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04-27-2004, 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by soopa
Why not?
The RL is targetting the GS, plenty of people have raced GS's. I wouldnt do it. But some do.
Why not?
The RL is targetting the GS, plenty of people have raced GS's. I wouldnt do it. But some do.
the bottom line is this will crush the competition for awhile and there will be plenty of haters/doubters but the numbers will not lie. I'm just counting the days till they throw this in every single car honda/acura sells like how subi's put awd on all cars, audi's have quattro option on most cars.
At this price range, sporty does not really come into play. It's about luxury, smoothness, quiet, and BRAND. Will people pay for a 50k Acura????? We will see. For every modded GS/5/E, you have 1,000 that are leased or not touched by the owner.
They didn't when the NSX was 60k 14 years ago let alone today, 90k.
04-27-2004, 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
We'll see. If the RL costs 45-50k, with solid mods (an easy 10k) we are looking at RL owners spending 60k total on this car. I don't think it will happen. I think this car will be marketed sporty but it will be bought by people who don't mod cars.
We'll see. If the RL costs 45-50k, with solid mods (an easy 10k) we are looking at RL owners spending 60k total on this car. I don't think it will happen. I think this car will be marketed sporty but it will be bought by people who don't mod cars.
Hopefully if they nail the suspension right, then the only thing I will have to touch is cosmetic stuff like Rims, Tint & Audio upgrades.
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04-27-2004, 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
We'll see. If the RL costs 45-50k, with solid mods (an easy 10k) we are looking at RL owners spending 60k total on this car. I don't think it will happen. I think this car will be marketed sporty but it will be bought by people who don't mod cars. They want a solid, quality, luxury filled Acura.
We'll see. If the RL costs 45-50k, with solid mods (an easy 10k) we are looking at RL owners spending 60k total on this car. I don't think it will happen. I think this car will be marketed sporty but it will be bought by people who don't mod cars. They want a solid, quality, luxury filled Acura.
Many a man will think the same of the cheaper RL.
Just as many people here think the CL is a race car, there are identical people with deeper pockets who will buy the RL.
I dont know if you have seen this car in person yet, but its not BIG at all. It looks like a sporty sedan... compareable to a 5 series and even similar to the new TL in presence.
Now if the 5-series and the GS can be sporty why cant a RL?
04-27-2004, 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
At this price range, sporty does not really come into play. It's about luxury, smoothness, quiet, and BRAND. Will people pay for a 50k Acura????? We will see. For every modded GS/5/E, you have 1,000 that are leased or not touched by the owner.
They didn't when the NSX was 60k 14 years ago let alone today, 90k.
At this price range, sporty does not really come into play. It's about luxury, smoothness, quiet, and BRAND. Will people pay for a 50k Acura????? We will see. For every modded GS/5/E, you have 1,000 that are leased or not touched by the owner.
They didn't when the NSX was 60k 14 years ago let alone today, 90k.
we dont even know everything the production car will have yet
04-27-2004, 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by soopa
Now if the 5-series and the GS can be sporty why cant a RL?
Now if the 5-series and the GS can be sporty why cant a RL?
04-27-2004, 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Crush???? U can't be serious. THis car is a very solid effort but crush????
Crush???? U can't be serious. THis car is a very solid effort but crush????
04-27-2004, 04:02 PM
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Okay, okay. IMHO, this RL has great potential, but it does come with a handicap (FWD) to a segment littered with RWD cars. This car can be sporty, sure, and the AWD aspect will play a MAJOR role in that image, since people customers simply do not equate FWD with sportiness... but that's okay. I agree with alot of what lex said. This car will lean alot more towards the "luxury" aspect of this segment than the "sport" aspect of this segment, though all of the cars are supposed to exibit "sporty luxury." Like the new M and STS, this car will have to actually prove itself against the extablishment (E-Class,5-Series,A6 and even the GS has proven itself a competitor with it's last gen car). Even though all the RL's runs on the "ring" will lend validation to it's sporty capablilites, I think most customers will opt for the extremely quiet, great handling, CHEAPER, and luxurious FWD version. Similar to the concept of offering a V8 option in all the aformentioned cars (with the exception of the RL, unfortunately), this AWD system will cast a halo on the car, and simply having the option to buy it will help drive sales. That's because even though it'll be cheaper without it, people will say "This car can easily be as sporty as the competiton" because the AWD system can be had. Though all of the cars in Acura's line up will have this sporty ability, I think the image will continue to be one of top notch luxury and refinement, being strengthened with this RL. That's just IMHO.
