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It's entertaining watching the goalposts constantly shifting and the boosters going from this car is awesome to then telling people to go buy something else within a few posts.
You know what’s more entertaining? Watching a thread that contains more posts from users that don’t even have the car either saying the same thing over and over for an entire year or more.
Just because a car is awesome doesn’t mean everyone should buy it as people have different priorities whether they want an EV, SUV, convertible, etc. Otherwise, I’d be daily driving an NSX.
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I wouldn’t know how to search for that on the forums. We’ll restart the counter. This would be one again.
What makes you think I would be upset that the backseats of my
has slightly more legroom with the bench rear seats than my
Surprise! I don’t care since I’m not driving around Shaq in the backseat on a daily basis. However, you seem to be since you keep hanging around the forum of a car that you obviously don’t like.
You know what’s more entertaining? Watching a thread that contains more posts from users that don’t even have the car either saying the same thing over and over for an entire year or more.
Just because a car is awesome doesn’t mean everyone should buy it as people have different priorities whether they want an EV, SUV, convertible, etc. Otherwise, I’d be daily driving an NSX.
And do you know what is even more entertaining? This thread would be dead without these healthy discussions because there's not enough owners/potential owners to keep it afloat.
And do you know what is even more entertaining? This thread would be dead without these healthy discussions because there's not enough owners/potential owners to keep it afloat.
There are quite a large number of owners in nearly every community but this one. In fact, this forum is a laughing stock and is generally known to be avoided because of the trolls that spam the same thing a year later. I’m not sure I’ve seen a forum that has as many haters as this one that copy and paste the same argument over and over.
I mainly come here for the laughs if not to contribute and it never fails. Just look at the direction this “TLX reviews” thread is heading. It’s literally a circle jerk with the same handful of people that have nothing to contribute other than sharing information that someone with access to a car magazine can read and learn.
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There are quite a large number of owners in nearly every community but this one. In fact, this forum is a laughing stock and is generally known to be avoided because of the trolls that spam the same thing a year later. I’m not sure I’ve seen a forum that has as many haters as this one that copy and paste the same argument over and over.
I mainly come here for the laughs if not to contribute and it never fails. Just look at the direction this “TLX reviews” thread is heading. It’s literally a circle jerk with the same handful of people that have nothing to contribute other than sharing information that someone with access to a car magazine can read and learn.
Maybe there's some amount of soul-searching to be done to understand why former Acura owners feel compelled to be so negative about the current products. Maybe the forum is devoid of "positive" enthusiasts not because the negative ones are scaring them away, but maybe there just aren't that many positive enthusiasts?
It's interesting to note that the RDX and MDX sub-forums don't have any issues like the TLX forums. The 3G forum didn't have these issues either. I wonder why....
There are quite a large number of owners in nearly every community but this one. In fact, this forum is a laughing stock and is generally known to be avoided because of the trolls that spam the same thing a year later. I’m not sure I’ve seen a forum that has as many haters as this one that copy and paste the same argument over and over.
I mainly come here for the laughs if not to contribute and it never fails. Just look at the direction this “TLX reviews” thread is heading. It’s literally a circle jerk with the same handful of people that have nothing to contribute other than sharing information that someone with access to a car magazine can read and learn.
There two things:
1. They regret their new purchase and miss Acura and cannot admit it. They miss the reliability and resale value. they are stuck with daily dealer rounds and massive bills. I have a friend, who have monthly appointment with BMW to fix his 3series. Every day a new issue comes up and I laugh and tell him, go buy a Lexus or Acura.
2. Unemployment is high in their region unfortunately, so this forum keeps them busy and pass their time
if non of the above applies, then why one would waste their time in a random forum. I am not interested in Genesis and have zero interest to buy one. Even if tomorrow I get a G70 for 50% off, I will still not buy it. But that doesn't bring me to a Genesis forum and bashing the brand. Those who purchase, I wish them best of luck and hope they enjoy their car.
1. They regret their new purchase and miss Acura and cannot admit it. They miss the reliability and resale value. they are stuck with daily dealer rounds and massive bills. I have a friend, who have monthly appointment with BMW to fix his 3series. Every day a new issue comes up and I laugh and tell him, go buy a Lexus or Acura.
