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Old 06-12-2008, 02:19 PM
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LOL, everyone's foaming at the mouth over this bombshell.
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God... this has been repeated so many times on these forums. Its like the only argument 3g TL owners have against Lexus IS350 owners. I don't want to open a different can of worms on this thread, so I'll agree with you that it was simply one test.
It's getting just as old as people saying that the IS350 is better handling than the TL-S because the IS is RWD and the TL is FWD. The sooner that people deal with the fact that the slower, heavier, FWD TL-S out-handles the faster, lighter, RWD IS350, the sooner people will stop repeating the results. Yes, it is one test, but it was the most conclusive test possible between the two cars and the results IMO are more valid than any of these other major auto publications. Same day, time, track and driver. The major magazines usually do it on the same track with all cars on at the same time with all different drivers, which in turn reduces the validity of the results. Again, it is only one test, but I can't seem to find any other better or equal published example of an IS350 vs a TL-S on a track.
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2009 Acura RL Full Test

In Search of Style
By Albert Austria, Senior Vehicle Evaluation Engineer
Date posted: 10-15-2008


Enter the refreshed 2009 Acura RL CMBS and you'll find a tasteful luxury environment, class-leading telematics and a host of driver-assist systems like CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System). Drive it and you'll be even more impressed, as the 2009 RL also has great dynamic qualities thanks to a new, free-revving 300-horsepower 3.7-liter V6, high-tech all-wheel drive and a superb balance between ride and handling.

But in the luxury segment, styling more than anything is what moves cars off the showroom floor, and that's where the RL falls on its buck-toothed face.

Acura's styling recently took a metaphorical turn into oncoming traffic with the MDX and TSX, and the whole big-and-bold grille thing has done the new RL no favors. Fang-face is not exactly an endearing descriptor.

And it's a shame, because not only does the 2009 Acura RL have a nice, luxurious interior, but also a few qualities that make it feel downright racy. The new RL is a Super Accord no more, yet it still lacks style, which is the very thing its competition does best.

Take It to the Limit
We're not accustomed to talking about power where the RL is concerned, but there's a new 3.7-liter V6 under the new car's hood and it does not disappoint. Aside from the increase in displacement to 3.7 liters from 3.5 liters, the new V6 has Honda's VTEC variable valve timing for intake and exhaust valves.

It's rated at 300 hp at 6,300 rpm, the kind of peak power you expect from an Acura engine. Torque is rated at 271 pound-feet at 5,000 rpm, which leads you to think that this engine will lack low-end power just like so many other Honda V6s, but it pulls strongly from the bottom end right on up to the redline at 6,800 rpm. The transmission plays a role here, as it doesn't try to shift into top gear every second for the sake of improved fuel economy.

This five-speed automatic's ratios are well spaced (though five speeds aren't many in an era when luxury cars have seven and even eight speeds), and the engine spins freely as you flick up through the gears using the shift paddles on the steering wheel. If you leave it in Sport mode, the transmission will hold each gear all the way to redline. It's fun to spin the engine up to the 6,800-rpm rev limit in every gear, focusing on the cartoonish tach that looks as if it were lifted off a Civic, and listening to the racy engine growl and exhaust note. You wouldn't do this with any of the RL's luxury competitors; what would be the point?

But the feeling of quick acceleration isn't supported by the test track numbers, where the 2009 Acura RL recorded a 0-60-mph time of 7.2 seconds (6.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip), and 15.3 seconds at 92.8 mph for the quarter-mile. For comparison, the 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 accelerates to 60 mph in 6.3 seconds (6.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and does the quarter-mile in 14.6 seconds at 95.6 mph.

Shod With SH-AWD
The RL is equipped with Acura's sophisticated Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD) system; there's no front- or rear-drive version. The system continuously varies the amount of engine torque distributed between the front and rear wheels, an obvious performance advantage in slippery conditions. The SH-AWD system also has a torque vectoring component that overdrives the outside rear wheel at a faster speed to generate a yaw moment, which helps rotate the vehicle sufficiently in a corner to reduce understeer.

We didn't get to experience the benefits of AWD in any low-traction circumstances here in sunny SoCal, though it's surely an advantage out there in real America, especially during the winter. Even so, we couldn't find a discernible advantage with SH-AWD in the dry.

