Acura TLX Type S Reviews/Discussion
#321
It's probably because it's a tangible metric. When we see those numbers, we can grasp or have a concept of what they mean.
As for mocking the car because it's a few ticks off its competition ... I'll admit I'm guilty of the same. But, I mostly do it in contention of the opposite camp who were claiming the Type-S was going to come take the crown and act like Honda performance can't be beat ... and when they do (often), they start making excuses about how it'll be more reliable or other asinine excuses. Hailing Honda for making a revolutionary 3.0T V6, meanwhile the Germans were doing it for a number of years and all were able to get more power out of them ... but no, Honda was going to light the world on fire with this thing. It's a fool's errand though, as it's been proven nothing will sway their deep-rooted faith for Honda, their Lord and Savior.
If a car performs well and has an engine and drivetrain that are stout, I'm game. I'll never understand how or why people will defend to their graves a single brand who care nothing for them but their money. Honda, Toyota, GM, BMW, Audi, Mopar ... f*ck it. Build a great car, I couldn't care less the badge on it, I'll be interested. I mock these clowns who shit on other brands and throw undue praise at mediocrity simply because they have some inexplicable love for a corporation and are blinded by their own affinity.
As for mocking the car because it's a few ticks off its competition ... I'll admit I'm guilty of the same. But, I mostly do it in contention of the opposite camp who were claiming the Type-S was going to come take the crown and act like Honda performance can't be beat ... and when they do (often), they start making excuses about how it'll be more reliable or other asinine excuses. Hailing Honda for making a revolutionary 3.0T V6, meanwhile the Germans were doing it for a number of years and all were able to get more power out of them ... but no, Honda was going to light the world on fire with this thing. It's a fool's errand though, as it's been proven nothing will sway their deep-rooted faith for Honda, their Lord and Savior.
If a car performs well and has an engine and drivetrain that are stout, I'm game. I'll never understand how or why people will defend to their graves a single brand who care nothing for them but their money. Honda, Toyota, GM, BMW, Audi, Mopar ... f*ck it. Build a great car, I couldn't care less the badge on it, I'll be interested. I mock these clowns who shit on other brands and throw undue praise at mediocrity simply because they have some inexplicable love for a corporation and are blinded by their own affinity.
The guy that was insistent that the TLX would do 0-60 in 5.2s hasn't been active since last year. The guy who claimed the Type S really has 400tq and 386hp and then doubled down on it hasn't said squat once the reviews came out. The guy who kept telling us to be patient and wait for the reviews and that the TLX would be as fast or faster than the Accord in spite of the laws of physics hasn't been seen for a while too. At one point I remember some folks staunchly defending Acura's marketing department and claimed that the TLX is indeed rear-biased bEcAuSe AcUrA mArKeTiNg NeVeR LiEs; I don't hear those claims anymore. Can't remember who anymore, but someone also called me out and claimed my dyno charts were bunk when I showed that the RDX and TLX have a torque dip due to power being pulled at low gears; nobody's saying shit anymore about that now that SG and others have also mentioned the same.
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FWIW I think most of the sunshine pumpers / fanboys have come and gone. I think the only two prolific ones that remain are the sales guy in Texas and AcuraProTony.
The guy that was insistent that the TLX would do 0-60 in 5.2s hasn't been active since last year. The guy who claimed the Type S really has 400tq and 386hp and then doubled down on it hasn't said squat once the reviews came out. The guy who kept telling us to be patient and wait for the reviews and that the TLX would be as fast or faster than the Accord in spite of the laws of physics hasn't been seen for a while too. At one point I remember some folks staunchly defending Acura's marketing department and claimed that the TLX is indeed rear-biased bEcAuSe AcUrA mArKeTiNg NeVeR LiEs; I don't hear those claims anymore. Can't remember who anymore, but someone also called me out and claimed my dyno charts were bunk when I showed that the RDX and TLX have a torque dip due to power being pulled at low gears; nobody's saying shit anymore about that now that SG and others have also mentioned the same.