2. Unemployment is high in their region unfortunately, so this forum keeps them busy and pass their time
if non of the above applies, then why one would waste their time in a random forum. I am not interested in Genesis and have zero interest to buy one. Even if tomorrow I get a G70 for 50% off, I will still not buy it. But that doesn't bring me to a Genesis forum and bashing the brand. Those who purchase, I wish them best of luck and hope they enjoy their car.
You don't own a TLX either so I guess you too are wasting your time on a random forum?
It's interesting to note that the RDX and MDX sub-forums don't have any issues like the TLX forums. The 3G forum didn't have these issues either. I wonder why....
Is this a trick question?
Easy answer. The hater club is too busy trolling the TLX forums.
I'm assuming you've flipped the car seat so that it's front facing? Otherwise if it's rear facing I'd have to ask if your wife is an amputee .
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100% forward facing. More importantly the TLX has tons of shoulder and hip room. Three adults in the back is generally a challenge should room wise but not in the TLX.
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100% forward facing. More importantly the TLX has tons of shoulder and hip room. Three adults in the back is generally a challenge should room wise but not in the TLX.
Have you tried an adult in the middle seat? Hip room is great but headroom is almost nonexistent. My wife is only 5’4 and even she has to hunch over or lean to the side in that seat.
Yet another example of form over function. Why did Acura decide to make the rear seats more sporty/bucket-like? In doing so they raised the middle seat considerably and reduced headroom. If the premise is that the rear legroom doesn’t matter because the seats are rarely used, why did they go and make them look sportier?
Have you tried an adult in the middle seat? Hip room is great but headroom is almost nonexistent. My wife is only 5’4 and even she has to hunch over or lean to the side in that seat.
Yet another example of form over function. Why did Acura decide to make the rear seats more sporty/bucket-like? In doing so they raised the middle seat considerably and reduced headroom. If the premise is that the rear legroom doesn’t matter because the seats are rarely used, why did they go and make them look sportier?
Is this another rhetoric question of yours that doesn’t need to be answered or do you expect him to answer a question that is for the TLX’s R&D team? Or maybe you expect him to answer on behalf of the R&D team.
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Is this another rhetoric question of yours that doesn’t need to be answered or do you expect him to answer a question that is for the TLX’s R&D team? Or maybe you expect him to answer on behalf of the R&D team.
I pose the question to illustrate another seemingly headscratching decision that was made by the product team. But of course, I know what they'll say: "something something focus groups".
You don't own a TLX either so I guess you too are wasting your time on a random forum?
Fair assessment: but I have two Acuras parked in my garage. Also, if I don’t contribute any info about TLX, at least I am respectful of other people’s choice and share whatever I know.
i was referring to people that don’t own any Acura for ages and still they are here “helping” the community 🤣
I pose the question to illustrate another seemingly headscratching decision that was made by the product team. But of course, I know what they'll say: "something something focus groups".
Sounds like entrapment since whenever someone tries to engage in the conversation to find a reason for anything Acura related they are considered a “whiteknight”. Sound familiar?
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It's interesting to note that the RDX and MDX sub-forums don't have any issues like the TLX forums. The 3G forum didn't have these issues either. I wonder why....
I wouldn’t say that as the RDX/MDX are getting hit with initial quality stories too. A recent one from a 2023 MDX is mind boggling!
Originally Posted by mjkusa
I picked up my 2023 MDX AWD TECH a month ago and have 800 miles. I have air in my brake lines. Pedal sank almost to the floor. Also my power steering is over boosted, even in sport setting. In comparison to the same model loaner, the steering feel on my car feels like it's connected to nothing. Also having parking sensor issues. This is my 4th MDX. The quality and design has gone down the drain. The rear seat is a horrible design for Acura to cut corners and not offer choice of seating. This will probably be my last Acura.
I wouldn’t say that as the RDX/MDX are getting hit with initial quality stories too. A recent one from a 2023 MDX is mind boggling!
I think he meant as far as criticizing the vehicles' shortcomings via its design, which I have noticed also. But that is an easy one for me: the RDX and MDX are exactly what they set out to be.
