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The 6.5 seconds is the same as C&D estimated like a week ago. Did he test 0-60 in the video? (No he didn’t.)
The RDX AWD 2.0t is also right around 6.5 seconds to 60 and it weighs 4000 lbs. I might be wrong but I don’t believe we’ve seen a curb weight for the new TLX. The reason to believe the TLX would be faster than the RDX comes down to potentially less weight (current TLX AWD is 3800 lbs) and the engine having a different code designation so maybe they’ve improved something from the RDX that would allow it to be quicker
But I also expect for them to limit the torque in the low gears to save the SHAWD system like they do in the RDX so it might just be down to weight. I suppose another possibility is changing the tranny programming and gaining .1-.2 seconds that way.
This is why we've all been saying it's going to perform roughly the same as the RDX, and much slower than the Accord. It's not like we're just pulling guesses out of our asses here.
And lest anyone thinks that I'm going to rag on this car if/when the acceleration numbers are subpar, let it be known that I've already said that it doesn't matter if the car is actually fast, so long as it feels fast.
The important thing here to note is that if you evaluate this car based on how Acura has been marketing it and the rest of the lineup, it's not going to live up to expectations. Is it "that kind of thrill"? Nope. Is it better than all the other competitors, as implied by the "Beat That" campaign? Nope. Is it going to be a performance car with a little bit of luxury, as suggested by "Precision Crafted Performance"?: Nope.
However, if you evaluate it based on what it really is, namely a premium/luxury car with a dose of performance/sporty pretense, then it's probably going to be pretty good. It'll probably handle pretty well, it'll probably be pretty comfortable and easy to drive, it'll have a bunch of standard features at a lower price point, it'll be nice and quiet, the powertrain will be nice and smooth, and it looks great inside and out. I'm expecting it to be a pretty good all-around car, but I'm also expecting it to be a pretty lousy performance-oriented sports sedan. Does that make me a hater? I don't know, but what I do know is that I have a low tolerance for blind fanaticism coupled with the inability to concede that maybe, just maybe, there are faults with the car and how it's being marketed/hyped up.
FFS stop with this back and forth calling each other out and passive aggressively being dicks, the reviews for the 2.0T comes out with actual numbers withing a few days... For the rest of us, Wait till spring. All these posts for non reviews... Don't make me turn this car around and take EVERYBODY HOME.
FFS stop with this back and forth calling each other out and passive aggressively being dicks, the reviews for the 2.0T comes out with actual numbers withing a few days... For the rest of us, Wait till spring. All these posts for non reviews... Don't make me turn this car around and take EVERYBODY HOME.
Passive aggressively being dicks? I don't know what you've been smoking, but I'm pretty sure I've been actively aggressively being a dick . There ain't nothing passive about my writing.
Passive aggressively being dicks? I don't know what you've been smoking, but I'm pretty sure I've been actively aggressively being a dick . There ain't nothing passive about my writing.
I'm talking about generally everyone, not just you Mr! I'm taking away your cellphone first! You'll get it back after actual numbers!
passive aggressively being dicks? I don't know what you've been smoking, but i'm pretty sure i've been actively aggressively being a dick :d. There ain't nothing passive about my writing.
Nope. And I had a scheduled appointment for a test drive. I am leaning towards an Advance, that’s the one I sat in, I want the graystone interior.
That's really annoying and I would reconsider buying from this dealership if you have that option.
But yes if buying this car the Advance does seem to be the way to go, pointless to buy a trim that looks fast but really isn't and is missing some critical creature comforts, especially for a "near luxury" vehicle (although I would vote for removing "near" at these prices, it's definitely crossing over).
I think I may have seen this already but drawing a blank, any shots of what the Advance trim looks like inside at night?
FFS stop with this back and forth calling each other out and passive aggressively being dicks, the reviews for the 2.0T comes out with actual numbers withing a few days... For the rest of us, Wait till spring. All these posts for non reviews... Don't make me turn this car around and take EVERYBODY HOME.