04-27-2004, 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by titan
Okay, okay. IMHO, this RL has great potential, but it does come with a handicap (FWD) to a segment littered with RWD cars. This car can be sporty, sure, and the AWD aspect will play a MAJOR role in that image, since people customers simply do not equate FWD with sportiness... but that's okay. I agree with alot of what lex said. This car will lean alot more towards the "luxury" aspect of this segment than the "sport" aspect of this segment, though all of the cars are supposed to exibit "sporty luxury." Like the new M and STS, this car will have to actually prove itself against the extablishment (E-Class,5-Series,A6 and even the GS has proven itself a competitor with it's last gen car). Even though all the RL's runs on the "ring" will lend validation to it's sporty capablilites, I think most customers will opt for the extremely quiet, great handling, CHEAPER, and luxurious FWD version. Similar to the concept of offering a V8 option in all the aformentioned cars (with the exception of the RL, unfortunately), this AWD system will cast a halo on the car, and simply having the option to buy it will help drive sales. That's because even though it'll be cheaper without it, people will say "This car can easily be as sporty as the competiton" because the AWD system can be had. Though all of the cars in Acura's line up will have this sporty ability, I think the image will continue to be one of top notch luxury and refinement, being strengthened with this RL. That's just IMHO.
Okay, okay. IMHO, this RL has great potential, but it does come with a handicap (FWD) to a segment littered with RWD cars. This car can be sporty, sure, and the AWD aspect will play a MAJOR role in that image, since people customers simply do not equate FWD with sportiness... but that's okay. I agree with alot of what lex said. This car will lean alot more towards the "luxury" aspect of this segment than the "sport" aspect of this segment, though all of the cars are supposed to exibit "sporty luxury." Like the new M and STS, this car will have to actually prove itself against the extablishment (E-Class,5-Series,A6 and even the GS has proven itself a competitor with it's last gen car). Even though all the RL's runs on the "ring" will lend validation to it's sporty capablilites, I think most customers will opt for the extremely quiet, great handling, CHEAPER, and luxurious FWD version. Similar to the concept of offering a V8 option in all the aformentioned cars (with the exception of the RL, unfortunately), this AWD system will cast a halo on the car, and simply having the option to buy it will help drive sales. That's because even though it'll be cheaper without it, people will say "This car can easily be as sporty as the competiton" because the AWD system can be had. Though all of the cars in Acura's line up will have this sporty ability, I think the image will continue to be one of top notch luxury and refinement, being strengthened with this RL. That's just IMHO.
04-27-2004, 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by NOVAwhiteTypeS
I was referring to the handling of the car. of course it won't have an easy time outselling the strong players
I was referring to the handling of the car. of course it won't have an easy time outselling the strong players
04-27-2004, 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by soopa
Nevertheless, the point remains, many a man think their GS's are race cars.
Many a man will think the same of the cheaper RL.
Just as many people here think the CL is a race car, there are identical people with deeper pockets who will buy the RL.
I dont know if you have seen this car in person yet, but its not BIG at all. It looks like a sporty sedan... compareable to a 5 series and even similar to the new TL in presence.
Now if the 5-series and the GS can be sporty why cant a RL?
Nevertheless, the point remains, many a man think their GS's are race cars.
Many a man will think the same of the cheaper RL.
Just as many people here think the CL is a race car, there are identical people with deeper pockets who will buy the RL.
I dont know if you have seen this car in person yet, but its not BIG at all. It looks like a sporty sedan... compareable to a 5 series and even similar to the new TL in presence.
Now if the 5-series and the GS can be sporty why cant a RL?
. We'll see as current RL owners will be like WTF when they want to trade up to the new one.
04-27-2004, 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Davediego
people paid 45k+ for the old legend. the new RL (arguably) has looks, great interior, tons of features, and now it has performance. the old RL had a great quite ride/smoothness, i dont believe acura would screw that up. there is no reason it wont be able to compete at 50k imo
we dont even know everything the production car will have yet
people paid 45k+ for the old legend. the new RL (arguably) has looks, great interior, tons of features, and now it has performance. the old RL had a great quite ride/smoothness, i dont believe acura would screw that up. there is no reason it wont be able to compete at 50k imo
we dont even know everything the production car will have yet
04-27-2004, 07:29 PM
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I thought the AWD is standard? I wonder how many Honda wants to sell of these a year?????
