SpicyMikey

Interesting article. So the TL held it's own very well against the S4. Not sure if that says more about the TL or the S4! I wouldn't want to have been the owner of an S4 reading that article. Thats a hell of a premium for not much more. Even the grill situation isn't much better. Trading one offensive grill for another IMO

krio

It's a TL thread?

phile

^why not? it's gone way off topic before.

docboy

Off topic, the S4 is a good looking car, save the grill that IMHO looks like Darth Vader. Not sure which one is better, Vader or the proboscis nose, though the internet and AZ public generally seems to be more accepting of Audi's monstrosity over Acura's.

On topic, the article just kind of stamps the foot on the RL. Why spend $50k+ on a RL Tech when the TL Tech can be had for $43k, and the TL 6MT is arguably Acura's best performance vehicle thus far?

neuronbob

Apparently.

fsttyms1

The TL is overpriced the way it is. If it hits 50k id never look at the brand again.

I guess Ferrari did it all wrong, because they use 20" wheels. I guess their cars dont handle good

SpicyMikey

I hate to sound like I keep defending the TL, but why do you say it's overpriced? I got a 2010 TL Tech fwd with 18" wheels and a few other accessories in July for $35k. Say what you want about it's grill, it's rear end, etc. But for the size, quality, and features, I'd like you to find many cars (if any) that offer more value. If you have one, give us an example of what you mean.

Personally, I think the G37 comes the closest but it's interior isn't quite as nice IMO or as large. But that ones debatable I agree.

The IS350 seems overpriced to me for what you get. The IS250 is in the price range with the TL but it's WAY underpowered compared to the TL and has less tech than the TL. So unless you REALLY value RWD, it's a much worse value. I speak from experience on this one because I bought a 2009 IS250 for one of my daughters last year and I've driven it many times and twice on a 1+ hr trip. Trust me, it's crap for the price. If you lived with both the TL and IS you wouldn't be saying the TL is overpriced.

And if the TL is overpriced, then what isn't? A 335? An A4? Hmmmm, now theres some real value. Personally, I really can't think of anything much better valued unless you drop down into the high volume brands (Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc.) Down there there are some good cars that come CLOSE to the TL but not really close enough and the dealership experience will be far substandard to what you will get from the step-up brands.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. Time to rename this thread?

fsttyms1

There is no need to defend it. Every one has their own opinions. That is mine.
And, I should have said fully loaded. Acura just isnt the Value car they used to be to me. New they have moved out of the price range for me of what id be willing to pay. I looked at one (the only one i would ever consider, the 6 speed) and with every thing it had on it it was just 1200 shy of 50k. For that kind of money id get a CTS-V (used VERY low mileage)

SSFTSX

There are two possiblities that are going to happen in next one or two years. RL will go either upmarket or discontinued.
so there is space for TL to go towards the $50K mark with MMC and possbily Type-S model. after all BMW 5 starts at $44k and ends up at $80K.
There is nothing wrong with TL starting at $35K and ending up at $50K. It would still be bargain for its performance, space,comfort, handling, tech featurres, resale value and reliability.

Ferrari can have 26inch rims. it does not matter as its main function is not refinement and comfort.

look at C&D Midsize comparision test. M37 cost $60k loaded. and handles like $20k Honda Accord family sedan with sound level not of $60k car.
Even with 7speed Auto its fuel economy is not better than 5speed TL-SH-AWD in long range test. even the braking performance is below average. This is called overpriced and under achiever for its class.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...0ed856746b.pdf

oonowindoo

havent seen this many Magazine racers since 2001....

i have seen so many TL AWD on the track cuz they are faster than 335 and G37 and 370Z...

Hapa DC5

SSFTSX is the magazine racer for the 21st century....

tmnhs81

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

krio

I can say that SSFTSX NEVER seems to notice being the object on this thread of critics and mockeries from many.
He continues all the time, every day, on his solitary road with his strange assertions (maybe he is a robot?) and nothing seems really to bother him.

Shift_Acura

Well atleast he's talking about cars and not getting personal

biker

I see the PWin coninues unabated. Let's see how long we can keep this up.

SpicyMikey

Yep. One of two possibilities with SSFTSX. He's either messing with all you guys and you are falling for it, or he truly believes what he believes and is just stating his opinion.

Either way, he doesn't give in to heckling, he explains his reasoning, and he doesn't get personal. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people on here. Spewing out clever one liners all day long that add nothing to the discussion. Those are the people that annoy me more and some of them are moderators . For me, SSFTSX is easy to deal with. I can read his argument, agree or dismiss it, and move on.

EDIT: Myself included. I try not to spew out one liners without explaining myself, but, I have had less control over my emotions than SSFTSX and have gotten personal at times. Hats off to you SSFTSX. You're a better man than me regardless of whether I share your opinions.

smarty666

^ what is even more annoying is the people who complain about the people complaining about SSFTSX and people like me who point out the people who are complaining about the complainers who complain about SSFTSX!

you see how complicated it gets

I just kid man!