The 2009 Acura RL seems as if it has a fairly neutral balance in the corners during normal driving, and feels quicker than its weight and size would suggest, but it does understeer as you push harder. At the track, the RL posts a very good slalom run of 64.1 mph, although it doesn't really like quick transitions. Our test driver found it best to enter the slalom at moderate speed and then gradually apply more throttle through to the finish. The RL posts a respectable 0.82g on the skid pad.

Putting Your Foot Through the Floor
The brake performance proves a bit mixed. During everyday driving, the brakes had good control with a firm feel and a short stroke, and decent stopping distances. But the track was a different story.

Although the RL stopped in 131 feet from 60 mph, there was severe fade on the third attempt as the pedal went to the floor without even any ABS pulsing. For comparison, the 2009 Genesis V6 came to a stop in 117 feet.

Braking performance seems to be an issue with Acura, as the 2009 TSX also exhibited dramatic fade, and the pads were smoking by the third stop.

Open the Pod Bay Doors, HAL
Acura continues the march toward autonomous driving with its Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS), its own trim level within the 2009 Acura RL line. CMBS uses millimeter-wave radar mounted inside the front grille to detect vehicles ahead, monitor potential rear-end collisions, warn the driver and initiate automatic braking.

CMBS has three operating modes. If you're following another vehicle too closely and the RL determines a collision is possible, a big visual alert in the bottom of the speedometer dial flashes "BRAKE," along with auditory beeps. If you do not slow down, the CMBS will tug at the driver's seatbelt and begin light braking. If CMBS determines that a frontal collision is unavoidable, the slack in the front seatbelts will be taken up and strong brake force will be automatically applied.

Tailgaters can rejoice, because there is a CMBS defeat switch just below the tachometer. But when you rear-end another car on the freeway, just remember to turn the CMBS back on before the Highway Patrol and your insurance adjuster arrive.

CMBS also includes the increasingly common adaptive cruise control (ACC), which uses the millimeter-wave radar to adjust speed and distance to the preceding vehicle. When driving the RL on the highway, you may not ever have to touch the pedals, but please do anyway.

The Enemy From Within
When Acura first entered the market as the pioneer of the Japanese luxury car segment ahead of Lexus and Infiniti, it positioned itself as Japan's answer to BMW, a driver's luxury car, only with reliability added to the equation. But as Acura trailed in the wake of Lexus, the Honda luxury division shifted its focus to advanced technology and electronics. Yet this hasn't improved RL sales, as the company moved just 6,262 examples in 2007.

While we think the 2009 Acura RL is really accomplished in terms of dynamic performance, it still occupies the bottom rung of the luxury car ladder in terms of style and panache. Styling has become increasingly important in all car segments — even determining many engineering decisions during the design phase — but it's critically important in the luxury class. Acura has tried to turn the RL around with more aggressive styling, but it comes off looking like a TSX nose grafted onto an Accord with a body kit.

The greatest threat to the success of the 2009 Acura RL comes internally from Acura: the 2009 Acura TL. The TL is very similar in dimensions and weighs a few hundred pounds less. The TL SH-AWD has the same engine as the RL (making slightly more horsepower) and the same SH-AWD drivetrain and is available with nearly all the advanced telematics as the RL. The only things missing are wood trim and CMBS. You get all this for $10,000 less than the RL.

Despite this makeover, the big story will be the styling and design of the next RL. Will it look great and feature a V8 and rear-wheel drive? Acura needs to make a game-changing shift in strategy, because we're not doubling down our bet on the new RL's success.
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Despite this makeover, the big story will be the styling and design of the next RL. Will it look great and feature a V8 and rear-wheel drive? Acura needs to make a game-changing shift in strategy, because we're not doubling down our bet on the new RL's success.
Old 10-17-2008, 10:50 AM
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^^ I remember reading that quote about 4 years ago
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i hope we won't see it again in 4 years.
Old 10-17-2008, 11:26 AM
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^^^ enjoy your ugly FWD V6 :wink:
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Fang-face

Poor RL

If it weren't for the grille, it actually wouldn't be a bad looking car. Here's hoping the next generation will be designed a bit better.
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
Fang-face