But unfortunately the quality of both does seem to be subpar (more so with the RDX and it seems to have a higher number of QC issues) and there's a lot of issues popping up out there e.g. brake issues, going into limp mode, major moonroof issues...
I think he meant as far as criticizing the vehicles' shortcomings via its design, which I have noticed also. But that is an easy one for me: the RDX and MDX are exactly what they set out to be.
But unfortunately the quality of both does seem to be subpar (more so with the RDX and it seems to have a higher number of QC issues) and there's a lot of issues popping up out there e.g. brake issues, going into limp mode, major moonroof issues...
Ah, got it. Agreed that RDX and MDX have accomplished their mission. The US is getting rid of large sedans so I agree with you that the days of the TLX may be numbered.
Selling any sedan these days that isn't a cake walk, particularly if its not an EV or a Hybrid, or a compact fuel efficient sedan such as a Civic or Elantra. However, as a vehicle for the here and now, for me the TLX has been a delight for the past 18 months. Handling, quietness, transmission, climate control, idle stop, acceleration, brake hold, safety features, and seat comfort to name somme key features have all been first rate. Reliability has been excellent....we've even solved the puddle light issue! Of course, the looks inside and out are superior to many competitors, IMHO, which has been reinforced by comments I get every other day. I wouldn't trade it for an Audi 4, BMW3, Mercedes A or C class, etc. All good cars with lesser value quotients and aspects I don't love., including somewhat pedestrian looks. The fact that Ive built up an excellent relationship with folks at my dealership over the years, no doubt plays a big role in my loyalty to the brand.
When my lease is up in 21 months, its hard to predict whether I will move to the 2024 Acua EV SUV, or go back to Honda for a hybrid or EV car, or return to my earlier Toyota roots.
TYPE S is the real deal and this article nails it! Well done Acura for inventing an amazing machine. Every time, I see the new TLX outside, I tell myself...cannot wait to have one of these soon enough! Beautiful, elegant, aggressive and just unique.
TYPE S is the real deal and this article nails it! Well done Acura for inventing an amazing machine. Every time, I see the new TLX outside, I tell myself...cannot wait to have one of these soon enough! Beautiful, elegant, aggressive and just unique.
This reads like it was written by someone who has never driven the car, only had the brochure in front of them, and has no editor to fix all the misspellings and grammatical errors.
This reads like it was written by someone who has never driven the car, only had the brochure in front of them, and has no editor to fix all the misspellings and grammatical errors.
Because it probably was. Read the reviews about people who work for hotcars lol
I am sure these two videos were posted in the past but I re-watched them last night and I want to say these reviews are very much underrated. This guys points out all the pros and cons in a very detailed manner about the TLX and TLX TYPE S. Sure, he is not as funny as my Canadian folks, TSP or TH but sometimes you need mature and experienced reviewers to give you feedback and share their experience rather than "cool" reviews. Thumbs up to Driving Sports TV for the amazing and informative reviews. I love his comparison throughout the review with other similar vehicles in the segment.
If you Ire in the market and shopping around, I highly recommend watch the following two videos. It should be part of your homework
I am sure these two videos were posted in the past but I re-watched them last night and I want to say these reviews are very much underrated. This guys points out all the pros and cons in a very detailed manner about the TLX and TLX TYPE S. Sure, he is not as funny as my Canadian folks, TSP or TH but sometimes you need mature and experienced reviewers to give you feedback and share their experience rather than "cool" reviews. Thumbs up to Driving Sports TV for the amazing and informative reviews. I love his comparison throughout the review with other similar vehicles in the segment.
If you Ire in the market and shopping around, I highly recommend watch the following two videos. It should be part of your homework
Thanks for posting those! Here is what I've gathered so far after watching MANY professional reviews on YouTube about the Type S. Just about every one of them says it's a fantastic overall car and a wonderful daily driver. Yes, they say it's "slightly" slower than the average Sports Sedan in its class, but other than the G70 it's also much cheaper. Plus, they state that it's still more fun to drive than the competition despite being slower. In addition, the slight lack of power can be remedied with the upcoming KTuner Stage 1 release.
