1Louder

My former 2015 TLX did that too. Created some tense moments on the highway especially if the lane you were trying to jump into was going 60-70 and you were at 35. Eventually I just settled on the idea that I had to allow for extra room and couldn't cut it close.

Big_Slick

It's only happened 2 or 3 times and now I basically treat it like a hi-reving manual (I had CRX Si's that were great when kept in the right gear) and downshift, that fixes the response issue.

The fact is I expect a 60K 355HP Type S luxury sports sedan to respond to throttle input without having to downshift to build the boost up in the twin-scroll turbo. I still love the car and do not regret the purchase. I just think Acura should have went with a true twin turbo.

1Louder

I know a mild hybrid adds weight, but some electrification could be a nice solution to that too. My current hybrid has immediate grunt regardless of the speed, and since it's only needed for a couple seconds it would not require huge batteries. But I doubt there is room for the batts and motors.

Big_Slick

Oh yeah! Give me an extra 60HP instant low end hit from a hybrid (put it in the trunk, there's room without the spare tire) and that would make me smile and that from a old school guy who hates electric cars.

ELIN

I would have paid a little more for no lag but that’s just me. Think about the folks who don’t test drive this car or had a limited test drive. It will come as a shock what 60k gets them.

richii0207

The car is closer to 50k than 60k if we are rounding. Just thought I’d point that out before someone thinks the MSRP is close to 60k.

ELIN

I'd just like to point out that it's extremely hard to get this car at MSRP. Local dealers (including my own) automatically have a $5k or more markup above MSRP. This is the reality we're in.

Big_Slick

With the ADM - 2,500 - and the performance wheels and arctic white is was 60K out the door for me. MSRP is over 55K, don't know where you're getting one for closer to 50K.

richii0207

MSRP is not MSRP + AMD(whatever markup the dealer wants to add, could be $20k which I’ve seen). It doesn’t mean that the Type S is $70k. You can get one for MSRP at a dealer that’s not looking to rip you off. MSRP is $53,700 without the performance package, which is closer to 50k, not 60k.

If you want one at MSRP, I suggest going on the FB site where salesman and owners list which dealers can offer at MSRP.

Just because your local dealer decides to be greedy and overcharge for their products doesn’t mean that every dealership does the same. One dealership near me wants 20k ADM whereas another across town sells at MSRP. Do a better job looking if you want one at MSRP.

ADM charges are unfortunate, whether it’s for a vette, Supra, BRZ/86, or many other vehicles. Don’t pay for ADM. It reminds me of the time I shopped for my CTR where dealers wanted an ADM.

ELIN

Not everyone has FB or cares for FB. After FB's second major security breach, I decided it wasn't worth the risk to keep up with friends/family virtually. I was able to find other means that were less invasive.

Do you know of another method to get access to this dealer network that won't force you to pay ADM other than FB?

Big_Slick

The MSRP is over 55K. That's a fact. Whether I - and many others - chose to pay a premium is our choice. It still doesn't make a Type S 70K nor are there any available at 50K. In any event, I wasn't talking about the price other than to say a 60K sports sedan should not have an rare acceleration 'lag'.

richii0207

Where are you located? I’ll check the page for a dealer near you at MSRP.

richii0207

Perhaps the MSRP is over $55k where you live. This is the MSRP in the US, straight from the site, so it’s a fact. What country do you live in?

ELIN

The question was not to help me but others who have been looking for a good deal on TLX Type S in AZ.

ELIN

It is quite common to include destination charge when quoting MSRP. What you have shown doesn't include destination.

Colors other than MSM are automatically $500 more so MSRP is over $55k for most people.

ApexBlue

The “lag” when punching it from a stop is not turbo lag in my opinion, but Acura tuning the throttle response to protect the driveline. Peak torque happens at 1400 RPM, so the turbo has no problem spinning up quickly.

Still super annoying, and not something that one should have to deal with in a 50k + sport sedan. Especially when the competition doesn’t seem to have this issue.

What’s the point of having a high(ish) horsepower motor and AWD if you can’t do the occasional hard launch? 😁

Tesla1856

Agree on all statements.

