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#1564
Pro
Keyless start isn't a big deal for me. You still have to carry something with you. of course less likely for the key to leave a hole in the pocket.
the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.
If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.
the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.
If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.
#1566
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by TMQ
Keyless start isn't a big deal for me. You still have to carry something with you. of course less likely for the key to leave a hole in the pocket.
the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.
If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.
the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.
If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.
#1567
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by TMQ
Keyless start isn't a big deal for me. You still have to carry something with you. of course less likely for the key to leave a hole in the pocket.
the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.
If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.
the new G35 has some problems with the key - when put next to a cell phone, the key got screwed up and you can't start the car.
If the technology isn't reliable, that only increases the headache and ownership cost.
As for reliability, I do not know what has been occurring with the new Altima and G35 but our Murano's intelligent key has NEVER had a problem....and it is used daily.
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#1568
Race Director
The keyless start thing (or lack thereof) is just another way Honda is staying conservative. I assume it will eventually be an option on the higher end models.
#1569
Race Director
Originally Posted by minkl81
![](https://images.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0705_06z+2008_honda_accord_sedan+side_view.jpg)
Two things I noticed in this shot:
The passenger giving the thumbs up?
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This car has disc brakes all around - could it be that even the lowly/volume LX model will finally ditch the drum brakes?
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#1570
Originally Posted by biker
This car has disc brakes all around - could it be that even the lowly/volume LX model will finally ditch the drum brakes? ![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
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#1571
Race Director
Originally Posted by phile
Or it could just be the test mule wearing discs all around. Perhaps to evade spy photographers when necessary?
#1572
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by biker
It might be a test mule but considering how close we are to these things coming off the production line the configuration seen in that pic is very likely what you'll see in the showroom. Because of the wheels I assume that's an EX model but I still think maybe the all around disks might come all the way down to the LX.
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#1573
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by biker
The keyless start thing (or lack thereof) is just another way Honda is staying conservative. I assume it will eventually be an option on the higher end models.
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#1574
Senior Moderator
But the Honda Smart Key would be a nice start for the 8G (EX V6 at least).
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#1576
Senior Moderator
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#1578
Safety Car
^ definitely not a necessity.. but i wouldn't mind Honda or Acura putting it in their line. New technology always looks cool. It's like when the bluetooth headset first came out. You are talking on the phone, but the person next to you thinks you are talking to them or to yourself.
Also, regarding the failures, it's all due to lack of testing and releasing. I'm sure it's not a limitation of the feature, but just another corner case they didn't test.
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Also, regarding the failures, it's all due to lack of testing and releasing. I'm sure it's not a limitation of the feature, but just another corner case they didn't test.
#1579
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
I sitll don't see the big deal about the push button technology.
What's so great about it?![Blink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/blink.gif)
Fewer components that can fail, i.e. keyed ignition?
Convenience factor?
What's so great about it?
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Fewer components that can fail, i.e. keyed ignition?
Convenience factor?
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Honda should be at the forefront on this, but it appears they have taken the backseat to Nissan / Toyota leadership.
BTW....push to turn ignition is :ghey: If the mfg goes through all the trouble to be keyless...just take another simple small step and put a button for start/stop.
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#1581
Sorry but still do not get the button start bit...You still have to hands on the fob to open doors and down windows...correct? ?
True story, a friend of mine has a S-series Mer and the dog ate the FOB...had to follow the dog around for a day and had to put the dog in the front seat to start the car>>>
Would rather have remote start if we must add something.....Oh well, in five or ten years the key start will be hot and in.....lets talk torque and handling wants..
True story, a friend of mine has a S-series Mer and the dog ate the FOB...had to follow the dog around for a day and had to put the dog in the front seat to start the car>>>
Would rather have remote start if we must add something.....Oh well, in five or ten years the key start will be hot and in.....lets talk torque and handling wants..
#1584
Safety Car
Originally Posted by Texas
Sorry but still do not get the button start bit...You still have to hands on the fob to open doors and down windows...correct? ?