However, every "thread" I seem to read bashes it unbelievably with the sore spots being it's "slow as molasses", "smaller on the inside than a Yugo" and the touch pad is "terrible.". I'll tell you who I trust more and it's not the keyboard warriors. Lastly, a note about quite a few people saying the Accord is "better", or the TLX is a "shittier" Accord. These are of course my opinions.
I own a 2021 TLX Type S. I DID own a 2018 Accord Touring 2.0 with the Phearable stage 3 tune for over 3 years so I can compare from first hand experience.
Things the Accord is better at/does better.
Cost, MPG, backseat passenger room and a tiny bit bigger trunk. That's it. If there are small other advantages they are so minor I can't think of them at the moment.
The Accord is simply a "sporty" commuter car. The TLX, especially in the TYPE S variant is an actual sports sedan. Everyone cries about the Type S in a straight line but it would still easily out accelerate my stage 3 tuned Accord, blows it AWAY in the corners and has much better braking performance. Plus, the TLX is just a lot more fun to drive.
The only way I see where you can say the TLX and the Accord are somewhat comparable is if comparing an Accord Touring 20.T to a base model, FWD only 2.0 TLX.
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Thanks for posting those! Here is what I've gathered so far after watching MANY professional reviews on YouTube about the Type S. Just about every one of them says it's a fantastic overall car and a wonderful daily driver. Yes, they say it's "slightly" slower than the average Sports Sedan in its class, but other than the G70 it's also much cheaper. Plus, they state that it's still more fun to drive than the competition despite being slower. In addition, the slight lack of power can be remedied with the upcoming KTuner Stage 1 release.
However, every "thread" I seem to read bashes it unbelievably with the sore spots being it's "slow as molasses", "smaller on the inside than a Yugo" and the touch pad is "terrible.". I'll tell you who I trust more and it's not the keyboard warriors. Lastly, a note about quite a few people saying the Accord is "better", or the TLX is a "shittier" Accord. These are of course my opinions.
I own a 2021 TLX Type S. I DID own a 2018 Accord Touring 2.0 with the Phearable stage 3 tune for over 3 years so I can compare from first hand experience.
Things the Accord is better at/does better.
Cost, MPG, backseat passenger room and a tiny bit bigger trunk. That's it. If there are small other advantages they are so minor I can't think of them at the moment.
The Accord is simply a "sporty" commuter car. The TLX, especially in the TYPE S variant is an actual sports sedan. Everyone cries about the Type S in a straight line but it would still easily out accelerate my stage 3 tuned Accord, blows it AWAY in the corners and has much better braking performance. Plus, the TLX is just a lot more fun to drive.
The only way I see where you can say the TLX and the Accord are somewhat comparable is if comparing an Accord Touring 20.T to a base model, FWD only 2.0 TLX.
Excellent summary! Couldn’t say it any better. I cut tall the noise now and doesn’t matter who writes what. Unfortunately, Acura has a lot of keyboard “fans” and people that never tried the TLX but they comment based off magazine or YouTube reviewers.
To clarify one thing: the backseat of TLX is absolutely fine for majority of people. Yes, if you’re 5.9 or 6.2 it’s small. About a month ago, I tried with two front facing baby car seats. Actually it’s not horrible at all. Since the car is wide, it feel much bigger and airy than IS and A4.
That said, the TLX and TLX TYPE S are amazing cars… once again, if you’re in the market and want a sport sedan. Go test drive different cars, do your homework and decide for yourself. I am sure the TLX won’t meet everyone’s needs but that’s fine. Go get something else.
Excellent summary! Couldn’t say it any better. I cut tall the noise now and doesn’t matter who writes what. Unfortunately, Acura has a lot of keyboard “fans” and people that never tried the TLX but they comment based off magazine or YouTube reviewers.
To clarify one thing: the backseat of TLX is absolutely fine for majority of people. Yes, if you’re 5.9 or 6.2 it’s small. About a month ago, I tried with two front facing baby car seats. Actually it’s not horrible at all. Since the car is wide, it feel much bigger and airy than IS and A4.