Yeah, I noticed it (and posted here about it) about 18 months ago (feel free to look back in my posting history). Didn't seem like it was the engine to me either. I thought maybe those first G2 TLX just need a firmware-upgrade. Now (after all this time), it appears that they like it that way.

I know, old news, who cares. Thing is , it's the main reason I didn't buy it and started looking around at others.

Honda430

Both Audi and BMW exlude destinations charges from MSRP. Go to the sites if you need proof.

Big_Slick

Delray Acura, 55,600 with paint and performance wheels.

Big_Slick

I think you're right about them pulling some power down low under 'normal' driving conditions when suddenly punching it. But the car launches great from a dead stop, with and without brake boosting.
If all I was interested in was 0-60 times I would have bought a HellCat. This car is a well balanced sports car that's the best handling car I've ever driven, love how it pulls through the corners under hard acceleration.

ELIN

Again, I was only talking about how regular consumers like us talk to each other when quoting MSRP…unless you are not a consumer…

ESHBG

"Starting at" with an *, this car is not being sold for $53,700.

richii0207

Some dealerships do not sell with a markup. Got mine for under 53k new, which I think MSRP was 52k at that time, then inflation happened and prices of everything went up. How much was your Type S or were you quoted if you were shopping for one?


Last time I posted a price for a vehicle from their site on here that wasn’t an Acura (330i built to same spec as the Type S which was 53k if I can recall), I was told “nobody is paying that much for it, you can buy for less”. I do the same exact thing but for an Acura, and now the tune has changed to “They are selling for more than that”. Which is it?

This reminds me of people saying that Acura is doing a bad job with the TLX Type S since there are none available at dealerships. But then claim on a different thread Acura is doing a bad job with the MDX Type S since they have so many on the lot…

Cant have a double standard.

dmski

Are you serious? Audi's have a noticeable lag as well when you just punch it out of the blue. S4/S5 suffer from this. I noticed when test driving them and most reviwers say the same thing. Audi's launch much harder though from a stop, especially when using launch control. But how often do you launch your car while daily driving it.

richii0207

Every red light and stop sign I can hopefully catch. I live my life one quarter mile at a time so 0-60 and 1/4 times mean everything to me. That’s why I daily slicks, every second counts. /s

If they thought that modern cars have turbo lag, they should try drive the older turbo cars or a big turbo car. That’s why some prefer NA on the track (more responsive).

ESHBG

When did you buy yours and in what part of the country?

None, as I have zero interest in this car now from an ownership perspective. But I can tell you what they are listed for and going for in my area, and it is not $53,700.

Your comparison is not apples to apples due to all of the variables between manufacturers/dealerships.

Another comparison that is not apples to apples and both can be true, especially considering you are comparing two completely different types of vehicles.

richii0207

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ESHBG

Because you wrote your post in a bizarre way I can't quote it normally so doing it this way:

Last year. SoFlo.
You cannot compare what you did a year ago and in one of the cheaper parts of the country (historically) to others. EVERYTHING is up price-wise and inventory with Acura is still bad for the most part.

That’s what I’ve been saying. Variables in dealerships with some charging ADM and others selling at MSRP. Why can we say that it varies per dealer for that brand but not Acura?
I am disputing your $53,700 quote, as that is not MSRP and is a "starting at" figure with * fine print.

They are both Acuras. But the statement was to point out that the same users are saying that no inventory is bad in the TLX forum but then go to the MDX and complain that having inventory is bad since it means they can’t sell them…damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Those are complainers about everything and always try to find something negative. Must be fun to be at a bar with them.
So what if they are both Acuras? The TLX and MDX have no similarities otherwise because they are not the same type of vehicle and I doubt very much someone who was dead set on a TLX would say ah you know what on second thought, this seven passenger monster SUV is close enough. And having no inventory is bad along with having too many vehicles that aren't selling. And going one step further Acura is still having inventory issues yet the MDX-S is sitting so that says an awful lot.

Big_Slick

I've been driving for over 50 years and had manual transmission N/A engines, V8's with low end and hi-reving VTEC 4's when commuting. I hate turbo lag but test drove a Infiniti Q50 Lux (300 HP tune). It has twin-turbos and there is no detectable turbo lag - just a strong hit. Twin-scroll is just not as good as two small turbos.