I am sure it will do well for Honda. If they price it even to GS 300s and M35s etc, you have a 300hp V-6, AWD car for about 45k, the same price as a new one. That is damn good.
If it is 50k and higher, that is V-8 territory. It doesn't matter how many HP it has, when people want extra cylinders, they just want em (sometimes not a rational decision).
I am sure it will do well for Honda. If they price it even to GS 300s and M35s etc, you have a 300hp V-6, AWD car for about 45k, the same price as a new one. That is damn good.
If it is 50k and higher, that is V-8 territory. It doesn't matter how many HP it has, when people want extra cylinders, they just want em (sometimes not a rational decision).
04-28-2004, 12:41 AM
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No they didn't. The car sold slow as molasses when the price skyrocketed like that. Most Legends are L or LS ones, which were in the low to mid 30s. (the dang yen hurt a lot of Japanese cars in the early 90s).
04-28-2004, 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
No they didn't. The car sold slow as molasses when the price skyrocketed like that. Most Legends are L or LS ones, which were in the low to mid 30s. (the dang yen hurt a lot of Japanese cars in the early 90s).
No they didn't. The car sold slow as molasses when the price skyrocketed like that. Most Legends are L or LS ones, which were in the low to mid 30s. (the dang yen hurt a lot of Japanese cars in the early 90s).
low to mid 30s was the vigor
04-28-2004, 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I thought the AWD is standard? I wonder how many Honda wants to sell of these a year?????
I am sure it will do well for Honda. If they price it even to GS 300s and M35s etc, you have a 300hp V-6, AWD car for about 45k, the same price as a new one. That is damn good.
If it is 50k and higher, that is V-8 territory. It doesn't matter how many HP it has, when people want extra cylinders, they just want em (sometimes not a rational decision).
I thought the AWD is standard? I wonder how many Honda wants to sell of these a year?????
I am sure it will do well for Honda. If they price it even to GS 300s and M35s etc, you have a 300hp V-6, AWD car for about 45k, the same price as a new one. That is damn good.
If it is 50k and higher, that is V-8 territory. It doesn't matter how many HP it has, when people want extra cylinders, they just want em (sometimes not a rational decision).
04-28-2004, 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by LegendaryAcs
I own a Legend LS coupe, which was the top of the line Legend coupe. There were only two types of coupes, the L and LS. And yes the LS did sell msrp for 45+ back in the day, but ofcourse that was when Acura was regarded by many among the top of Japanese luxury.
I own a Legend LS coupe, which was the top of the line Legend coupe. There were only two types of coupes, the L and LS. And yes the LS did sell msrp for 45+ back in the day, but ofcourse that was when Acura was regarded by many among the top of Japanese luxury.
But since u owned one and said it was 45k, I gotta go with you.
low to mid 30s was the vigor
04-28-2004, 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
No they didn't. The car sold slow as molasses when the price skyrocketed like that. Most Legends are L or LS ones, which were in the low to mid 30s. (the dang yen hurt a lot of Japanese cars in the early 90s).
No they didn't. The car sold slow as molasses when the price skyrocketed like that. Most Legends are L or LS ones, which were in the low to mid 30s. (the dang yen hurt a lot of Japanese cars in the early 90s).
The 4-Door was always a few grand cheaper. I think it topped out at 41,000, but I don’t have the numbers handy.
I paid 36,000 for my 91 5-Speed Coupe back in 1992 and it was worth every penny !!!
And when comparing this number to other cars, remember that back then this was the price for EVERYTHING.
Unlike BMW & Mercedes who continue to charge for stuff like Heated seats, Xenon lights & Sunroofs.
For Acura, all you do is pick your color, NAVI & Tranny choice and you’re good to go.
So if they are throwing around the 50K number that’s probably FULLY LOADED.
Try buying a 5-Series Bimmer for that. Not even the 6-Banger w/ options.
You’ll hit some serious stumbling blocks when you get to the “optional equipment” list.