That said, the TLX and TLX TYPE S are amazing cars… once again, if you’re in the market and want a sport sedan. Go test drive different cars, do your homework and decide for yourself. I am sure the TLX won’t meet everyone’s needs but that’s fine. Go get something else.
its ok Tony you don’t gotta sell me on it cause I’m already sold on it
I actually do plan on test driving the M340i as I’m curious as to just how fast they are.
But the reviews were spot on about the TLX it is a great car all-around it’s like the “Jack of all trades, master of none” kinda sedan it’s not the best at everything but it’s certainly not the worst.
Just wish the TLX Type-S price point stayed around ~$50k
Excellent summary! Couldn’t say it any better. I cut tall the noise now and doesn’t matter who writes what. Unfortunately, Acura has a lot of keyboard “fans” and people that never tried the TLX but they comment based off magazine or YouTube reviewers.
To clarify one thing: the backseat of TLX is absolutely fine for majority of people. Yes, if you’re 5.9 or 6.2 it’s small. About a month ago, I tried with two front facing baby car seats. Actually it’s not horrible at all. Since the car is wide, it feel much bigger and airy than IS and A4.
That said, the TLX and TLX TYPE S are amazing cars… once again, if you’re in the market and want a sport sedan. Go test drive different cars, do your homework and decide for yourself. I am sure the TLX won’t meet everyone’s needs but that’s fine. Go get something else.
I agree, the backseat is plenty usable. I mean, who in their right mind would buy the TLX if their main purpose was backseat room? Wouldn't you just get an SUV? I fit my three daughters back there easily, and my Wife rides back there as well from time to time and none of them have ever complained, and trust me, they don't have a problem complaining!
Originally Posted by MarcoTLX
its ok Tony you don’t gotta sell me on it cause I’m already sold on it
I actually do plan on test driving the M340i as I’m curious as to just how fast they are.
But the reviews were spot on about the TLX it is a great car all-around it’s like the “Jack of all trades, master of none” kinda sedan it’s not the best at everything but it’s certainly not the worst.
Just wish the TLX Type-S price point stayed around ~$50k
Have you driven one? A little backstory about my purchase. I actually had an RS3 on order. The TLX Type S was not even on my radar due to the negative things I read about it on the internet. My local dealership had one in stock so I figured what the hell, I'll drive it just so I can say I did. Long story short, I'm SO glad that I did. That very day I left with the Type S and cancelled my RS3 order. The Type S is MORE than the sum of it's parts, it's a special car that needs to be driven to understand why. I do agree with the "Jack of all trades, Master of none". It might not be the best at any one category, but it's damn good at a bunch of them.
Have you driven one? A little backstory about my purchase. I actually had an RS3 on order. The TLX Type S was not even on my radar due to the negative things I read about it on the internet. My local dealership had one in stock so I figured what the hell, I'll drive it just so I can say I did. Long story short, I'm SO glad that I did. That very day I left with the Type S and cancelled my RS3 order. The Type S is MORE than the sum of it's parts, it's a special car that needs to be driven to understand why. I do agree with the "Jack of all trades, Master of none". It might not be the best at any one category, but it's damn good at a bunch of them.
I actually driven a Type-S on several occasions my conclusion is that it is a dope car, it’s pretty darn fast, handling is on-point with the SH-AWD, exterior design commands your attention when you see it on the road, interior is slightly tight but it’s well designed.
One of my favorite novelties about the 2nd Gen TLX (inclusive of the Type-S) is how the center dash illuminates and welcomes you into the car with the Acura logo animation when you get in and close the door. The start-up sequence after you push the engine start button! I don’t know too many other sedans in the segment that welcomes the driver in the car like that.
Those things and other reasons stated in this thread is why I’m dead set on getting a Type-S. if not a new 2023 model, then a used one at a reasonable price. Im gonna make it happen this time
its ok Tony you don’t gotta sell me on it cause I’m already sold on it
I actually do plan on test driving the M340i as I’m curious as to just how fast they are.
Probably best not to test drive the M340, when you don't know what you are missing sometimes that's a better place to be. Particularly if you care a lot about performance.
Probably best not to test drive the M340, when you don't know what you are missing sometimes that's a better place to be. Particularly if you care a lot about performance.
