MADMAN187

a honda will be a honda..eventually played out.

TL CHROMETIDE

I saw the actual cars today at Honda's american HQ. I think the coupe is beautiful and the sedan is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Both cars look big and the interiors are really nice. I can't wait

mg7726

that's right

what kind of question is that? do you see cars getting smaller?? the sedan is 3 inches longer, and 300lbs heavier...sounds american to me.

TSX69

That new Toyota has like 340hp w/ FWD.

As for the whole wide-seats-4-America topic: that reminds of this article about Japanese automakers having to widen their seats for American cars: USA 2day

Mokos23

I don't think the TSX got wider seats

dom

So lemme get this straight....

the 190HP 2.4 gets 21/31 while the Altima 2.5 with far more torque gets 23/31.

The 3.5L with VCM gets 19/29 compared to the non VCM 19/28 (Camry) and 20/26 (Altima).
The non VCM V6 coupe numbers are apparently 19/26.

We should be impressed because?

mrdeeno

because it's a honda, and they do everything better, even when they don't

bulldawg

I think a lot of you guys are a bit confused about the coupes EPA estimates. Only the 6 speed manual doesn't have VCM. All V6 autos (sedan or coupe) have VCM. I know some of the web sites like edmunds are stating otherwise, but they are wrong according to the info from hondacars.com.

bulldawg

If you want to see for yourself, go to the Accord coupe in Future cars at hondacars.com. It clearly states what I just mentioned.

F23A4

I love that dashboard layout....makes the dash in my 07 EX-L seem cheezy.

GreenMonster

:ib4hondafanbois:

yohan81718

^ from the pics above, they continue the same keyfob from current gen into the new gen
wtf

Moog-Type-S

True, Honda's MPG #'s on the Accord are nothing to write home about....
Question: Did you get your Camry and Altima numbers from 07 or 08 model years?

dom

Pulled it all off TOV. But apparently the Camry and Altima have already corrected for the new way of measuring MPG.

bulldawg, I know only the 6MT V6 coupe is without VCM but thats really not the point. It has worse MPG than its competitor(s).

Moog-Type-S

Cool, that being the case Honda FTL.
Again Honda's VCM is a joke when it comes to real world fuel economy.
It's more gimick than substance.

Mokos23

It's ironic that a lot of past Accord buyers bought the car for fuel efficiency, but yet the competition like Toyota and Nissan have caught up and have better fuel efficient or about the same now as the Accord.

Belzebutt

I just noticed that.

No wireless FOB a-la Lexus/Toyota...

Black Tire

Belzebutt

Damn, why can't they all use english!

Infamous425

you should be impressed because honda matches the competitors numbers while using the same 5AT everyone complains about

dom

Still not impressed, sorry. And another strike against Honda.

LuvMyTSX

IMO, real world mpg will prove much more. What they say on paper is always different anyway. Each person drives differently and they're going to get different results. Who cares about 1 or 2 mpg on paper, anyway? Not a big deal.

dom

Sure. But marketing sells cars, not real world MPG figures that only get reported on Car forums that the majority of public don't see.

Imagine a car buyer looking over the Accord, Camry and Altima. They see more or less equal MPG, 5 speeds to 6 to that "really cool" CVT.

All I'm saying is that the Accord hasn't distanced itself enough from the competition. If a 6 speed would have returned 22/32, than guess what, they should have had a 6 speed ready to go. It is after all their bread and butter car.

phile

Oooh, I didn't notice it before, but the door pull seems to be the cheap painted plastic type, not the usual chrome. WTF Honda...

Moog-Type-S

6 speed AT should have been in this car.
Keyless Fob w/ push button start should have been in this car too.

Honda has to keep up with the competition.

...oh but Honda has VCM What a joke.

yohan81718

i don't like people quotting the whole picture.. but this one deserves one..
why can't they just dump JDM accord in US?
I've said I didn't like the new accord sedan... but this one looks amazing

WOW

dom

@ that chop.

Moog, we'll probably see the key less FOB w/start in 09 or 10. They have to save something for the MMC

biker

+1, the typical informed Accord buyer will know this - while the paper numbers will be close to each other, I bet the Accord real world numbers will beat the other two.

I have a feeling the 268HP paper number is just that - a paper number, just to match the Camry. In real life I'm sure Honda could easily get 300HP out of that engine. You know by the MMC the same engine will somehow make closer to 300HP with no apparent changes. This is typical during the redesign - give the market just enough at launch and keep some things in reserve for when the model ages.

I have to see it in person to make a judgment but the paper numbers seem to indicate an Accord version that I may have to skip (too big/heavy/fancy).

biker

They have - it's called the TSX.

F23A4

....old news already.

dom

I've wondered about this before. The new SAE standards were put in place to make manufactures accountable for those HP figures. So they can't overate their engines. But is it ok to underrate them? Is whomever at SAE ok with Honda or whomever rating an engine 10HP less than it should be?

And word at TOV was that the original Accord figure was 273 (early specs sheets reflect that as well apparently) but for what ever reason Honda changed it to 268. Was that changed by Honda's or the SAE?

F23A4

I cannot speak for the 4 cylinder models but, I doubt the VQ35DE and 2GR-FE are getting the fuel economy I get in my J30A5.

dom

^ Better than I average in my TSX 6MT (25-26)

Whats the breakdown of city/hwy? I'm at about 30/70.

F23A4

Thank you....and I have a 5AT.

50/50....I only drive at length on the weekends and it is about an equal mix.

Moog-Type-S

Honda: The road of life is full of curves, we will help you stay behind the curve.

Mokos23

yeah you guys are right, should've been a 6AT.

Infamous425

they should be ok with it because the bmw 335 is underrated by 25+ hp

unlemming

The Accord gets better mileage with a bigger car and a bigger engine, that's not bad in my book. Did you really expect them to defeat physics?

I like it, but I wish the EX-L wasn't going to cost as much as a current TL. Just means the TL is moving up more next year.

I guess the previous generation of Honda VCM didn't do very well on the heavy boxes it was in, but it's a bit early to call it a failure on the Accord, dontchathink?

phile

Has the weight been released? I think I read in one of the reviews that it's heavier than the Camry!

derrick

As for fuel economy of this Accord ... are we not forgetting that the '08 Accord is now a FULL SIZED car (106 cubic feet of interior room) ... so technically, we should be comparing fuel economy to that of the Avalon and Maxima, if we are comparing apples to apples.

However, since traditionally it's been Accord VS Camry (and now VS Altima) ... the new Accord underwhelms in fuel economy but does make a huge leap to meet the strictest California emissions standards. (PZD or something like that? )

I just want to see the car in person when it reaches dealerships locally.