SpicyMikey

That makes more sense now. I can understand and agree with that. When you simply posted: "The TL is overpriced the way it is" I assumed you were talking about average value for the average car buyer. That I have a hard time buying.

To me you are obviously not the average car buyer and probably NOT a 4G TL buyer. I realize they sell it with a 6MT and HP tires, but that's probably for a very very small percentage of loyal Acura customers who just MUST have an Acura. Its probably not the best choice if you want more of a sports car mostly for weekend spirited driving. I'd take a 335 any day. Every car has it's sweet spot. This cars sweet spot is the FWD Tech version. That's what they will sell most of because the majority attracted to that car will be looking for a sporty LOOKING car but one that is actually not so sporty and instead comfortable and upscale for daily commuting on highways with an AT transmission

SpicyMikey

I guess that would be us

Hapa DC5

Just a fob with nothing better to do.
Very true and I think that's what gets to members as he shows no emotion just mindless robotic monotone posts.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Which is why getting rid of the root of the problem (you know who) would fix that.

Duhhhh....

fsttyms1

like i said i should have said fully loaded.

IF the looks were different and they offered a better engine i "Might" look at the 4g. But they dont so i wont...

The wife on the other hand likes it. I think i need to get her some glasses.

SpicyMikey

Forget it buddy. It's a guy/girl thing, their priorities are very different, and you're not going to win. You'll want to know how many cylinders it has, your wife probably wants to know how many air bags it has. First thing you are going to reach for when you first sit in a car is the stick to check its position and feel. First thing you're wife is going to reach for is the visor to check the vanity mirror and if it has a light

Hapa DC5

^ that sounds like us when we went to Infiniti to look at the G lol

fsttyms1

Actually she just wants to know if the kid seat will fit in the middle (which it wont with me in the car, not many cars would with me either)
I have my criteria of what "she" needs in a car (she doesnt care about air bags and crash ratings, she has no clue and leaves that up to me. After all, She rides in my TL with no air bags. I like the TL's SH-AWD and the looks of the interior but thats about it. I dont even remember how well i fit in it, thats how little time i spent with the car.
In the end she will probably end up with the A8 or Q7 as thats what I will buy her.

Hapa DC5

A8? Damn baller unless you're grabbing something used.

black label

The TL is over priced and you're considering an A8? I'm not saying they are comparable in any way but A8's drop value faster than any car I know of. They are a good deal in the used market but I would never consider a 80K+ that sells in the low 20's when they are 5 years old. In 5 years a TL didn't cost you $10K+ per year in depreciation.

Yumcha

Mmm...A8.

fsttyms1

used low mileage can be had for a reasonable price

I would never look at one new. Used yes. As for resale i dont care a whole lot. In the 5 years i would most likely own it i would probably put 100k miles on it.

I would love to get another acura, but they have NOTHING that fits my tastes or needs. TL, No, the styling is just to hard to get past. Not to mention i am still sour about the trans problems on the 2g. MDX LOVE IT, Liked the way it rode, and looked (the grill could use some work but its not as bad as the TL) BUT its useless in size. I swear my TL has a larger back seat. With me driving the MDX a kid would have a hard time sitting behind me. WTF. Not to mention the rear facing car seat only fits back there with a 13 year old driving) RL, NO (though our dealer has one that has been sitting there so long they have knocked 10k off the sticker to help get rid of it) The rest of the lineup, No, dont really fit in the rest of them. (another WTF, who are they building these things for MIDGETS?)

I spent the last day looking at vehicles and test driving as my TL is in need of repair "again" and the wife needs a new vehicle as well. Sadly Im torn between the Genesis sedan, Buick Enclave and Q7 (A8 if i can find one in the color the wife likes and for the right price)

AsianRage

Seriously, can we close this thread already and open it when actual news get posted? Every day I check this thread, and there's no news to read, just cantankerous opinions about dead horses. Moving on.

Oh wait, there's a discussion about the A8? Hang on, anyone like the new A8 design? Seems to me that it's suffering from early onset of sad face disease.

AsianRage

My wife loves the curvy Enclave and the luxurious Q7. You can't lose with either. Though I would prolly go with the Enclave for longevity in the reliability department.

fsttyms1

And is why im looking at it.

AsianRage

At the Enclave? Do you know if there's a way to order the car with the color matched lower cladding? Seems like two tone is the only option for the car.

fsttyms1

Yes. The Enclave. I think its only 2 tone. I thought about that myself. Though its something i could remedy in a weekend in my garage for about 200 bucks and my spray gun

AsianRage

Yes, and you're the one who converted your autotragic TL into a manual one, right?

I honestly wouldn't mind having a two-tone delete option with the Enclave.

fsttyms1

Legend2TL

It's morphed into a Buick Enclave thread now

AsianRage

Speaking of color, I want the same shade that was on the concept/car show version. That's a gorgeous shade on the car. That and the White Diamond Tricoat.

krio