Acura TLX Type S Reviews/Discussion
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Nevermind, it looks like the NSX engine was indeed developed in Japan:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...017-acura-nsx/
Engineers in Marysville mocked up a new rear subframe even as their colleagues in Tochigi, Japan, frantically worked on the turbo engine and a new nine-speed transmission
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Watch the Cosworth NSX engine being built in Anna Ohio
Cosworth made the Honda drawings work with realistic changes & produced a running engine. At the end of the day the parts that get assembled come out of the Cosworth plant with the Cosworth modifications that made it an actual production engine not just a collection of drawings.
Cosworth made the Honda drawings work with realistic changes & produced a running engine. At the end of the day the parts that get assembled come out of the Cosworth plant with the Cosworth modifications that made it an actual production engine not just a collection of drawings.
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Watch the Cosworth NSX engine being built in Anna Ohio
Cosworth made the Honda drawings work with realistic changes & produced a running engine. At the end of the day the parts that get assembled come out of the Cosworth plant with the Cosworth modifications that made it an actual production engine not just a collection of drawings.
Cosworth made the Honda drawings work with realistic changes & produced a running engine. At the end of the day the parts that get assembled come out of the Cosworth plant with the Cosworth modifications that made it an actual production engine not just a collection of drawings.
From your article linked
In fact, Honda relies on Cosworth's powertrain headquarters in Northampton, England, to build the blocks and heads for the NSX's twin-turbocharged V6. The advantage of the partnership comes down to Cosworth's "plasma ion coating capability for cylinder block bores, which improves heat transfer, reduces friction and delivers a lighter, more fuel-efficient engine."
Honda relies on the OE Manufacturing centre at our UK powertrain headquarters in Northampton, that has been specifically designed to meet the individual needs of any OEM. It is here where we manufacture the V6 blocks and heads for the NSX’s 573hp hybrid powertrain.
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Is there any news on what acura plans for TLX-L (long wheelbase) for China based on Type S drivetrain? If Acura adds 2-3 inch to length and adds that to rear leg room, adds other missing features like HUD and offers quilted seats like MDX, it will be a good product to compete against 5 sereis, E class, A6s and G80s. I believe it can be a good replacement for RLX and will sell more than RLX.
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Is there any news on what acura plans for TLX-L (long wheelbase) for China based on Type S drivetrain? If Acura adds 2-3 inch to length and adds that to rear leg room, adds other missing features like HUD and offers quilted seats like MDX, it will be a good product to compete against 5 sereis, E class, A6s and G80s. I believe it can be a good replacement for RLX and will sell more than RLX.
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How can people seriously claim a TLX competes with a 5 Series, an E Class, or an A6 is just mind boggling. Look at the way the leather is wrapped around the steering wheel and then go and compare that with the way it’s done on those German cars and you immediately see the difference in quality. Don’t even bother with the shockingly cheap plastic on the window sills. Design and quality are not the same thing.
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How can people seriously claim a TLX competes with a 5 Series, an E Class, or an A6 is just mind boggling. Look at the way the leather is wrapped around the steering wheel and then go and compare that with the way it’s done on those German cars and you immediately see the difference in quality. Don’t even bother with the shockingly cheap plastic on the window sills. Design and quality are not the same thing.
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
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definitely wrong comparison!
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
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definitely wrong comparison!
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
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definitely wrong comparison!
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
But the same way goes, when people here discuss and chat nonsense because it's a free forum and if we don't like it. too bad. But I definitely think 5 series and E class are just next level. I am not too sure about A6 tbh. To me, all Audi products look like VW. The same way, Honda and infiniti look alike Honda and Nissan.
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On another note: An Arteon is $52,995 CAD fully loaded from A to Z, and a base, empty, without any tech A6 starts at $65,495 CAD. And the Arteon has more HP and if you add a few similar features to the A6, the price jumps to $71K CAD! Is $18K difference justified?
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Funny thing is if your theory is correct, why would anyone buy an Acura over, say, a Honda or something even worse?
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The Stringer was also a pass for me due to interior being very meh, even after refresh. Granted my 2021 S5 SB is well above 70k, but it was a necessary evil since used "sport wagon-styled" cars are overpriced and in low inventory. Would have loved to get a 2020 S5 SB model but good luck finding them. The 2018s are much easier, but getting a nicely spec-ed one is just as hard. And they still go for 50k (all CAD prices btw), for a 4 year old first year production god knows who abused it sport sedan with almost zero warranty left.