Poor RL

If it weren't for the grille, it actually wouldn't be a bad looking car. Here's hoping the next generation will be designed a bit better.
and the wheels.

but yea. at least the TL is just the waist of a nice interior.

the RL is a waste of a nice interior and a rear.

i guess you can say the RL is a butter face.
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im kinda surprised that ive seen a couple of them on the road.
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^ I actually saw one on the road a few weeks ago too. At first I thought it was the TL...the OLD TL. The power plenum grille doesn't really stand out on the RFail as much as it does on the TL.
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the rear of the RL now looks amazing i think, actually everything but the front end is extremely appealing. If it had alittle more power iwhi. actually with the price of 05-06s i just may when i get outa my underrgrad
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Sigh. I drove a 2009 during the summer. I simply can't get past the styling. It's really too bad, because other than the front styling, it's really the best Acura ever.

This is why my next car won't be an Acura....they simply won't admit that their new styling direction sucks.
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You know what else sucks? The 09's interior is EXACTLY what I had hoped the RL's interior would have looked like for the refresh. Wood on the center console, wood on the steering wheel. I love it. Best Acura interior ever.
Old 10-18-2008, 01:32 AM
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I bet Acura deliberately mess up the front style of the new TL so that it won't steal sales from the already doomed RL.

Acura didn't mess up the fronts on the MDX nor the TSX nor the CSX, just because none of them can threaten the RL. I can bet that when the 2010 V8 RWD RL finally comes out, then Acura will give back the TL an attractive signature grille.
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lol...I think a lot of people were complaining about the grilles on the MDX and TSX back then when they were first introduced...they just grew on people. May be the TL is just even more ugly than the TSX an MDX..lol...
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/16/r...y-discontinue/

Word coming from Japan's Nikkei business daily (as reported by Reuters) indicates that Honda has finally decided to discontinue the slow selling Acura RL and its Japanese market counterpart, the Honda Legend.

Ostensibly the flagship of Acura's brand here in North America, the RL has been a slow-seller for quite some time, upstaged in part by the company's less-expensive, higher-volume TL sedan. For some years now, the TL has offered more space, similar tech and even more power (in the Type S model), making the RL a particularly tough sell for dealers. Through the first half of this year, only 872 RLs have been sold in the United States.

Another production change reported by the Nikke that would only affect the Japanese market is the discontinuation of conventional gasoline versions of the Civic. If accurate, that would mean that from now until at least until the next-generation Civic arrives in the Fall of 2011, Honda will only sell the Civic hybrid in its home market.

In addition, the JDM Elysion minivan is also apparently set to get the axe.

Autoblog reached out to Honda for comment on the Nikkei story, and spokesman Chuck Schifsky would only say that the automaker does not comment on future product plans, noting that no official announcement has been made about the fate of the RL/Legend, the JDM Civic or the Elysion. Top tip, Joaquin!
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Not surprising, the 2G RL always reminds me of the NSX potential customer perceptions. Nice cars, but never achieved market penetration. What a shame, the early 2G RL's look classy to me before the MMC facelift.
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Acura recently unveiled a revised version of its flagship RL sedan, but production of the rage-topper could be coming to an end.

According to the latest reports out of Japan, Honda is planning to end global production of its Honda Legend model, which is sold in the United States as the Acura RL. The RL has stood as Acura’s range-topper since 1996.

Although exact details of the plan were not revealed, Honda is said to be axing the Legend to focus on more efficient and less expensive models. As part of that initiative, Honda will reportedly only sell a hybrid version of its next-generation Civic model in the Japanese market.

While the current version of the RL may be coming to an end, it doesn’t necessarily mean an end to the nameplate. Rumors of a true Acura flagship have been circling for years, with the death of the current RL potentially opening the door for that vehicle. We’ll have to wait and see if such a vehicle ever comes to fruition, but that wait could be a few years – previous reports suggested Acura’s next-generation flagship wouldn’t bow until 2015.
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wow honda, what are you doing..?
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was Honda waiting till the sales were below 100/mo before doing this

The bigger problem now is that the TL is the top of the line sedan for Acura.
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Come to think of it the MY11 plans must have been made some time ago - Honda pulled the plug a while ago, we just didn't know it.
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yeah but the RL isn't as important to honda as the worldwide legend right?

does anyone know the worldwide sales figure for the legend? (not RL)
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I agree with others over in the RL forum that this may not be bad news. It certainly indicates change may be coming to the RL, but most agree the status quo is a dead end for this car, so change (in whatever form) seems to be good news. If they took this car in the direction of a LS or 7 competitor, it would not be sold in Japan anyway. It wouldn't even be a serious product for Europe. So, anouncing the discontinuation of it in Japan could be the first indication of an upmarket RL in the next generation for the U.S. Acura brand.