The guy that was insistent that the TLX would do 0-60 in 5.2s hasn't been active since last year. The guy who claimed the Type S really has 400tq and 386hp and then doubled down on it hasn't said squat once the reviews came out. The guy who kept telling us to be patient and wait for the reviews and that the TLX would be as fast or faster than the Accord in spite of the laws of physics hasn't been seen for a while too. At one point I remember some folks staunchly defending Acura's marketing department and claimed that the TLX is indeed rear-biased bEcAuSe AcUrA mArKeTiNg NeVeR LiEs; I don't hear those claims anymore. Can't remember who anymore, but someone also called me out and claimed my dyno charts were bunk when I showed that the RDX and TLX have a torque dip due to power being pulled at low gears; nobody's saying shit anymore about that now that SG and others have also mentioned the same.
#323
The Jetta GLI and Golf GTI are faster than the 2.0T A4. The Camery TRD with the V6 is faster than the IS models. Nissan does make a 300hp Maxima. Not sure if it's faster than a Q50 but it probably is.
#324
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I watched the SG review a few days ago. Seems they really liked it, outside of manual shifting, which has never been a strong suit of Hondacura cars. They are best left in automatic mode, IMO. The Accord-TLX drag race a few posts above just makes the non-S seem disappointing if you are looking for performance. Having owned a recent Accord (manual), I will tell you that the Accord is a sleeper and massive bang for buck. Not that it matters, but the RLX Sport Hybrid beats all, and used is an amazing deal.
In any case, it's best to set expectations for the TLX as a nice luxury cruiser, and the Type S as an entertaining luxury cruiser with handling chops. If you like it, go for it! In my case, I am glad I didn't wait, and instead purchased a RLX. I'm already looking forward to the TLX MMC to see what Acura does. More power? digital screen? more responsive transmission? We'll see.
In any case, it's best to set expectations for the TLX as a nice luxury cruiser, and the Type S as an entertaining luxury cruiser with handling chops. If you like it, go for it! In my case, I am glad I didn't wait, and instead purchased a RLX. I'm already looking forward to the TLX MMC to see what Acura does. More power? digital screen? more responsive transmission? We'll see.
#325
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I can confirm that the Q50 is a bit quicker than the Maxima. But my hunch is that it’s largely due to the Maxima’s CVT hampering it’s performance.
#326
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PS congrats on your 2021 TLX, just noticed your signature. I take a break for vacation and stuff happens LOL.
#327
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I agree. A “PMC” Type S with all the options would have been nice at the start, might have led me to consider a change. I suspect it will be the penultimate MMC TLX, just as with the 1G TLX.
PS congrats on your 2021 TLX, just noticed your signature. I take a break for vacation and stuff happens LOL.
PS congrats on your 2021 TLX, just noticed your signature. I take a break for vacation and stuff happens LOL.
#328
You'll get no argument from me that the marketing is BS as we literally just discussed a few posts up but I do disagree with you that the TLX being half a second slower to 60 than the Accord is embarrassing because it literally doesn't matter. The TLX has merits to justify it's existence besides it's straight line performance and if you approach it with the marketing out of mind and realize 90% of buyers of the Honda Accord or TLX in it's non S variant will ever really floor it (for fun) much less drag race at stop lights you can come to terms with the cars for what they are is all I'm saying. I mean in a bubble if I had to choose between the TLX and Accord both with the 2.0T I'd choose the TLX every time for the AWD.. half a second to 60 slower be damned. There is more to a car then it's straight line performance, if that's all cars were about we should all be on Tesla forums debating if that plaid edition can really get to 60 in under 2 seconds.