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To people who can afford that price point and who can appreciate what makes them different then yes of course the price gap is justified. To people on a smaller budget and who don’t know the difference between the two then of course it isn’t.
Funny thing is if your theory is correct, why would anyone buy an Acura over, say, a Honda or something even worse?
Funny thing is if your theory is correct, why would anyone buy an Acura over, say, a Honda or something even worse?
Now the same theory goes with A6 and Areton, I am sure there is a difference in material and driving experience, but I just wanted to bring it to people attention that it's not always cool to compare the TLX to Accord. That's all! you see members' reaction isn't positive when you compare their car to another lower brand/vehicle.
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The Arteon has a garbage sound system. Granted you can upgrade system on Audi's, but you can't do anything for the Arteon. I was very interested in taking a look at one, but no R spec and shit sound system makes it a big waste of money for me. May as well get the Stinger. Yes, the price difference is justified. BTW, the direct comparison is not the A6, it's the A5 SB which can be had for way less than 70k.
The Stringer was also a pass for me due to interior being very meh, even after refresh. Granted my 2021 S5 SB is well above 70k, but it was a necessary evil since used "sport wagon-styled" cars are overpriced and in low inventory. Would have loved to get a 2020 S5 SB model but good luck finding them. The 2018s are much easier, but getting a nicely spec-ed one is just as hard. And they still go for 50k (all CAD prices btw), for a 4 year old first year production god knows who abused it sport sedan with almost zero warranty left.
The Stringer was also a pass for me due to interior being very meh, even after refresh. Granted my 2021 S5 SB is well above 70k, but it was a necessary evil since used "sport wagon-styled" cars are overpriced and in low inventory. Would have loved to get a 2020 S5 SB model but good luck finding them. The 2018s are much easier, but getting a nicely spec-ed one is just as hard. And they still go for 50k (all CAD prices btw), for a 4 year old first year production god knows who abused it sport sedan with almost zero warranty left.
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I don't want to argue and waste your time. But let's be honest, are you paying $10-$15K for a sound system? I understand the A6 has probably a prestigious name, better leather and an awesome AWD. I highly doubt anyone pays that price for an A6 for the sound system. But again, if you do...good for you!
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Back in the 2000's, VW had released the Phaeton sedan in the North American market. It was a full size luxury sedan like the Audi A8, and could be equipped with all high-tech bells and whistles that one could think of during that period, including a giant W12 twelve cylinder optional engine. Moreover, it also carried a hefty price tag that rivaled the Audi A8.
In the end, the VW Phaeton had to be axed due to dismay sales. The VW Phaeton was a good car, except that no one was stupid enough to spend such money on a VW sedan.
In the end, the VW Phaeton had to be axed due to dismay sales. The VW Phaeton was a good car, except that no one was stupid enough to spend such money on a VW sedan.
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You don't need to justify a luxury item. They are wants not needs. You buy it because you want it & can afford it, thats why its called a luxury item. Another way it can be looked at is your financial position & earning power can determine what is a luxury car & what is not. A TLX Type S might be a luxury item to some one with a Civic budget but a TLX Type S is not a luxury item to someone who can spend $71,000 for a car.
Example: Do you really think someone going in to buy a $140,000 M5 @ 605BHP is really concerned about the price being $85,800 more than a base 240BHP 530i? For this buyer even an $85,000 car is not a "luxury" item.
Bang for the Buck & Luxury are polar opposites.
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Have you not read the reactions on this forum, most of the reasons people are getting the FWD TLX is due to the better sound system. Yes, for people that can afford it, it's worth the premium. Plus the other upgrades that come when stepping up to a luxury brand/model.
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I specifically mentioned TLX FWD since besides the sound system, the Accord Touring has the better "luxury" items, performance, and interior space. You keep on comparing the Arteon to the A6 because of price, but features don't align. It's clone is the A5 Sportback. It's like comparing the Accord to the RLX if it still existed.