Nice to see some real genuine first impressions of it coming off the truck
He did say " so this is the base right " with the brown on the door, which that is not true from what I understand, but the brown is nice I must say. Would be nice if that was standard on base models (EDIT: Maybe I am wrong. That is the base. Not bad )
Funny how this random guy with 16 subs showed me more than anyone else so far with some nice insight. Deff watch this
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I downloaded the video and checked the frame count at the start of the run and when it hits 60. Looks like it gets there right around ~6.3s or so.
Edit: FML I can't do math. it's more like 6.6 based on these stills
Going to be honest here.... sounds like shit and moves like shit. For me it's Type S or nothing. If I was to get rid of my 1G TLX and Type S was not an option, no way I'm getting this car....
Going to be honest here.... sounds like shit and moves like shit. For me it's Type S or nothing. If I was to get rid of my 1G TLX and Type S was not an option, no way I'm getting this car....
I could be wrong, but I think the engine sounds are enhanced through the speakers while in sport mode.
I could be wrong, but I think the engine sounds are enhanced through the speakers while in sport mode.
The cars.com review mentioned that the car is so quiet they they’re piping in both intake and exhaust noise through the speaker to make it sound more like a V6.
Ok, well performance is a disappointment. 0-80mph acceleration is like my 10 year old MDX. This is an upgrade for 2.4 TLX owners, but v6 engine owners performance is a downgrade.
Problem is that Acura is positioning it self "performance" brand, but there is no performance at least at this moment.
I would not pay 47k for advance model, there is no way. It is a great base engine, but not enough for middle tear customer.
In mid cycle I assume there will be "detuned Type-S v6 engine" for upper trims (like Infiniti is doing with Q50/Q60). Or different tune and turbo for a 4 banger.
So for the customer like me, who loves performance, it is of the list. At least at this price.
The cars.com review mentioned that the car is so quiet they they’re piping in both intake and exhaust noise through the speaker to make it sound more like a V6.
almost every car does this now a days due to strict regulations. This is nothing new. My Benz and Audi did as well. With the bmw it can actually be turned off.
The cars.com review mentioned that the car is so quiet they they’re piping in both intake and exhaust noise through the speaker to make it sound more like a V6.
Do they have the "active cabin noise cancellation" function ? The speakers will emit sound waves of opposite phase to the cabin noise, so as to artificially make the interior super quiet ? The RLX had this feature.
Do they have the "active cabin noise cancellation" function ? The speakers will emit sound waves of opposite phase to the cabin noise, so as to artificially make the interior super quiet ? The RLX had this feature.
1G TLX has that as well so I imagine the answer is yes.
He did say " so this is the base right " with the brown on the door, which that is not true from what I understand, but the brown is nice I must say.
I think it is the Base model, because those are the 18inch wheels .
Right, we have never really seen what a base-model looks like inside.
- Advance has wood.
- ASpec has something gray and pattern
- Tech Package has ???
Strange that none of these cars appeared to be wrapped in outer plastic coverings while on truck.
Do they have the "active cabin noise cancellation" function ? The speakers will emit sound waves of opposite phase to the cabin noise, so as to artificially make the interior super quiet ? The RLX had this feature.
2014-MDX did not (it was quiet as it should be). I mean, if you revved the engine, you could hear engine rev outside, but that's it.
Piping-in engine noise? Seriously ? Like air vents or something over the speakers ? I'm confused.
Ok, well performance is a disappointment. 0-80mph acceleration is like my 10 year old MDX. This is an upgrade for 2.4 TLX owners, but v6 engine owners performance is a downgrade.
Problem is that Acura is positioning it self "performance" brand, but there is no performance at least at this moment.
I would not pay 47k for advance model, there is no way. It is a great base engine, but not enough for middle tear customer.
In mid cycle I assume there will be "detuned Type-S v6 engine" for upper trims (like Infiniti is doing with Q50/Q60). Or different tune and turbo for a 4 banger.
So for the customer like me, who loves performance, it is of the list. At least at this price.
This!!! Apsolutely agree. Detuned Type S with a smaller turbo. At the very least it would match 1G or beat it and the hefty price increase would make some sense.