Anyway - I'll stop complaining because I love the overall performance and handling of the Type S.

Tesla1856

1. Dead serious. And remember, I'm just agreeing with the guy above (and all the others ... with a SHAWD version ... which is best feature ever).

2. Are you serious? Did you test drive one with a 45TFSI (or better) or maybe just an old/broken one? Raiti does good Audi reviews.

3. So we agree on that. But Launch-Control (or brake-boosting) is too much trouble for me. I just drop in down to S (instead of D) and floor-it.

4. At least once-or-twice. The (external traffic) conditions must be right. I also have to be in a good mood.

Tesla1856

In my large Texas city ...

I finally saw a G2 TLX on the road today. They were going the other way, so not sure if it was a 2.0T or the Type-S.

I first noticed the aggressive front-end, but the tattle-take sign was the plastic sensor shield on the front grill.

richii0207

!!!! Speed racer here on the street! You should get a track car for your fix.
I’m surprised you didn’t get a Tesla as a DD since you enjoy accelerating. The M3P is quick. Buddy just got a plaid, want to see how that feels for giggles.

I feel it’s easier to distinguish a car from the front fascia with the light and grill design than a logo.

Tesla1856

No, not that into it. Never feels un-safe on public streets (I would not do it if it was).

I just want an all-around nice daily-driver.

Still not sold on full-EV. ICE for me. We both like the wife's PHEV, but that's as far as we are willing to go at this point.

Legend2TL

Owner who had mod'ed his car talks a little about the puddle light failures and Acura has a new forthcoming superseded part number for the puddle light assembly

Tesla1856

Good honest review.

The brake and rotor problems are surprising ... and that comment he made about all Honda/Acura rotors warping eventually.

The ones on my 87 Honda Accord DID-WARP (early under 15k miles) but they were pretty small back then and it had the FWD and automatic transmission). The ones on the wife's 88 Accord 4-dr did not, nor did any of the other Hondas or Acuras in my sig . We kept them all a good while.

ELIN

Wonder if the "expected" rotor warping is related to the brakes juddering that some folks are experiencing?

leomio2.0

How the Hell ... so, with the new 11G CTR being leaked a couple days ago, looked at the rear legroom (he mentions it in the review) for the new Civic and it's 2.5" more than the TLX. How?! I mean, with dealers being scumbags, even after the market cools, the CTR and TLX-S are going to be about the same price, but you're telling me the CTR is actually more practical? I mean, the TLX-S has AWD, but a good set of snows will fix that issue with the CTR, plus the CTR will have a hatch. Come on ...

fiatlux

We've known for a long time that the 11G Civic rear legroom is far suprior to that of the TLX. Hell, even the 10G Civic had more rear legroom.

It's probably a wash in terms of overall practicality. I believe the FL5 CTR will be a 4-seater, much like the FK8 CTR. However, the TLX middle seat is pretty much useless for anyone over 5'4. The TLX is wider and has more hip room, but the CTR will have more legroom. TLX has a longer trunk, CTR trunk is shorter but likely has more volume.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Honda has historically been an engineering-driven company, and their best products showcase that. Practicallity oriented, efficient use of materials, well-packaged, intuitive and easy to use, well thought out, and doing more with less. The TLX is the complete anti-thesis of that. They made so many trade-offs in the interest of design/aesthetics that really put the engineering team behind the eight-ball.

richii0207

Definitely not more practical. CTR and Type S owner here. Worlds apart in comfort, convenience, and audio. I wouldn’t mind driving the CTR for long trips which I have, but my back will thank me once I’m there and the audio/seats/front seating space makes it much more enjoyable. On the backroads or track is a different story.
Yes there is less legroom with the TLX but other than that, the overall comfort is much better. At the end of the day, a CTR rides like a regular civic if your on a highway.

fiatlux

Comfort and audio has nothing to do with practicality. If it did, then a Mercedes SL would be more practical than a Honda Fit. Practicality is about usability, utility, and versatility.