AcuraGuy2016

THIS echoes my thoughts. I bought the 1G TLX since it is cheap (heavily discounted when I purchased, maybe even better now). I can get a 1G TLX V6 Tech cheaper than a 2016/2017 Accord Touring when they were actually sold.

At the prices they are asking, NO WAY would I spend that on a larger vehicle who only increased its size for style. A fully loaded Audi is not that much more expensive and actually performs. You cannot compare to A6, since the interior and usable dimensions are totally different.

The previous TLX was a genuine value. The new TLX, while improved in many ways, is not a value compared to German.

Look at Lexus ES for comparison. That now costs the same as the TLX. That gives you usable dimensions, much better fuel economy, and likely better 0-60. Audi performs better than both.

AcuraGuy2016

Has anyone reported on road noise yet? Specifically compared to the 1G TLX and 3G RDX?

AcuraGuy2016

If the car is quiet, REALLY wish Acura would have kept the width down by 1" and made the length more usable practical vs. for show.

Also wish Acura would have kept a smooth efficient NA V6 with the new 10 speed transmission with VCM for both actual performance power and efficiency.

I'm not a fan of turbos for V6 replacements:
https://carbuzz.com/features/this-is...onomy-is-a-lie

Now Turbo 6 and TTV6 for performance variants are a different story.

fiatlux

The cars.com review said the car is exceedingly quiet, so it sounds like it’s a winner in the NVH department so far.

pyrodan007

They replaced the V6 only to gain 1mpg but at the sacrifice of acceleration/performance/sound. I do believe turbo 4s are a good solution, it's just Acura that executed it poorly with the G2 TLX.

fiatlux

Funny that I called out the RDX for pulling power to protect the driveline when someone asked how it could be slower than the less powerful and heavier Germans, and still had people in that thread claiming I was wrong, even though I had a quote from an Acura engineer and dyno graphs showing a torque dip in the RDX that doesn’t exist in the Accord 2.0T.

Methinks we’re going to see the same dip in the TLX dyno graphs too. At least it can be tuned out, but at what cost to the driveline?

AcuraGuy2016

See how they test the city mpg. It is a bunk test that favors turbos that do not reflect real world driving conditions, since they are primarily out of boost during the test.

AcuraGuy2016

It depends on how it was tested. My previous Honda Accord was quiet pulling out of the driveway. Once it got going >20mph on my neighborhood concrete streets that all went to pot. When cruising at highway speeds on concrete, the road noise was so loud and distracting, it made it hard for people to hear me during bluetooth calls.

My 1G TLX is very quiet up to 45-50 mph on concrete. At cruising speeds on concrete highways, there is some road noise, but it is SO MUCH LESS than the Accord. I'm guessing it's normal for the class.

I'd be curious how the 2G compares in those conditions.

loki

I just watched this review. Absolutely ridiculous how weak the car is. Downshifts are embarrassingly slow. It corners like a boat even with SH-AWD, super slow to respond to inputs...

The hype of the century....FAIL.

fiatlux

So does this mean Acura won’t be giving them a Type-S to review next year?

Honda430

Damn, there's a lot of hate in this thread. All the haters can simply buy something else and quit complaining. Sheesh lol

loki

Hate is the result of Acura creating a hype around this car as a best sport sedan in 35 years. They did this to themselves. People waited years for this car, probably skipped buying other cars because of the hype and got a subpar product. The hype is fake. The hate is real. For a reason.

fiatlux

Acura is reaping what’s it sowed. They hyped this up to be the best thing since sliced bread which it didn’t deliver on. It’s quiet nice as a regular car, and as a DD probably towards the top of the list, but it’s most definitely flawed as the performance sport sedan they they claim it to be.

pyrodan007

And even then as a DD, the exterior space vs interior space is not really a great selling point. For the exact same price, you can get the RDX. I can agree on sacrificing back seats for enjoyment, not very much in this case.

SebringSilver

All the lukewarm-to-somewhat positive reviews in the world isn’t going to result in you getting an A-spec (or even a Type S) with the best features of the Platinum Elite (Advance) so it’s all moot.

cruiserchuck

They are known for great NA 4 cyl engines, not so much for turbo engines. Honda (and Toyota) do not appear to have caught up to the German companies with respect to turbo engines.

fiatlux

I don’t think it’s the turbo that did them in, since the K20C in the CTR and Accord 2.0T are actually quite good. Seems like the team working on the SH-AWD system could have had some of the engine guys help them out. Maybe then the power wouldn’t need to be neutered in lower gears.

pyrodan007

The more things change, the more they stay the same. It's the same excuse why they couldn't use the 8DCT in the V6 for the G1 TLX, engine would destroy transmission. If Honda/Acura would design beefy components from the very beginning, they wouldn't have to redesign/cheat to make things work later. Look at the ZF8, it can handle a lot of power with minor to no changes. In Honda's case, they designed the SHAWD to work with the NA V6 power only. It can work now with the Turbo 4, but by screwing around with engine instead.