04-28-2004, 01:44 PM
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Guys, does price matter with the new RL. I mean the thing is gonna be bad. Acura even said atthe new york show that its the badest engine yet for acura. That say alot if they are saying its better than the NSX. Oh they are also saying that rumors report that the pics of the car at New York is very similar to what it will look like.
mine had a 94 vigor as well
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Originally posted by roddymerritt
Guys, does price matter with the new RL. I mean the thing is gonna be bad. Acura even said atthe new york show that its the badest engine yet for acura. That say alot if they are saying its better than the NSX. Oh they are also saying that rumors report that the pics of the car at New York is very similar to what it will look like.
Guys, does price matter with the new RL. I mean the thing is gonna be bad. Acura even said atthe new york show that its the badest engine yet for acura. That say alot if they are saying its better than the NSX. Oh they are also saying that rumors report that the pics of the car at New York is very similar to what it will look like.
05-12-2004, 09:48 AM
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Source: Autospies
As first reported in Auto Spies, we broke the rumor that the next generation Acura RL would eventually showcase a hybrid version of the RL.
Well, we're happy to report that our sources are CONFIRMING that a the hybrid model of the RL should show up as a 2006 model.
As first reported in Auto Spies, we broke the rumor that the next generation Acura RL would eventually showcase a hybrid version of the RL.
Well, we're happy to report that our sources are CONFIRMING that a the hybrid model of the RL should show up as a 2006 model.
05-12-2004, 10:04 AM
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Thats great...posibly somehting like an RL type S or something like that since its gonna have more hten 300hp wiht the hybrid, prob like 250 instead of 300 for the regular engine and 100 hp with the electric is my guess. Very cool though.
05-12-2004, 12:08 PM
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acura should make the RL innovative and make the hybrid available AND standard from the beginning not this 1 yr later crap
acura should make the RL innovative and make the hybrid available AND standard from the beginning not this 1 yr later crap
This car is now 300HP. AWD. And will come out later as a hybrid.
But no. We need it to be 5000HP. AWD. Make it look like a Ferrari Modena. Have it in stick. And released yesterday...*sighs*
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05-14-2004, 10:45 AM
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A-spec is the new catch phrase
A-spec is the new catch phrase
05-16-2004, 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
a-spec is only cosmetics and handling only and from all the reviews it improves it alot.
a-spec is only cosmetics and handling only and from all the reviews it improves it alot.
Upgraded wheels/tires. Type-S had those too.
New steering wheel. Type-S had perforated leather on the steering wheel, seets, gearshift with Type-S emblem, and white faced guages.
Upgraded suspension. This might improve handling, but no more than the the Type-S suspension's upgrade did from the CLP --> CLS.
But in the Type-S, you also got 260hp, 232lb/ft, and a stability control system.
FOR LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE OF THE A-SPEC PACKAGE!!!!! The only thing that the A-Spec package includes that the Type-S didn't is a cheesy aero kit.
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I more or less agree, but the TL A-Spec wheels are pretty fucking cool. Also, what's to say that the A-Spec won't be expanded to include performance upgrades in the future? (Whether it be a higher displacement V6/V8 or a hybrid type deal)
I think that now that Type-S like power is standard on the TL and they're focusing less on a better engine and more on better everything else, A-Spec makes the most sense for Acura. I don't dig it much, but they do have to make money.
I think that now that Type-S like power is standard on the TL and they're focusing less on a better engine and more on better everything else, A-Spec makes the most sense for Acura. I don't dig it much, but they do have to make money.
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Originally posted by goldmemberer
I more or less agree, but the TL A-Spec wheels are pretty fucking cool. Also, what's to say that the A-Spec won't be expanded to include performance upgrades in the future? (Whether it be a higher displacement V6/V8 or a hybrid type deal)
I think that now that Type-S like power is standard on the TL and they're focusing less on a better engine and more on better everything else, A-Spec makes the most sense for Acura. I don't dig it much, but they do have to make money.
I more or less agree, but the TL A-Spec wheels are pretty fucking cool. Also, what's to say that the A-Spec won't be expanded to include performance upgrades in the future? (Whether it be a higher displacement V6/V8 or a hybrid type deal)
I think that now that Type-S like power is standard on the TL and they're focusing less on a better engine and more on better everything else, A-Spec makes the most sense for Acura. I don't dig it much, but they do have to make money.