I got into a 2021 A-Spec TLX today at Paragon Acura and noticed that the rear view mirror has 4 buttons on the bottom.
Nothing in the manual is there a mention of the left 3 buttons. I assume they have something to do with Acuralink.
I don’t quite get the fascination with 0-60 when 5-60 “rolling start” times can be much more indicative of what you’ll experience, say, after turning onto a freeway ramp and making a bit of a pause to check cross traffic. Like is a 0-60 situation all that common in the real world? I’m really asking here. The numbers are quite interesting.
For instance Car and Driver tested the 2019 330xi at 5.2 seconds to 60. The 5-60 time? 6.4 seconds!
C&D tested the 2019 C300 at 5.6 seconds to 60. 5-60 was also 6.4 seconds.
G1 TLX V6 models weren’t as fast 0-60 as the above models but were faster in the 5-60. (5.7/5.9)
The 2019 RDX ASpec AWD was tested 6.6 seconds to 60 with a 7.0 5-60 time. An X3 is faster 0-60 but slower from 5-60 (6.2/7.5). All by C&D (which typically has the fastest 0-60 times.)
Its clear that Acura doesn’t prioritize 0-60 times. I’ll be interested to see where the TLX 2.0t ends up in the 5-60 category especially.
Also this whole conversation is sort of dumb because comparing these times across years and weather conditions and everything else is silly. I’m not saying the TLX will beat the 330 in a 0-60 race if you line them up...but a 5-60 test side by side will prob end up being pretty damn close.
For tomorrow though I’m most interested in the drive, the tech, and the overall impressions. Numbers will come later.
I got into a 2021 A-Spec TLX today at Paragon Acura and noticed that the rear view mirror has 4 buttons on the bottom.
Nothing in the manual is there a mention of the left 3 buttons. I assume they have something to do with Acuralink.
RDX mirror has 3 buttons that are for home link. My guess is those are for home link.
I don’t quite get the fascination with 0-60 when 5-60 “rolling start” times can be much more indicative of what you’ll experience, say, after turning onto a freeway ramp and making a bit of a pause to check cross traffic. Like is a 0-60 situation all that common in the real world? I’m really asking here. The numbers are quite interesting.
For instance Car and Driver tested the 2019 330xi at 5.2 seconds to 60. The 5-60 time? 6.4 seconds!
C&D tested the 2019 C300 at 5.6 seconds to 60. 5-60 was also 6.4 seconds.
G1 TLX V6 models weren’t as fast 0-60 as the above models but were faster in the 5-60. (5.7/5.9)
The 2019 RDX ASpec AWD was tested 6.6 seconds to 60 with a 7.0 5-60 time. An X3 is faster 0-60 but slower from 5-60 (6.2/7.5). All by C&D (which typically has the fastest 0-60 times.)
Its clear that Acura doesn’t prioritize 0-60 times. I’ll be interested to see where the TLX 2.0t ends up in the 5-60 category especially.
Also this whole conversation is sort of dumb because comparing these times across years and weather conditions and everything else is silly. I’m not saying the TLX will beat the 330 in a 0-60 race if you line them up...but a 5-60 test side by side will prob end up being pretty damn close.
For tomorrow though I’m most interested in the drive, the tech, and the overall impressions. Numbers will come later.
I totally agree that 5-60 is more important than 0-60. However, at this point we can only use 0-60 as a proxy for it until C&D does their instrumented testing. Seeing as how 0-60 right now appears to be in the mid-6 range just like the RDX, it wouldn't be a stretch to speculate that 5-60 for this car will match the RDX's 7.0s, which puts it well behind the A4, 330xi, and C300.
The 0-60 video honestly looks similar to how stock RDX behaves - the transmission slips to let rev climb up, so the engine is ready to rock in and above 2nd gear. It is not ideal but once I saw the cornering part, all is forgiven. The chassis response is indeed very crisp! The initial damping seems better tuned than RDX, and looks like the front-end has good grip without the need of braking to shift weight forwards.