By the way, the blogosphere's mention of the RL also being killed sounds like an extrapolation of the facts - i.e. a guess. I wouldn't put much weight in that yet. I could be wrong but everything official seems to only talk about the Honda legend <!-- / message -->
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Supposedly the clean diesel is getting the axe as well

Honda Motor Co has reportedly abandoned plans to build a new micro-car factory and develop a clean diesel engine in favour of focusing more heavily on hybrids and other green vehicles, according to Japan’s Nikkei Business Daily.

The report said Honda was planning to develop a new hybrid system to improve the efficiency of its larger vehicles, with production at the Yorii factory likely to begin in 2013.

Construction of the Yorii plant has already been completed at a cost of 113 billion yen ($1.5 billion) with an annual capacity of 200,000 vehicles.

Honda CEO, Takanobu Ito, is known to be determined to step up Honda’s production of hybrid vehicles and will announce the company’s medium-term strategy at a press conference early next week.

The report also suggested that Honda had plans to restructure its product line by dropping the Legend and Elysion models and placing a greater emphasis on low-priced cars for emerging markets like India.

The all-new Civic – due to be released in the first half of 2011 – would also be sold purely as a hybrid vehicle in Japan according to Nikkei.
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Honda CEO, Takanobu Ito, is known to be determined to step up Honda’s production of hybrid vehicles and will announce the company’s medium-term strategy at a press conference early next week.
Right, cause the Insight is selling so well.
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Right, cause the Insight is selling so well.
More proof they have blinders on to what the public actually wants.
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And soon this will be the TL as the TSX takes over then Acura will be left with just the one car
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There might be some truth to this. I just went onto Acura's site and even the exterior color choices have been trimmed down to three or four (all whites, grey/silver, blacks).
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
And soon this will be the TL as the TSX takes over then Acura will be left with just the one car
Or Honda could just follow Hyundai (still sounds weird saying that) and just integrate Acura back into Honda with some halo products.

Maybe that's the Sensible Luxury they need.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
More proof they have blinders on to what the public actually wants.
u move so fast lol
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And soon this will be the TL as the TSX takes over then Acura will be left with just the one car
With the lack of choices from acura i'm not surprised if they'll keep cutting models. I seriously dont' understand why they dont' just cut acura completely and just offer higher (luxurious) packages on the current hondas which already have lots of mainstream cars and also a number of niche vehicles.

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Perhaps killing the brand would be the way to go.

All that they have really is the TSX....and it's a glorified Accord.
...and the MDX..yea sure
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Still sifting through this thread and the latest news, but honestly if the TL is top dog Acura will be taken even less seriously as a luxury brand unless they move the TL much further upscale or maybe htey are happy with just the entry luxury segment. Infiniti went through this witht he Q, but quickly brought the M into that slot, but even Infiniti struggles with the lack of a real high end luxry car. My guess is Infiniti is seeing how all the upscale improvements to the new M do and then will decide if it is worth doing a Q replacement. Even Hyundai is looking to push their top end with Equus. Maybe the 5G TL goes up another nothch and works itself into the 50K segment and the TES will occupy the upper 30's and low 40's and the suppoed Civic rebrand will carry the upper 20's low 30's. I guess that can work except a rebranded Civic (al la CSX in Canada) looks too much like the Civic (which are a dime a dozen on the road) that I don't think it will do well in the states, Rememebr the original Infiniti G20, never sold well becasue it was perceived as a compact economy car.
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I guess that can work except a rebranded Civic (al la CSX in Canada) looks too much like the Civic (which are a dime a dozen on the road) that I don't think it will do well in the states,

Ahhh, but add SH-AWD and it will be an A3 killer.


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