SSFTSX

So you are essentially saying that all the dealears from Infiniti to Acura are asking unrealistic prices of RL but they are asking realistic prices of BMW 5, Lexus GS, MB E, Infiniti M. can you imagine how much is real trading values of these cars when asking is so low?
You will never find any RL depreciated more than any of its competitors for same model and miles in any dealer lot. 2009 is over and above every thing.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

You really need to stop drinking the Acura Kool-Aid.

I thought I put you on mute??

Ahhh, there we go.

silver3.5

hey, i'm selling my '98 maxima SE w/ 250K miles for $15K; it's on craigslist too, but just for you, i'll let it go for $8K. man, maximas hold their values better than RLs..... '98 RLs with similar miles can only go for roughly $4-5K...

SSFTSX

All these KBB values are clearly wrong. This car has 19inch rims, Push button.
$28K is asking. as they will be willing to settle from around $24 to $25k.
trading will be some where around $21-$22K. and M35 is pretty new model compared to 2004 RL that continued untill 2008 with 17inch and no push button,

SSFTSX

Yes when dealer put it on his lot even if its worth his trading time with all paper worka and detailing.

SSFTSX

this one is clearly an embrassing price from dealer.
have some one looked at the asking price of RSX-Type S?. 8 year old have only depreciated 40%.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/1894799160.html
2008 Infiniti M M35 Sedan 4D (only 16404 miles) - $28995 (Fremont)

biker

PW+1

Hapa DC5

What's it like to be proven wrong over and over again and constantly believe you are right and never listen to reason only yourself?

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Trolls like the attention.

fsttyms1

Asking price doesnt mean squat!!!! They could be asking 80k, doesnt mean they are going to get it. KBB is what the average is paying for them

fsttyms1

So when you buy your vehicles, you pay exactly whats on the sticker? You dont negotiate price

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Its an Acura, its worth it!!

Moog-Type-S

I remember when threads in Automotive news were about the cars......

mrdeeno

I think we should just start vapor-racing again. i wanna hear more about this tsx v6 with SH-AWD that handles better than an m3!

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

You just know if he had a "loyal" dealer he's giving him a complete shaft on every "deal".

mrdeeno

He's not worried about paying full sticker 'cuz Acura's resale values are the "greatest". He'll get it back when he sells his car on craigslist

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Fixed.

neuronbob

chungkopi

M stands for Magnificent according to SSFTSX.

SSFTSX

Your data is off. BMW 5 and Audi A6 weighs as much as RL if not more. similar is MB E Class and Infiniti M. they are all in same ball park in terms of weight.

fsttyms1

Truth hurts doesnt it. Just go look at BMWs site, i guess they are lying since the 5 series starts out at just a little over 3800lbs which makes the data correct!

chungkopi

not my data.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/16/c...k-status-from/


look at the difference between strength to weight ratio of E & RL. ouch...

mrdeeno

Dude, just give it up already...you only make yourself look more and more like a fool.

Costco

Really now.... if SSFTSX didn't have anyone to respond to or anyone responding to him, do you guys really think he'd just talk to himself?

What a waste of bandwidth.... normally I'd read everything in Auto News but now I find myself skimming over multiple posts when I read that someone quoted SSFTSX.

agranado

agreed. Im almost convinced someone is posting as him to fuck with different members and keep egging everyone on.

Auto news isnt as fun to come to that much these days with all the bullshit that goes on in here. Too bad too, a majority of the info here used to be insightful or at least factual. Every other post by that fucking clown is straight up bullshit and everyone knows it. and every other post that ISNT him is a RESPONSE to him. You'd think after a while he'd get the clue?

And where are the moderators while this is going on? Oh he hasn't offended anyone or gone and name called. He's insulting my (and every other member on this boards') intelligence with every post he makes, and wasting my time.

phile

^

SpicyMikey

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
- Mark Twain

SSFTSX

Never trust government clerks for data. 2011 BMW 5 is not going to weigh 3800 lbs even in RWD form let alone AWD. and without sport suspension there will be no handling. so it is not apple to apple comparision.

SpicyMikey

The explanation is simple and I know a bunch of you guys are just ITCHING to respond directly. But, you must resist. Do not be tempted by the forces of the Dark Side Luke.

SSFTSX

I am still trying to search that elusive 3800 lbs BMW 5 2011. and that is not even fully loaded with leather, Navigation etc.
All this plush interior contributes to weight as car is fully loaded from the start.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

As much as I want to, I made a bad decision and clicked View Post. So I have to reply to this one.