I agree that for TLX the sportiness bar is raised higher so the 0-60 is more disappointing than RDX, and journalists will probably criticize on it, but the chassis is truly world class now, I think this car is going to remind many journalists of 1G TSX and 3G TL.
The 0-60 video honestly looks similar to how stock RDX behaves - the transmission slips to let rev climb up, so the engine is ready to rock in and above 2nd gear. It is not ideal but once I saw the cornering part, all is forgiven. The chassis response is indeed very crisp! The initial damping seems better tuned than RDX, and looks like the front-end has good grip without the need of braking to shift weight forwards.
I agree that for TLX the sportiness bar is raised higher so the 0-60 is more disappointing than RDX, and journalists will probably criticize on it, but the chassis is truly world class now, I think this car is going to remind many journalists of 1G TSX and 3G TL.
I can't help but shake the feeling that Acura opted to hamstring the 2.0T in the power department to make sure it didn't overshadow the Type S. Or maybe Honda would not allow them to build a non-Type S that's faster than their Type R. Maybe I've been reading too many conspiracy stories these days, but this wouldn't be the first time Honda gimped a lower trim to make sure there was enough separation between it and the higher trim model. Everything else about the TLX seems great; traction and handling is going to be superb, interior looks great, etc.
So this is just the 1st review with no spoken audio, and in the comments from a YouTuber with only <100k subscribers?
Let's see where the mainstream auto media comes in at for the overall driving experience.
How this guy could drive and post but not AoA or SavageGeese is beyond me
The title says its ASMR (autonomous sensory meridian response), so these videos rarely have talking unless it's some woman whispering softly into a fuzzy mic or something.
And I don't know about AoA, but SG is usually brutally honest with his car reviews, so I don't know if Acura would want him doing one this early with how fragile the market is on this market. Then again, he really liked the RDX, so I don't know.
Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN
I could be wrong, but I think the engine sounds are enhanced through the speakers while in sport mode.
Yep, it does.
Originally Posted by dmski
This!!! Apsolutely agree. Detuned Type S with a smaller turbo. At the very least it would match 1G or beat it and the hefty price increase would make some sense.
With its low power output, I'd think the turbo is already quite small for the engine. They're probably going for turbo response and low-mid range power over peak power. Make something feel peppy while not actually being that fast.
With its low power output, I'd think the turbo is already quite small for the engine. They're probably going for turbo response and low-mid range power over peak power. Make something feel peppy while not actually being that fast.
Yeah, the K20C4 (and presumably K20C6) use the IHI RHF5 turbo, which is a relatively small turbo. It's already pushing out 20.5psi of max boost; I bet if someone had access to the compressor map for this turbo, they'd see that there's not much headroom left for increasing boost before it starts becoming counter-productive and resulting in less power.
I was able to go and check the new Acura at my local dealer. I had the opportunity to test drive it but I was busy and scheduled it for next Tuesday. A big thank you to Gabriel at Acura Gabriel - Westisland - Quebec!
The first impression:
The car looks much better in person than in pictures. The hood and the front look great. I think Acura did a great job in the design department. The rear end felt weird. Again, look is subjective but I have to double check.
The interior is simply a huge upgrade from the current gen. It's at par with the Germans if not better. The fit and finish is definitely noticeable. The car looks very premium. Everything is solid inside.
The back seat is completely fine. I tried it with the rep and move the seat back and forth and there are plenty of space. It's not an Accord or Camry but sufficient place for two adults and a child. I can tell you it's bigger than a BMW 330.
Some of the issues:
I find the roof is low and getting in or out seemed not very comfortable compared to my 4th gen.
The door panel in A-SPEC did not impress me. But the Advanced looks great.
The backside of the driver and passenger seats have hard plastic like the RDX.
I did not like the wheels. The current 1st gen TLX A SPEC has better wheels.
Overall, Acura got it right in design, look and material departments. If the driving, handling and fuel consumption are also upgraded and noticeable and better, then it will be a huge success. so far, we know only 50% of the car. The other 50% is to be revealed and tested.