True story, a friend of mine has a S-series Mer and the dog ate the FOB...had to follow the dog around for a day and had to put the dog in the front seat to start the car>>>
Would rather have remote start if we must add something.....Oh well, in five or ten years the key start will be hot and in.....lets talk torque and handling wants..
True story, a friend of mine has a S-series Mer and the dog ate the FOB...had to follow the dog around for a day and had to put the dog in the front seat to start the car>>>
Would rather have remote start if we must add something.....Oh well, in five or ten years the key start will be hot and in.....lets talk torque and handling wants..
#1585
6G TLX-S
Here is a scenerio I once asked for comments on the Audi A6 forum. The current generation A6 has the "Advanced Key" which is same as smartkey for others. The Audi system is that once you started the engine with the Advanced-Key in proximity, the engine keeps on running even though the Key out of range. After the car is parked, the door will automatically be locked as the driver walks away from the car.
So my question is that there arises a security risk situation as the driver (with the Key in his pocket) walks away with his back to the car, and before the Key goes out of range, a car thief sneak up into the car and drives it away. There is no way of stopping him, because the Key cannot stop the engine from running.
But if the Key can stop the engine from running, it'll be even more dangerous because what if you are driving fast on the highway and the Key battery suddenly runs low or malfunctions. In such case, the engine stalled and with complete loss of power-assist to the steering and brake, a crash is imminent.
So my question is that there arises a security risk situation as the driver (with the Key in his pocket) walks away with his back to the car, and before the Key goes out of range, a car thief sneak up into the car and drives it away. There is no way of stopping him, because the Key cannot stop the engine from running.
But if the Key can stop the engine from running, it'll be even more dangerous because what if you are driving fast on the highway and the Key battery suddenly runs low or malfunctions. In such case, the engine stalled and with complete loss of power-assist to the steering and brake, a crash is imminent.
#1586
6G TLX-S
In addition, having a thumb print identification security system is the quickest way to lose your thumb. Some time ago in Singapore, a guy had his thumb hacked off by car thieves because that's the only way to steal his supposingly unstealable Mercedes Benz equipped with state-of-the-art thumb print security system.
#1587
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
In addition, having a thumb print identification security system is the quickest way to lose your thumb. Some time ago in Singapore, a guy had his thumb hacked off by car thieves because that's the only way to steal his supposingly unstealable Mercedes Benz equipped with state-of-the-art thumb print security system.
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#1588
6G TLX-S
It's just a matter of time before some bad guys start digging out live eyeballs to defect the Retinal Identificaton security systems.
#1592
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Here is a scenerio I once asked for comments on the Audi A6 forum. The current generation A6 has the "Advanced Key" which is same as smartkey for others. The Audi system is that once you started the engine with the Advanced-Key in proximity, the engine keeps on running even though the Key out of range. After the car is parked, the door will automatically be locked as the driver walks away from the car.
So my question is that there arises a security risk situation as the driver (with the Key in his pocket) walks away with his back to the car, and before the Key goes out of range, a car thief sneak up into the car and drives it away. There is no way of stopping him, because the Key cannot stop the engine from running.
But if the Key can stop the engine from running, it'll be even more dangerous because what if you are driving fast on the highway and the Key battery suddenly runs low or malfunctions. In such case, the engine stalled and with complete loss of power-assist to the steering and brake, a crash is imminent.
So my question is that there arises a security risk situation as the driver (with the Key in his pocket) walks away with his back to the car, and before the Key goes out of range, a car thief sneak up into the car and drives it away. There is no way of stopping him, because the Key cannot stop the engine from running.