I would say the same regarding an EV. Test drive one and after that all ICEs feel very slow. For instance, a simple M3P makes everything in it’s class feel EXTREMELY slow.
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Have you driven one? A little backstory about my purchase. I actually had an RS3 on order. The TLX Type S was not even on my radar due to the negative things I read about it on the internet. My local dealership had one in stock so I figured what the hell, I'll drive it just so I can say I did. Long story short, I'm SO glad that I did. That very day I left with the Type S and cancelled my RS3 order. The Type S is MORE than the sum of it's parts, it's a special car that needs to be driven to understand why. I do agree with the "Jack of all trades, Master of none". It might not be the best at any one category, but it's damn good at a bunch of them.
I'm curious, did you test drive the RS3 too? I haven't had a chance to drive the latest generation, but I did the previous, and I would take the RS3 over the Type S in a heartbeat. It's just in a whole different league in terms of performance. I do think the TLX is nicer inside and would make a better daily driver, but the handling, speed, and sound the RS3 makes is just heads and shoulders above.
Probably best not to test drive the M340, when you don't know what you are missing sometimes that's a better place to be. Particularly if you care a lot about performance.
I think that's the thing with the Type S. If you test drive only it and nothing else, you'll be 100% happy with the car. In a vacuum, it's a pretty good car. It's a great first performance-ish car. The issue is that once you test drive some of the competition, you realize what it could have been in this segment, and it's hard not to feel like it's underachieving a bit.
I would say the same regarding an EV. Test drive one and after that all ICEs feel very slow. For instance, a simple M3P makes everything in it’s class feel EXTREMELY slow.
Yes, I can see that, however that’s something that just doesn’t feel engaging. A friend of mine had a GTR and sold it for a Tesla Plaid. Absolutely BRUTAL acceleration, but as a full package it left much to be desired. Ridiculous steering wheel, terrible interior for a $160k vehicle and just not an exciting drive.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
I'm curious, did you test drive the RS3 too? I haven't had a chance to drive the latest generation, but I did the previous, and I would take the RS3 over the Type S in a heartbeat. It's just in a whole different league in terms of performance. I do think the TLX is nicer inside and would make a better daily driver, but the handling, speed, and sound the RS3 makes is just heads and shoulders above.
I didn’t. I looked at one in person several times but it was a customers on hold. I did sit inside and test out an S3. The interior wasn’t as nice, nor was the stereo, and gasp, the inside was smaller than the TLX. I’m sure the RS3 is amazing, and it’s faster in a straight line than the TLX, but as a daily driver I just couldn’t think of a reason that it would be worth it to pay $15k more for. (No msrp markup but they make you buy Audi Care.). Plus, I do think the RS3 is attractive, but in a blend in, subtle kind of way. The TLX has a really good looking, stand out from the crowd design.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
I think that's the thing with the Type S. If you test drive only it and nothing else, you'll be 100% happy with the car. In a vacuum, it's a pretty good car. It's a great first performance-ish car. The issue is that once you test drive some of the competition, you realize what it could have been in this segment, and it's hard not to feel like it's underachieving a bit.
Underachieving in what other than straight line performance? Some have a littler larger interior space, some smaller. Some are faster, some slower but as a complete package it’s a really good option. And just for some more back story, I’m a performance kind of guy. My last project car was a 1989 Nissan 240SX. I had about $35k in it including full color change paint job, full engine swap, etc. 12 years ago it ran an 11.5 at 119mph in the quarter on pump gas. Drove it to the strip, swapped my sticks and just rocked it. Honestly, it could have ran 10’s. This was a full interior street car. I guess what I’m getting at is there is more to a vehicle than just straight line performance. I also think the older you get, the more you realize it. In my past I would have sold my soul for 10 extra horses!
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Not sure if the Type S is for you if this is true. We get ourselves in trouble when we lie to ourselves!
I think your reading comprehension needs some brushing up. Again, more to performance than straight line performance. For example, the Type S makes peak torque from 1400 all the way to 5000 rpm’s. That makes it feel beastly anywhere from part to 90% throttle. Which, is where the mass majority of the population spend their time driving.
Not sure if the Type S is for you if this is true. We get ourselves in trouble when we lie to ourselves!
