARATE conditions in order to unlock, remote start, or manually start the car. You can't just blindly combine the functions and conditions and then scream "FLAW!"

to MANUALLY start the car with a smartkey, a SEPARATE sensor inside the car has to sense the fob is INSIDE the car to allow for starting.

to REMOTE start the car with a smartkey, the a SEPARATE sensor reads a SIGNAL from the fob to start the car remotely.

to automatically LOCK/UNLOCK, a SEPARATE sensor senses the proximity of the fob to lock or unlock the car doors.

How can the SEPARATE sensor that controls locking/unlocking the doors satisfy the condition that the fob is inside the car in order to start it? You can walk away from the car and a thief can get in before the doors lock, but he'll have a hell of a time trying to start it because the condition that a SEPARATE sensor does not sense the fob inside the car to allow for manually starting.

I can stand 1 foot from my door and lock/unlock the car door by pushing the button on the door, but I can stand 3" outside my car and the car WILL NOT start because a SEPARATE sensor does not sense the fob inside the car.


and after reading the above, i know you really don't have a grasp of how these systems work. The car's engine running does NOT depend on the keyfob or signal from the fob or anything else. You can start the engine and put the fob in the blender if you want, and it will STILL run. The only thing that the fob does is lock/unlock, remote start, or allow for manual start. But once the engine is started (or doors locked or unlocked), the fob does nothing more. If they built a "stop" command into the fob, it will STILL not do anything until the button is pressed, and I'm sure there would be lockouts to prevent stopping the engine while in drive.

Texas

Correct, but I was asking about the news embargo. Inside, TOV etc... have the info on the new Accord by now; like they had on the TL-S. I had seen something on TOV or some where about when the news embargo would be lifted and they can print but I cannot it find now. Thought it was some time in July???