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I specifically mentioned TLX FWD since besides the sound system, the Accord Touring has the better "luxury" items, performance, and interior space. You keep on comparing the Arteon to the A6 because of price, but features don't align. It's clone is the A5 Sportback. It's like comparing the Accord to the RLX if it still existed.
And in Canada, Acura sells only AWD. There is no more FWD.
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I specifically mentioned TLX FWD since besides the sound system, the Accord Touring has the better "luxury" items, performance, and interior space. You keep on comparing the Arteon to the A6 because of price, but features don't align. It's clone is the A5 Sportback. It's like comparing the Accord to the RLX if it still existed.
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Please kindly provide me that data of TLX FWD. I have never seen a single data set of Acura showing SH-AWD and FWD sales numbers separately. So how do you know how many AWD vs FWD were sold? Or you are simply assuming based on the "Enthusiasts" of this forum
And in Canada, Acura sells only AWD. There is no more FWD.
And in Canada, Acura sells only AWD. There is no more FWD.
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Who mentioned sales? Now look who's going off topic. I specifically mentioned people preferences on this site based on comments. No one needs a TLX, but people still prefer a base TLX to a loaded Accord. Price goes out the door when luxury and preferences are involved.
And BTW if it was based on this site, Acura would have closed its doors last year and not sold 18K+ units last month.
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Show me the data for preference? I wrote sales since that's the only we can know the number of people which model they prefer. I don't have the data for preference. Or again, you are referring to the "Real Enthusiasts" preference. Please bring facts and not Joe and Moe said that. I heard people prefer Jetta over A4. is this a fact? of course not. No one cares what they said or thought.
And BTW if it was based on this site, Acura would have closed its doors last year and not sold 18K+ units last month.
And BTW if it was based on this site, Acura would have closed its doors last year and not sold 18K+ units last month.
Yes, the RLX has a better sound system than an Accord and it's worth the price difference. Same for A6 vs Arteon, the end.
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I am not sure how reliable his analysis is but I watched this the other day. I think it's a cool video about different brands and their sound system .Hope you enjoy:
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The Best Car Audio Systems 2021: Top Cars With Best Speakers and Sound - Rolling Stone
Acura has partnered with Panasonic on its car audio systems since 2004, and the fruits of the partnership are on full display in Acura’s new ELS STUDIO 3D Sound System. We tested out the ELS STUDIO 3D system on the 2021 Acura TLX, and couldn’t believe that a system of this quality and caliber comes standard on most of the new TLX models (in addition to many of the new Acura vehicles).
The 16-channel, 17-speaker system is a game-changer for luxury sedans, and creates an incredibly immersive 3D soundscape, with the ability to play tunes in true 5.1 surround sound. The addition of four overhead, ceiling-mounted speakers is what helps to produce the three-dimensional audio image, and really fills the cabin with sound, whether you’re sitting in the front or back.
The 16-channel, 17-speaker system is a game-changer for luxury sedans, and creates an incredibly immersive 3D soundscape, with the ability to play tunes in true 5.1 surround sound. The addition of four overhead, ceiling-mounted speakers is what helps to produce the three-dimensional audio image, and really fills the cabin with sound, whether you’re sitting in the front or back.
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Changing gears:
....noteworthy comment referencing the TLX-S at 6:30 - 6:45; and he just finished shaking down the the TLX-S at Laguna Seca.
....noteworthy comment referencing the TLX-S at 6:30 - 6:45; and he just finished shaking down the the TLX-S at Laguna Seca.
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Changing gears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B9VLDXwY9Q&t=410s
....noteworthy comment referencing the TLX-S at 6:30 - 6:45; and he just finished shaking down the the TLX-S at Laguna Seca.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B9VLDXwY9Q&t=410s
....noteworthy comment referencing the TLX-S at 6:30 - 6:45; and he just finished shaking down the the TLX-S at Laguna Seca.
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Jack's issue with the engine is that you can put it into another car (Audi, BMW, Infiniti) and it would feel at home there; it doesn't feel like a Honda engine. And other turbocharged engines can be wound out (B58 has a 7K redline), but the Type S redlines at 6200. They do say it's not a bad car, and that it's a very good car, but it may not appeal to old school Honda/Acura fans.
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I am not sure how reliable his analysis is but I watched this the other day. I think it's a cool video about different brands and their sound system .Hope you enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLBX5r-3n3g
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