#329
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#330
Here's what you don't realize and are turning blind eye to: Accord is a mainstream sedan, marketed and available to average Joe with average Joe salary. It's quite easy to afford 2.0T Sport that sells for around $28-29K, in many cases even less. I had no problem getting my hard-to-find 6MT for under that. Second, as someone else pointed out, no other company has their appliance sedan beat out their luxury sedan. Third, they're not meant to compete because TLX is "supposed" to be 2 classes above. It's not. The car is terrible in so many ways. Huge on the outside, tiny on the inside. My teenage son bumped his head on the ceiling getting into passenger seat. His knees are hitting the glove box and my 7 year old daughter behind him could barely fit her legs. That car is an interior travesty. I've been in Civic Si Sedan and that car is easier for 3 people to get comfortable. Here is another piece where TLX is a completely clown car. You need to go up to Advance trim that is $50K in order to get HUD, adaptive dampers and folding mirrors. This is available on Accord Touring that costs LESS than a BASE TLX. Read that again. It's mind boggling. I can't imagine why anyone in the world would go buy base TLX, or Tech, or Aspec, or Advance in FWD for $15K more and have LESS than a mid $30K(s) Accord Touring 2.0T. There is no reason for TLX FWD to exist, period. They jacked it up by $5K starting MSRP over last gen TLX and for what? Nothing. Lastly, the marketing on the TLX is an insult to people's intelligence. What is TLX? Sport Sedan? Family Sedan? It's NEITHER.
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Which is not available in Canada, and only sold in small quantities due to very limited configuration options. The Accord 1.5T is also slower than the 2.0T and can compete with TLX, but no one mentions it.
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#333
I'd argue similar things you would, the Accord is an awful lot of bang for the buck and the superior family hauler if that's your need and if you're going to consider the TLX instead AWD is practically a must and the marketing is obviously complete BS like most marketing. It's hard to take you seriously with all the hyperbole though.
#334
The Accord Sport is also in very limited supply. The 1.5T doesn't really work. Thats up around 15.7 seconds 1/4 mile. 7+ seconds 0-60. More than a second behind the TLX on both metrics.
#335
I don't recall anyone ever calling the TLX a "family sedan." I've actually gone out of my way to convince young couples thinking about a family or who have very young children to avoid the car due to how much space is taken up by infant and convertible car seats, etc. Get an SUV instead!
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I don't recall anyone ever calling the TLX a "family sedan." I've actually gone out of my way to convince young couples thinking about a family or who have very young children to avoid the car due to how much space is taken up by infant and convertible car seats, etc. Get an SUV instead!
Type S is still an unknown. Have my suspicions as to how it will turn out but the tools are available on the car to prove me wrong.
#337
Think thats the point. Exactly where does the base TLX fit into the automotive world? If its not a family sedan & not a performance sedan what is it? I have always though of it as an over promoted (race track & desert adds) "family sedan" but not have had a requirement for a sedan for over 10 years & may be out of touch.
Type S is still an unknown. Have my suspicions as to how it will turn out but the tools are available on the car to prove me wrong.
Type S is still an unknown. Have my suspicions as to how it will turn out but the tools are available on the car to prove me wrong.
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#338
The Type S is a sports sedan, the TLX AWD is a family-ish luxury-ish sedan with compromised backseat space but AWD for those that need it or just want it. The base TLX with FWD is a rip off that shouldn't exist. That's how I view it.
#339
#340
That's a lot of "ish-es" for the price. And yes, FWD TLX has no reason to exist, not after $5K mark up over last MSRP.
#341
Don't discount the impact of how poorly the Accord looks vs how nice the TLX looks!
#342
It's possible to be a sporty car without a ton of power. The Toyota 86 pulls it off well. But it's tough to do with FWD geometry at this size. A Civic SI is going to be a lot more engaging that any FWD TLX despite the good geometry.
#343
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#344
Haha well I was thinking of the different trims and the range for the luxury-ish comment, the base TLX even with AWD is pretty meh in the luxuries department, the Advance trim though I'd drop the 'ish'. Family-ish stays though, it's clear that this thing isn't built for families the way the Accord or CR-V or something in those classes are. This seems squarly aimed at a families second car to compliment a CUV/SUV of some sort or single people or couples without kids.
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I was largely not regarding SRB's banter re: FWD TLXs but then my general curiosity was piqued. So, I inquired with my dealership here in central New Jersey as to how many of the 21 TLXs they've sold thus far were FWD. He indicated 65-70% of those sold were FWD!!
