Originally Posted by dopeboy1

Why does everyone act like the 2.0 is the model acura was hyping. Its like acting surprised the previous generation 2.4 isn't fast.

It may not be fast but we don't need to pretend that acura thinks the 2.0 is the "best sports sedan" in Acura's history.

Originally Posted by leomio85

The launch on StraightPipes looks exactly how my 3G RDX launches. You can tell how much power is cut for the first couple seconds before it really starts to open up. Same with the slow downshift. This is what’s killing it’s performance times, and an obvious sign the drivetrain isn’t great. It’s pretty bad when the jolly goobers of StraightPipes are even saying negative things. Tho, maybe they’re listening to feedback that they rarely say anything negative. But, straight line performance isn’t up to snuff, and the handling is questionable. I honestly think this thing missed the mark.

Seeing that the Type S is going to be on the same drivetrain, I think the reviews are going to be worse seeing as expectations are going to be much higher for it. I guess we’ll see. Glad we have another option at least.

Originally Posted by ZipSpeed

So, the question is, if Acura is beefing up the SH-AWD system and 10AT for the Type-S to handle all the additional power, why didn't the 2.0T get the same unit? Not ready? Cost? Pushing customers to the Type-S if they want more power? And with the way they neutered the drivetrain on the 2.0T, who knows if they'll do the same shenanigans with the 3.0T. Day 1 reviews are the most important when it comes to new product launches. Doesn't matter if Acura will fix all the issues at a later date. By then, it's too late.

The slight upside is that Acura still can save a bit of face if they really nail the Type-S.
- No power neutering considering the 350-ish power range is already on the low side in this class. And PLEASE Acura, if you're sandbagging the power numbers just so you'll have an ace up your sleeve next spring, don't. Just let your potential customers know the final numbers NOW, good or bad.
- Tech and Advance/Elite trims available

If Acura wants me to stay with the brand, they have one last chance to entice me with the Type-S. I don't want the 2.0T when my V6 is more responsive (at least with the up shifts, the down shifts are another story) and quicker.

Originally Posted by dmski

Just watched Straight Pipes review. Holly Molly what a HUGE disappointment this car is. The exceleration and downshifts are EMBARRASSING. I'm so disappointed by this I don't think I'm getting the Type S anymore. Just a bad execution overall. Not going to trust this brand with $60K. Oh well, better options out there. Good luck to them.

Originally Posted by Honda430

Regarding the handling, you got 10 reviews that say the handling is very good and one that claims differently yet people want to fixate on the outlier. Makes no sense unless you had a axe to grind against the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Honda430

Regarding the handling, you got 10 reviews that say the handling is very good and one that claims differently yet people want to fixate on the outlier. Makes no sense unless you had a axe to grind against the vehicle.

Originally Posted by rl015

I recommend watching StraightPipes review of 2021 TLX A-Spec... very raw spot on review on any cars they review, and TLX is no exception... drive and handling is not called out as "very good" but rather "wormy" ... for SH-AWD vehicle that is a SHAME! Acura will soon learn that v6 is a MUST to make SHAWD deliver on its full potential.

I am personally feeling Acura has OVERPROMISED - and not only underdelivered, but FAILED to deliver.
Type S, sure it will be better with the v6T twin scroll - but for 60k? no one will pay 60k for Acura... people whoa re in that pricing range will consider C8 and a used 10-15k Lexus or Acura that lasts forever with AWD for winter states lollll

Originally Posted by Honda430

Regarding the handling, you got 10 reviews that say the handling is very good and one that claims differently yet people want to fixate on the outlier. Makes no sense unless you had a axe to grind against the vehicle.

Originally Posted by SebringSilver

But none of those reviews that claim the handling to be good (or bad) have put the car on a track and pushed it to or near its limits. That’s when you know if the handling is good or otherwise. Driving the car on public roads at legal speeds won’t tell you very much. Of course you could argue it’s a mainstream family sedan so who in their right minds would go and track a TLX. But objectively, there are still lots of questions about this car’s performance merits.

Originally Posted by Honda430

Sounds like you got a bone to pick. You’re making excuses. Nobody tracks a TLX.

Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN

Thank you for sharing! I love The straight pipes and savagegeese. TLX does look incredible in that beautiful red color. I'm not at all surprised with the performance being very lack luster. It's been beaten to death at this point but honesty, Acura really dropped the ball by hyping the TLX to be this superior sports sedan and it's very much run of the mill performance to what you can find on other vehicles for less. It would have helped them if they didn't put such a tremendous amount of hype on the performance portion. I'm glad they called out the Type-s for that "Drift". I mentioned it before that it was modified to do so. As Justin mentioned before (I think in here) that the 2.0T are having issues with stalling or cutting out. It's clearly held back as he floors it (3:55 mark) and it falls flat on it's face. This has been the whole debate. Where does your money work better for the performance / options. While I think the TLX has great options (When loaded) and be willing to give up the looks of the A-spec, the performance for the same $$$ isn't there. This is where other vehicles shine for the price bracket vs options / performance. The market is competition is fierce and the sedan segment is slowly dying. Personally think, Acura is trying to place this vehicle in a class where it doesn't quite belong in. Again, it's my personal opinion. I think the base model looks like it will end up as a rental unit. A large vehicle with small wheels, It just doesn't seem right.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Topher's review is out too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8M2_7BOlV0
Seems like he likes it as well (although there is a ton of tire squeal). The stock tires on this thing...