Kense

I waited to see what would come of this, based on the lack of performance numbers , options and price they are planning on starting with I'm going to BMW so yes I will buy something else. Why do some of you get so defensive of car brands? They don't care about you.

Kense

"Lacking in Power"

Kense

It's not looking good for this car so far.

honda_nut

The fact that Car and Driver noted that this is probably slower than the Accord 2.0t really digs in. How is the "best sports sedan" in Acura's history slower than the more plebeian Accord? Oh, but it's about how it drives. Acura then makes Primacy grand touring tires as standard. People aren't going to drop another grand on new tires right after purchasing a vehicle and throw away a brand new set. But it's bigger than other competition. Proceeds to have cramped rear legroom. More luxurious. Nah. Technology? Nope.

Acura did this on themselves.

Tony Pac

honda_nut

Honestly, if this was priced closer to the 1st Gen TLX, they would have had a value winner on their hands. It's something Acura was known for. Being pretty good in most categories while having a big price advantage.

Mak P

I don't know how you depend on a review of a car instead of test driving it yourself and seeing what you do or do not like

F22C

sooo does this mean massive discount/incentive for this model?

fiatlux

Let's not be so hasty. We should wait for the specs wait for the reviews wait for the instrumented tests before we decide whether or not its too slow. Let's not be too quick to judge. Acura did say this will be the quickest sports sedan in their history. I bet they have a few tricks up their sleeves that the early reviews didn't know about. Acura is on fire!

fiatlux

If you've test driven the RDX already, based on the exact same reports we're hearing in these reviews, I suspect you'd know exactly how this car puts down power. That so some could be an absolute dealbreaker regardless of how well it handles.

Speed Guy

Acura has only said that the Type-S is going to be their fastest sedan. Full stop.

Mak P

Wasnt most people eyes on the type s? How many are really interested in the non-type s especially those tracking this car on the internet? I've only been interested in the type s, but my interest dropped considerably cause it won't offer an advance package. I'll keep my eyes on it

fiatlux

Jalops got their hands on the car too: https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-acura-...amn-1845152841

Kense

LOL what? Everybody was waiting for reviews and reviews are here now we shouldn't depend on a review?

AcuraFan1980

“ The car is fun because of the way it handles, not because of the way it accelerates “

Dont most cars in the class give both though?

NwTSXmt

hmmmnn...what sedan is not a daily driver..

honda_nut

It's a tough market out there for sedans, especially a sports sedan. If you get introduced with lukewarm reviews and are not breaking new ground on tech or performance, it's a hard sale. The guys looking for performance will look else where, the rest will buy a RDX or MDX unfortunately. I'd love to see this car succeed as that's one less crossover on the road. I'll give it a test drive when this Covid stuff cools down, but I'm not expecting much.

dopeboy1

Why does everyone act like the 2.0 is the model acura was hyping. Its like acting surprised the previous generation 2.4 isn't fast.

It may not be fast but we don't need to pretend that acura thinks the 2.0 is the "best sports sedan" in Acura's history.

Nedmundo

Yeah, I'd like stronger performance from the 2.0T, but it's pretty clear that the serious sport sedan will be the Type-S. Plus, the 2.0T compares favorably with similarly-sized competitors in 2.0T configurations. Cadillac's CT5 is probably the best example, and its 2.0T is positively anemic. I expect the TLX 2.0T to be much better, and ditto for the Kia Stinger's merely adequate 2.0T. It appears the TLX's 2.0T will deliver performance similar to BMW's 5 Series with the 2.0T. Seems right on target.

Problem is, many (perhaps including Acura itself) are including much smaller, lighter cars in the competitive set, like the 3 Series. Nobody can expect a larger, heavier car with a similar engine to compete for acceleration. Pretty basic stuff.

Based on the reviews, I think I'd like the TLX 2.0T, and if I didn't live in a densely-packed urban area I might consider it. But the positive aspects of the early reviews are very encouraging signs for the upcoming compact Acura, which will presumably have much better performance with the 2.0T. Heck, maybe it will get the CTR's motor for a Type-S variant. It can't come soon enough.

loki

To the contrary, I expect ridiculous dealer markups like they've done with other "popular" new Honda/Acura cars. Corporate doesn't give a damn about price gouging. Even Dodge put an end to it with Hellcat and Demon yet HONDA can't (won't).

Acura says a lot about their cars and then falls flat on their face. The 1st Gen TLX was hyped into oblivion and look what it was. Ironically/sadly, it actually looks decent compared to what this new one is (performance vs price ratio).

fiatlux

Evo X sucks as a DD. STI was barely better as a DD. SRT-4 is quite a lousy DD too.

dmski

Just watched Straight Pipes review. Holly Molly what a HUGE disappointment this car is. The exceleration and downshifts are EMBARRASSING. I'm so disappointed by this I don't think I'm getting the Type S anymore. Just a bad execution overall. Not going to trust this brand with $60K. Oh well, better options out there. Good luck to them.