What defines a performance car, based on your criteria?
Some are having trouble grasping the concept where someone is willing to give up speed for comfort in a daily driver. If one can’t afford or has the space for multiple cars, then I understand why someone will be willing to give up for comfort for speed. But this topic has been beaten to death numerous times on these forums.
Kind of reminds me of another community where one person was saying how much faster his car was than the photo of an OP’s TLX Type S. OP responded with a picture of his NSX in the garage. Truth is, many people don’t care about daily drivers being faster or slower than another.
People already have their minds made up on the TLX so there’s nothing that can change opinions.
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Yes, I can see that, however that’s something that just doesn’t feel engaging. A friend of mine had a GTR and sold it for a Tesla Plaid. Absolutely BRUTAL acceleration, but as a full package it left much to be desired. Ridiculous steering wheel, terrible interior for a $160k vehicle and just not an exciting drive.
I didn’t. I looked at one in person several times but it was a customers on hold. I did sit inside and test out an S3. The interior wasn’t as nice, nor was the stereo, and gasp, the inside was smaller than the TLX. I’m sure the RS3 is amazing, and it’s faster in a straight line than the TLX, but as a daily driver I just couldn’t think of a reason that it would be worth it to pay $15k more for. (No msrp markup but they make you buy Audi Care.). Plus, I do think the RS3 is attractive, but in a blend in, subtle kind of way. The TLX has a really good looking, stand out from the crowd design.
Underachieving in what other than straight line performance? Some have a littler larger interior space, some smaller. Some are faster, some slower but as a complete package it’s a really good option. And just for some more back story, I’m a performance kind of guy. My last project car was a 1989 Nissan 240SX. I had about $35k in it including full color change paint job, full engine swap, etc. 12 years ago it ran an 11.5 at 119mph in the quarter on pump gas. Drove it to the strip, swapped my sticks and just rocked it. Honestly, it could have ran 10’s. This was a full interior street car. I guess what I’m getting at is there is more to a vehicle than just straight line performance. I also think the older you get, the more you realize it. In my past I would have sold my soul for 10 extra horses!
I feel it underachieves in a few area. The obvious one is performance: its extra mass puts it behind the eight ball. If it has the same dimensions as the Integra (inside and out) and kept all of the same hardware it currently has, it would not only be more practical than the competition but would also outperform the competition. But alas it doesn’t for the sake of looks. Precision crafted performance is more like precision crafted aesthetics. As it is, the car feels “fast” until you test drive some of the competition.
I’m also not a fan of the power delivery. They prioritize low end and midrange, which makes it good for a DD, but there’s no excitement or wow factor unlike the B58, which feels faster throughout the entire powerband. Hondas engines are able to be exciting and fun even if they’re not the fastest, but thus one just didn’t do it for me.
And of course, it’s not the most practical, but we’ve discussed that ad nauseum.
I think your reading comprehension needs some brushing up. Again, more to performance than straight line performance. For example, the Type S makes peak torque from 1400 all the way to 5000 rpm’s. That makes it feel beastly anywhere from part to 90% throttle. Which, is where the mass majority of the population spend their time driving.
Originally Posted by richii0207
What defines a performance car, based on your criteria?
Some are having trouble grasping the concept where someone is willing to give up speed for comfort in a daily driver. If one can’t afford or has the space for multiple cars, then I understand why someone will be willing to give up for comfort for speed. But this topic has been beaten to death numerous times on these forums.
People already have their minds made up on the TLX so there’s nothing that can change opinions.
0-60: we know the Type S isn't the fastest and this is not in dispute
Braking: since it's not the fastest, it should be able to stop on a dime, right? If going from 70-0 mph at 165 ft is stopping on a dime, then sign me up!
Handling: although I miss taking curvy ramps at double the speed limit when I had SHAWD, it's not something I want to keep doing (know what I mean?)
Grip: an impressive 0.96 g rating (with summer tires of course)
BadMoonRyzen, are you confusing "great daily driver" with "performance car"? A performance car has very little to no compromises in any of the categories I've listed.
09-27-2022, 07:49 AM
and I laugh and tell him, go buy a Lexus or Acura. 