I currently have a 2012 TSX Wagon that I've loved, but is getting a little long in the tooth. The rear breaks seized and I had to replace, rotors, calipers, pads, and lines today. Even though now it drives well again, I've been interested in an upgrade, and the dent in my wallet made me feel like now is the time to move on. I called the Acura dealer and asked them to call me when I could test drive the 2021 TLX and they said late next week most likely. Well they called me back a bit later and said actually you can drive it today if you want. They had a fully loaded ASPEC SHAWD in a Gray color with red interior.
First impression was that the car looks fantastic, the design team crushed it. The lines and the profile are great. Getting inside the interior is beautiful, and even though I hate the "nav screen looks like someone just wedged a tablet in your dash" look, I was pleasantly surprised. Good visibility, comfortable seats (I put on the seat vents, amazing), some nice LED lighting, I'm already getting excited thinking this is my new car! I did notice one minor thing that just stood out, the vanity mirrors are from like 1984. Halogen lights not LED's and look like they found them in a warehouse somewhere and slapped them on. Again, a minor detail, but puzzling.
I remembered the article about the sound system being amazing and turned the radio on and cranked the music. The sound was...average at best? I'm not even an Audiophile by any stretch, but my sound system sounded better than this. I checked all the settings and it was set up correctly, nothing funny, but it just didn't sound good. Tinny and hollow. A bit disappointing.
I decided to start driving in normal mode (I prefer a sportier drive, but wanted to see how the regular driving would feel). The car is not responsive, the 0-20mph is really slow, my tsx is so punchy and I love it! My GF drove my car and she commented to me that she wishes her car had that snappiness to it when you push the pedal. This car just doesn't. I don't know if it's the power, or the transmission, but it was a big miss for me. I put it in sport mode and honestly it wasn't much better in terms of pick up. Disappointing. I then took it to some twisty roads to check for body roll, and the car performed great, love the way it handled, way better than the outgoing tlx which I drove a few times. It doesn't deliver the most feedback/engagement ever, but it's still really pleasing through the bends.
I brought the car back, sticker was a little over 47k. I knew that this wasn't the car for me and wishing that the type S was released along side it to hopefully address the lack of snap in the acceleration. I told the rep that I was sorry, it just wasn't the right fit for me, but to give me a call when the type S comes out and I'll give it a shot.
I was really hoping to buy this car today, and don't get me wrong it's not BAD. If you want a smooth driving, great looking (inside and out), tech stacked car, I think you'll be very happy. If, however, you want a true sports sedan, join me in the wait list in hoping the type S will scratch that itch.
TLDR: Great looking, beautiful interior, so/so audio, disappointing acceleration, good handling.
First real review on driving but I’ll wait for others
Im kinda shocked they said it feels stronger faster and more responsive then the outgoing V6. I just don’t see it
Well see what the other reviews say
IMO the 2.0T in the RDX also feels stronger and faster than the outgoing V6...in the midrange. From a dig, it's a bit of a dog as most turbocharged cars tend to be, but once you're moving the mid-range punch is much better. Unfortunately, once you get to the top-end it just runs out of steam (there's a reason why this car shifts well before redline), which is why the acceleration numbers aren't as good, but the overall feel is pretty strong. As for responsiveness...maybe it's because the old V6 was paired to such a horrendous transmission? By and large, a NA engine should be more responsive all things equal, but clearly all things are not equal when one gets saddled with the ZF9 while the other gets a much better10AT.
First real review on driving but I’ll wait for others cause it was only talking
Im kinda shocked they said it feels stronger faster and more responsive then the outgoing V6. I just don’t see it being possible
Well see what the other reviews say
Nothing new IMHO. J35 wins in its linear throttle response, great initial torque below 1.5k, and highway fuel economy because of VCM. For everything else, K20c is on par or slightly better than J35, for example acceleration from above 20mph.
It reads more like an advertisement. Information presented in the official video. Features in the trim-packages and pricing (basically, all the stuff we would rather see in charts).
But it's Forbes. Why are they doing car-reviews anyway?
09-23-2020, 03:55 PM
. There ain't nothing passive about my writing.