Originally Posted by Honda430

Sounds like you got a bone to pick. You’re making excuses. Nobody tracks a TLX.

Originally Posted by AcuraFan1980

Yes I liked his. Nice review

5:00-5:15 is what worries me though. He didn’t even start at 0. Seeing the exact speed on the heads up display helps to really see what it does

Originally Posted by honda_nut

The fact that Car and Driver noted that this is probably slower than the Accord 2.0t really digs in. How is the "best sports sedan" in Acura's history slower than the more plebeian Accord? Oh, but it's about how it drives. Acura then makes Primacy grand touring tires as standard. People aren't going to drop another grand on new tires right after purchasing a vehicle and throw away a brand new set. But it's bigger than other competition. Proceeds to have cramped rear legroom. More luxurious. Nah. Technology? Nope.

Acura did this on themselves.

Originally Posted by Honda430

The car will sell. I don’t think there’s a doubt that the 2021 is a much better vehicle than the 2020. I’ve always been of the opinion that just putting the RDX cabin in the 2020 would have increased sales by 100%. They’ve done that with better exterior looks. The car will sell.

Originally Posted by Honda430

Regarding the handling, you got 10 reviews that say the handling is very good and one that claims differently yet people want to fixate on the outlier. Makes no sense unless you had a axe to grind against the vehicle.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Topher's review is out too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8M2_7BOlV0
Seems like he likes it as well (although there is a ton of tire squeal). The stock tires on this thing...

Originally Posted by ESHBG

I am going to say the opposite and it will not sell well at all. For the price there are better options and for anyone who absolutely must stay with Acura but wants utility they can be easily swayed towards the RDX/MDX.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

People who buy Acuras are largely pragmatic and make decisions using their brain rather than their heart. That's great for cars like the RDX where it undercuts the competition by quite a bit and offers more space/utility. However, the problem with the TLX is that if you line it up next to an RDX that costs the same, it's going to be difficult for left-brain folks to justify buying the TLX, especially with the huge incentives the RDX currently has. The RDX has more cargo space, a larger backseat, easier to park and get in and out of, etc. The TLX certainly has the emotional appeal and wins on driving experience, that's for sure, but those things don't really resonate with a lot of Acura buyers.

So, I'm calling it now: it's not going to sell as well the 1G TLX. While this is a better car than the 1G TLX, the 1G was really two cars in one, with one of them competing aggressively on price, and it had a pretty lackluster internal competitor in the 2G RDX. I'll go ahead and bookmark this post so that I can either toot my own horn a couple years from now, or admit I was wrong.

Originally Posted by fiatlux

Acura had the same excuse for why they didn't put the 8DCT into the V6 1G; it couldn't handle the extra torque. As to why not, the optimistic answer would be due to cost. The pessimists answer is that they couldn't actually beef it up enough to support the 3.0T without neutering it too, so if they had put it into the regular TLX and taken the gloves off the 2.0T the performance gap might be too narrow (similar to what happened with the M340i and F80 M3).

Originally Posted by honda_nut

Whats funny is tires were one of the biggest complaints in the initial reviews of the 1st Gen TLX. Surprised they did not learn their lesson. Do we need some crazy high performance summer tire? No. But a well rounded performance all season would have been nice. What good is the handling if the standard tires don't let you take advantage of it.

Originally Posted by pyrodan007

^ Interesting, says he has to think about it for comparison. No longer a great value to him due to price increase, confused about material layout versus competition. On a side note, says he got 5.7s for 0-60 but in a different location.

Originally Posted by pyrodan007

^ Interesting, says he has to think about it for comparison. No longer a great value to him due to price increase, confused about material layout versus competition. On a side note, says he got 5.7s for 0-60 but in a different location.

Originally Posted by iutodd

It’s gonna sell. And sell well.

Like it’s not a hugely hard sell: the stereo clearly kicks ass, I’ve read a bunch of reviews putting materials and fit/finish on par with the big guns, and in the around town driving it seems more than competent. It’s also a lot less money than comparably equipped German sedans. Watching Tophers vid makes me think the test drive experience will be good for most people.

You never please everyone. It’s frustrating that the straight line speed is limited by the AWD system and Acura needs to address that for the Type-S and for future 2.0t models.

You also have to understand that the people on this board are the 1%. We know WAY too much about these cars and the specs and the comps for people who don’t sell these things for a living. But I think those people will have an easy time finding buyers for this vehicle.

Do I think it will sell better than the 1G? Given the huge shift to SUVs it would be fairly remarkable if it did. I do think it will sell well compared to the rest of the segment. Even before the pandemic...like look at 3 series and C Class sales numbers...

Originally Posted by pyrodan007

^ Interesting, says he has to think about it for comparison. No longer a great value to him due to price increase, confused about material layout versus competition. On a side note, says he got 5.7s for 0-60 but in a different location.