But if the Key can stop the engine from running, it'll be even more dangerous because what if you are driving fast on the highway and the Key battery suddenly runs low or malfunctions. In such case, the engine stalled and with complete loss of power-assist to the steering and brake, a crash is imminent.
first, being able to start the car while not yet in the car has been around for YEARS...it's called a remote start. And you can start your car by remote and walk away out of range, it'll still run.
second, it doesn't matter if it is audi's smart key, nissan's smart key, Acura's smart key, or GM's regular stick-it-in-the-ignition key...ANYBODY can walk away from a car with it still running with doors unlocked.
third, I don't think audi's engineers are stupid enough to program in a automatic stop. I would almost bet my life that you can turn the car on remotely, but like all systems I know, you MUST turn the car off manually before you leave the car (unless you want to keep the engine running, of course). I know of NO oem system that will automatically turn off the car for you if you walk away from it.
fourth, even if they did program in a remote stop on the fob (which I am sure they did not), they were smart enough to program in lockouts. For example, i tested this out on my m45...while at a red light, I pushed the start/stop button to see what it would do. It does nothing as it should. I did this also while driving (on an empty street at slow speeds of course), and it also did nothing. This is actually MORE safe than regular key ignitions...anybody with common sense would realize it is a seriously STUPID idea to turn off the ignition while moving/driving especially in an emergency because doing so locks the steering wheel, or at best kills the power steering. The only time the button will kill the ignition is if the car is in neutral or in park.
#1594
Originally Posted by Texas
Anyone?
#1597
Safety Car
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
It's just a matter of time before some bad guys start digging out live eyeballs to defect the Retinal Identificaton security systems.
why is this even an arguable topic? if it comes with it, it's cool. people can still live without it, so even if it's just a switchblade key, people won't complain much
#1598
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by mrdeeno
i think you are reading way too much into it...
first, being able to start the car while not yet in the car has been around for YEARS...it's called a remote start. And you can start your car by remote and walk away out of range, it'll still run.
second, it doesn't matter if it is audi's smart key, nissan's smart key, Acura's smart key, or GM's regular stick-it-in-the-ignition key...ANYBODY can walk away from a car with it still running with doors unlocked.
third, I don't think audi's engineers are stupid enough to program in a automatic stop. I would almost bet my life that you can turn the car on remotely, but like all systems I know, you MUST turn the car off manually before you leave the car (unless you want to keep the engine running, of course). I know of NO oem system that will automatically turn off the car for you if you walk away from it.
fourth, even if they did program in a remote stop on the fob (which I am sure they did not), they were smart enough to program in lockouts. For example, i tested this out on my m45...while at a red light, I pushed the start/stop button to see what it would do. It does nothing as it should. I did this also while driving (on an empty street at slow speeds of course), and it also did nothing. This is actually MORE safe than regular key ignitions...anybody with common sense would realize it is a seriously STUPID idea to turn off the ignition while moving/driving especially in an emergency because doing so locks the steering wheel, or at best kills the power steering. The only time the button will kill the ignition is if the car is in neutral or in park.
first, being able to start the car while not yet in the car has been around for YEARS...it's called a remote start. And you can start your car by remote and walk away out of range, it'll still run.
second, it doesn't matter if it is audi's smart key, nissan's smart key, Acura's smart key, or GM's regular stick-it-in-the-ignition key...ANYBODY can walk away from a car with it still running with doors unlocked.
third, I don't think audi's engineers are stupid enough to program in a automatic stop. I would almost bet my life that you can turn the car on remotely, but like all systems I know, you MUST turn the car off manually before you leave the car (unless you want to keep the engine running, of course). I know of NO oem system that will automatically turn off the car for you if you walk away from it.
fourth, even if they did program in a remote stop on the fob (which I am sure they did not), they were smart enough to program in lockouts. For example, i tested this out on my m45...while at a red light, I pushed the start/stop button to see what it would do. It does nothing as it should. I did this also while driving (on an empty street at slow speeds of course), and it also did nothing. This is actually MORE safe than regular key ignitions...anybody with common sense would realize it is a seriously STUPID idea to turn off the ignition while moving/driving especially in an emergency because doing so locks the steering wheel, or at best kills the power steering. The only time the button will kill the ignition is if the car is in neutral or in park.
You have completely missed my point. Smart-Key is not the same as remote start. Most reputable remote start system has a built-in security feature such that you still need to insert your key to drive away the already started car. Without the inserted key, either you cannot shift out of park or the engine stops when you hit the brake pedal. This is to prevent some thieves from driving away your car with the engine running when you're still comfortably inside your home waiting the car to warm up.