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
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I was largely not regarding SRB's banter re: FWD TLXs but then my general curiosity was piqued. So, I inquired with my dealership here in central New Jersey as to how many of the 21 TLXs they've sold thus far were FWD. He indicated 65-70% of those sold were FWD!!
Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.
Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.
Reality is there would be no fun cars without the various base units padding the numbers.
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I was largely not regarding SRB's banter re: FWD TLXs but then my general curiosity was piqued. So, I inquired with my dealership here in central New Jersey as to how many of the 21 TLXs they've sold thus far were FWD. He indicated 65-70% of those sold were FWD!!
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
#350
6G TLX-S
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#352
Call it whatever you want the base trim especially in FWD form is a rip off. I won't judge individuals for buying what pulls on their heart strings, heck I may end up with a Type S in my driveway after I drive it if I fall in love with it (that Tiger Eye on that car is gorgeous), I get it, but if you only have 37.5-38k to spend the Accord is a much better purchase overall on paper with no feelings involved.
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I was largely not regarding SRB's banter re: FWD TLXs but then my general curiosity was piqued. So, I inquired with my dealership here in central New Jersey as to how many of the 21 TLXs they've sold thus far were FWD. He indicated 65-70% of those sold were FWD!!
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
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#354
Generally the best selling tlx configuration will be the cheaper configured models. Many buyers just want an Acura and don't want to spend extra on packages or options. When I picked up my 18 TLX there were 3 other people getting theirs delivered as well. All base 4 cyl variants. One of the other buyers when I told him I bought the V6 sh-awd he asked me how it compared to the 4 cyl since he didn't test drive the v6. I told him I didn't know cause I didn't bother to test drive the 4 cyl.
#355
Generally the best selling tlx configuration will be the cheaper configured models. Many buyers just want an Acura and don't want to spend extra on packages or options. When I picked up my 18 TLX there were 3 other people getting theirs delivered as well. All base 4 cyl variants. One of the other buyers when I told him I bought the V6 sh-awd he asked me how it compared to the 4 cyl since he didn't test drive the v6. I told him I didn't know cause I didn't bother to test drive the 4 cyl.
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#356
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Not sure what you call it, but I drove the Type-S yesterday and love it.
#358
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Call it whatever you want the base trim especially in FWD form is a rip off. I won't judge individuals for buying what pulls on their heart strings, heck I may end up with a Type S in my driveway after I drive it if I fall in love with it (that Tiger Eye on that car is gorgeous), I get it, but if you only have 37.5-38k to spend the Accord is a much better purchase overall on paper with no feelings involved.
I didn't need the SH-AWD so why spend money on something I don't need. And I could afford it if I wanted to go with the AWD. And it's not a rip off as you stated either.
#359
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I was largely not regarding SRB's banter re: FWD TLXs but then my general curiosity was piqued. So, I inquired with my dealership here in central New Jersey as to how many of the 21 TLXs they've sold thus far were FWD. He indicated 65-70% of those sold were FWD!!
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
(Seriously, even I had it pegged 35-40%.)
Not sure if that's generally representative of the model as a whole but if so, maybe there should be a FWD TLX-S.
really? Wow. And in a snowy part of the country? Lots of base/bargain buyers out there. I can understand that proportion in a warm state, but wow.
#360
Don't know what you drive, but I had a 2018 Accord EL-X 2.0 and now a 2021 TLX Tech FWD. The TLX is so much better than the Accord in all areas of the car, how it handles, drives, equipment and power (yes, it does move when needed). I really don't care about 0 -60 anymore and the TLX is build to a higher standard than the Accord.
I didn't need the SH-AWD so why spend money on something I don't need. And I could afford it if I wanted to go with the AWD. And it's not a rip off as you stated either.
I didn't need the SH-AWD so why spend money on something I don't need. And I could afford it if I wanted to go with the AWD. And it's not a rip off as you stated either.
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