You question their sources then source Edmunds? Edmunds is riding Hondas dick just as much as Car and Driver is BMWs. Instead of taking someone elses personal standpoint on a vehicle, try to look at the actual specs and make an informed decision instead of repeating the same dry rhetoric that these "car pundits" state as "fact".

According to the BMW website, the 2011 535i Sedan comes in at 4,090lbs (automatic). Thats a whopping 7lbs heavier then the 2010 RL which is 4,083lbs. I chose the 535 as its the closest comparison to the RL, even though it performs better. And look at the weight distribution on it, its damn near perfect. But Im sure we cant trust the BMW USA site as laden with propaganda. The BMW truly weighs 6,943lbs and costs twice as much (according to your sources of course). Dont get me started on the ground clearance or those unsightly side view mirrors!

Might I interest you in a nice tall glass of this:



PS - Not one single 5 series comes with anything other then leather. Your information is invalid. Your posts are laughable. You reasoning is beyond questionable.

And back on mute you go.

SSFTSX

manufacturer weight calculation is done on base configuration and it is leatherate. seats are just not comfortable on RL scale for standard car.
Edmunds is right.
RL superior fit and finish enable it to have superior resale values. and those resale values are going to increase. compare 2005-2006 RL resale values with 2005-2006 BMW 5.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

fsttyms1

Why cant you admit when you are wrong. You keep posting useless information. and rebuttal with absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

chungkopi

anyway, I swear I saw Acura TV ads about they are the only automaker with entire lineup having the top safety rating... i honestly didn't know RL had a such a poor rating.. it's ok to be ugly, but it's not ok to be unsafe.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Do you honestly think the RL is bathed in supple swaths of fine leather? Heres a little tidbit, MOST OF THE "LEATHER" IN HONDA/ACURA PRODUCTS IS VINYL!!! The only parts that are leather are the main seating surfaces - aka everything between the bolsters. The door cards - vinyl. The back of the seats - vinyl. The armrest - you guessed it, vinyl. OH!!! Dont forget the faux "wood" trim. That really adds some class to any interior.



Once again, thats opinion and not fact.

And regarding your claims for better resale value, here are some screenshots of various appraisal websites. Vehicles chosen were a 2006 RL (w/o tech) and a 2006 BMW 530i. I didn't add a single option to either of these vehicles. And I used 50,000 miles for both of them.

KBB -





NADA -





Im sure you think KBB and NADA is biased so lets look at Edmunds since they are never wrong:





WHAT!! How does Edmunds say the 530i is worth more then the RL!?!?!?!? Blasphemy!!! That site must not be correct anymore. Lets move on to your next source that "supports" your claim that Honda is the Super-Best-Most-Awesomest-Carmaker-From-The-Land-Of-The-Rising-Sun.

SpicyMikey

Its true. OVERALL IIHS safety rating. Evidently the rollover test must not be the RL'ls strong point. To be honest, this particular subject makes me want to say "so what". Even if the guy who made the graph used the weight of a 528 instead of a 535, it's not a big issue to most people as a sedan is not likely to flip over

Colin

Let's get the facts straight. The Acura ads are talking about gov't crash test ratings. IIHS stands for " insurance institute for highway safety". This is a private entity. The RL receives full five stars in every gov't test, including resistance to roll over. In fact, the RL was the first vehicle in the history of gov't crash testing to achieve five stars on every test.

The IIHS introduced a new test for roof strength (in 2009) that says "To earn a good rating, the roof must withstand a force of four times the vehicle weight before reaching 5 inches of crush. This is called a strength-to-weight ratio. For an acceptable rating, the minimum required strength-to-weight ratio is 3.25. A marginal rating value is 2.5. Anything lower than that is poor."

So the RL, which hit the road in 2005 is expected to meet a new standard introduced four years after the car debuted and probably close to eight years from when work on the car began (at the design stages). Yet it can still withstand a crush of ~10,000 lbs.

So what is it going to be Acurazine? Shall we keep complaining about vehicle weight? Or complain about safety? Or maybe they should make the cars unobtanium and then we can complain about the cost?

SpicyMikey

^^ Thanks for pointing out the different ratings. I honestly don't think I ever made the distinction in my mind until now.

Regarding the test itself. Very true, its an old car and I had heard (before you mentioned it) that they had introduced a new standard for roof testing at IIHS. As i said before, for me, its just not something to focus on too much. The RL has so many other things to whine about why bother with this

Legend2TL

Pretty sure all the wood interior trim on the RL is real and last time I looked at a 2010 RL in the showroom the armrest looked like real leather.