As for the Audi Advanced-Key, my scenario is like this. You parked the car and turned off the ignition. Then you exit the car, and shut the door. Then you began to walk away from the car (with the Key safely in your pocket) knowing that the doors would be locked up by themselves behind your back. At the same time, a car thief, who was obviously well aware of this security flaw, sneaked up to your car, quietly opened the driver door, slipped into the driver seat, and pushed the start button . . . Since you were walking, not running, away from the car, it gave the car thief a window of opportunity before the system locked the ignition and doors when the Key began to fade out of proximity. By the time you heard the engine started and you turned around in disbelief, there was nothing you could do (other than screaming like a mad man and calling the Police) all the while helplessly watching your car speeding away from you. So there is a serious security flaw with all these types of xxxxx-Key push start systems. This was my point.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
You have completely missed my point. Smart-Key is not the same as remote start. Most reputable remote start system has a built-in security feature such that you still need to insert your key to drive away the already started car. Without the inserted key, either you cannot shift out of park or the engine stops when you hit the brake pedal. This is to prevent some thieves from driving away your car with the engine running when you're still comfortably inside your home waiting the car to warm up.
As for the Audi Advanced-Key, my scenario is like this. You parked the car and turned off the ignition. Then you exit the car, and shut the door. Then you began to walk away from the car (with the Key safely in your pocket) knowing that the doors would be locked up by themselves behind your back. At the same time, a car thief, who was obviously well aware of this security flaw, sneaked up to your car, quietly opened the driver door, slipped into the driver seat, and pushed the start button . . . Since you were walking, not running, away from the car, it gave the car thief a window of opportunity before the system locked the ignition and doors when the Key began to fade out of proximity. By the time you heard the engine started and you turned around in disbelief, there was nothing you could do (other than screaming like a mad man and calling the Police) all the while helplessly watching your car speeding away from you. So there is a serious security flaw with all these types of xxxxx-Key push start systems. This was my point.
As for the Audi Advanced-Key, my scenario is like this. You parked the car and turned off the ignition. Then you exit the car, and shut the door. Then you began to walk away from the car (with the Key safely in your pocket) knowing that the doors would be locked up by themselves behind your back. At the same time, a car thief, who was obviously well aware of this security flaw, sneaked up to your car, quietly opened the driver door, slipped into the driver seat, and pushed the start button . . . Since you were walking, not running, away from the car, it gave the car thief a window of opportunity before the system locked the ignition and doors when the Key began to fade out of proximity. By the time you heard the engine started and you turned around in disbelief, there was nothing you could do (other than screaming like a mad man and calling the Police) all the while helplessly watching your car speeding away from you. So there is a serious security flaw with all these types of xxxxx-Key push start systems. This was my point.
You are talking about SEPARATE functions with SEPARATE conditions in order to unlock, remote start, or manually start the car. You can't just blindly combine the functions and conditions and then scream "FLAW!"
to MANUALLY start the car with a smartkey, a SEPARATE sensor inside the car has to sense the fob is INSIDE the car to allow for starting.
to REMOTE start the car with a smartkey, the a SEPARATE sensor reads a SIGNAL from the fob to start the car remotely.
to automatically LOCK/UNLOCK, a SEPARATE sensor senses the proximity of the fob to lock or unlock the car doors.
How can the SEPARATE sensor that controls locking/unlocking the doors satisfy the condition that the fob is inside the car in order to start it? You can walk away from the car and a thief can get in before the doors lock, but he'll have a hell of a time trying to start it because the condition that a SEPARATE sensor does not sense the fob inside the car to allow for manually starting.
I can stand 1 foot from my door and lock/unlock the car door by pushing the button on the door, but I can stand 3" outside my car and the car WILL NOT start because a SEPARATE sensor does not sense the fob inside the car.
But if the Key can stop the engine from running, it'll be even more dangerous because what if you are driving fast on the highway and the Key battery suddenly runs low or malfunctions. In such case, the engine stalled and with complete loss of power-assist to the steering and brake, a crash is imminent.
#1600
Originally Posted by alex2364
No one is going to know unless you have a inside source.