cruiserchuck

I just looked at the sales numbers. From January 2016 through June 2020, Acura sold 138,432 TLXs in the US. For the same period, Audi sold 138,231 A4/S4. Audi also sold over 6,000 A4 Allroads during that period, so if you count all variations of the A4, it has been outselling the TLX the last five years. TL sales maxed out in 2005 at 78,218, while A4 sales that year were 48,922.

I was a long time Acura owner, and ended up getting an A4 in 2016 instead of a TLX.

Honda430

I never understand the point of these type of discussions. Why is it important that one brand sold 6,000 vehicles more than another over the last 5 years. If your 5 year bonus depended on it I could see the significance. Absent that it’s just silly.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Nothing wrong with a spirited conversation/debate however we need to be respectful. The subforums on Acurazine are meant for friendly conversation - personal attacks or trolling will not be tolerated.

Not intentionally singling out one person - we need to keeps things civil and this applies to everyone.

Looking forward to some fun when the real reviews roll out!

ESHBG

Sedans are supposed to be fairly practical all around performers as far as cars go. The TLX is a sedan competing in a crowded and dying segment so it should aim to be a jack of all trades and even master a few as well.

fiatlux

Don't forget to also add the A5/S5 Sportback to the count as well, since that might as well be an A4 variation if we're talking about a TLX competitor.

Barbecue Tech Tips

Meh, I am debating if I should just wait for the RDX PMC edition or TLX Advanced this fall. Since the rear seat is so unusable, I'd hate to buy the TLX and have a family in the next 5 years and render the car useless.

Tesla1856

Yeah, Audi sells a lot of different sedans. Just look at all the models/variations of 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8's.

Acura has 3 total currently.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The rdx PMC looks good and seems to be reasonably priced at low $50k. The advance trim is already $48500. A fee k above that to get the full aspec pkg along with hand assembly, exclusive paint job, better quality control, and limited production sounds fine to me.

I would have bought this instead of my 2019 advance. I ended up doing some diy to my advance so that it looks more like the aspec.

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

I would definitely consider that thermal orange rdx. I love the orange contrast stitching as well. If history follows a redesign of the rdx should be soon. I do applaud acura for venturing out and using new colors on suv and sedan models.

ACCURATEin

This angle of the car really makes me smile. Spring 2021 is inching closer. Barrel through this 4 quarter, drag through the winter, emerge victorious in april. Call the dealership and tell them to put a fuckin red bow on the top and park it in the delivery bay before i get there. I'm definitely buying this.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Maybe that was the case 10 years ago - but the world has changed. Acura couldn't give the big spacious RLX away - granted there were some other issues (styling for one) but I'll wager it had more to do with the MDX and RDX being very capable drivers than the failings of the RLX.

WTF.Acura

ESHBG

Price and a lack of the more modern features helped to be the killer. And the world hasn't changed much for people still interested in sedans. In fact I would argue that it's the same: four doors, room for a family, decently sized trunk...it's been a pretty standard formula since the days when coupes were more prevalent and you needed to decide between a coupe and a sedan within the same model.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I would disagree. I think the SUV *is* the new sedan. If you want four doors with room for a family and decent storage the SUV is the choice. The fact that they claim only 30% of shoppers are looking for a sedan speaks to this. Maybe the current sedan is the new coupe?

iutodd

https://www.cars.com/articles/2015-a...1420662990964/

The 1G TLX did OK in the car seat check which is the ultimate determination of “family” vehicle as far as I’m concerned.

I know it’s a new car and the geometry has probably changed - but the only actual specs we know so far are that the new TLX is (very) slightly bigger inside and has a bigger trunk than the 1G so it will probably be OK for light family duties.

It’s also been said again and again, and it’s true - SUVs have simply taken over for the overwhelming majority of “family” car buyers. As long as the TLX continues to be acceptable for car seats that’s really all they need to worry about. Because if people are really concerned they’re quite likely to only be looking at the RDX/MDX.

AcuraFan1980

Maybe it’s just the video but it sounded like a considerable amount of road noise. Also wish there was a way to stop that pipped in exhaust sound.

anyone catch how fast he got to 0-60?

pyrodan007

Was thinking the same for road noise. Wasn't sure if it was the fan speed setting, but when waiting at a stop it seemed fairly quiet. For the acceleration I was looking at the gauges, feels like 6s or so. Not super quick to take off, seems similar to RDX to protect gears.

ESHBG

I said "...for people still interested in sedans" because not everyone wants an SUV. For those sticking with the sedan segment what they want hasn't changed just like those who want a sports car it won't change that they want it to be fast, those that want an SUV they want it to be roomy... Segments dictate some very basic things that are consistent so it's an odd move to deviate from this formula for no benefit; "the illusion of RWD" is a really bizarre angle.

pyrodan007

I don't think crossovers must rule everything, some of them are downright useless. Just look at the compact crossovers (CX-30, HRV, etc), they may be taller but are completely pointless when going to Ikea due to shortness. Normal sedans at least are longer and more practical in that regard.

ESHBG

That hood is massive! And yeah unfortunately sounds like a lot of road noise so typical Acura.

Pause at 10:33, the backseat (and rear doors) look pretty small.

Nedmundo

I generally agree, and I think it explains why some excellent sport sedans have struggled in the market recently, like Cadillac's ATS. While Cadillac seems to have targeted the E46 and E90 BMW 3 Series generations, BMW realized the 3 Series needed to be more practical, so the F30 generation emerged with more passenger and cargo space. BMW moved the goalposts, and sold zillions. For sedan buyers wanting that utility, the ATS couldn't compete. I think the Genesis G70 has the same issue. It's excellent, but if your daily driver also needs to be a family car, it just isn't quite there. Heck, the Civic Si has more cargo space.

The new TLX isn't terribly space efficient, but at least it has enough passenger and cargo space to double as a family car for lots of folks. It should be a successful formula, depending on how well it's executed. We'll find out soon enough!

ESHBG

In the video description it says 6.5 seconds so you are right on the money. Ouch.

21/29/24 MPG but if it is anything like the RDX it probably won't do too well in this department.

AcuraFan1980

6.5 is a half second slower than the V6 TLX.

comeon Acura seriously. I’ll wait for more reviews.

pyrodan007

It's for sure an improvement compared to 2.4L, but for a turbo to be slower than the V6 it replaces. Not a good move, not at all actually. It may look sporty a la RWD and make sporty fake noises, but a sports sedan it is not. Together with a 50k (47k min in Canada) price tag, Acura will see some sales go to competitors; no doubt about it.

fiatlux

I think at this point I’m sounding like a broken record, but I expect the car to feel faster even though it’s not actually faster, much like the 3G RDX compared to the 2G RDX.

Guess it’s time to dust off the ol’ sneakers as I prepare to take a few victory laps tomorrow.

Honda430

Let me do this here since you guys seem only intent on pointing out the car's perceived flaws before driving it. That's one damn good looking vehicle both inside and out.

pyrodan007

It looks good, so what? My 12 TL wasn't the prettiest but it was reliable, functional, and relatively fast. We'll see if the new TLX has these qualities.

ZipSpeed

Agreed. My wife drives the larger utility vehicle for those family things so it was quite unnecessary to have two large family haulers. Despite the 1G TLX internal volume that's closer to compact than mid-size, I was able to rear-face my son's Britax Marathon behind the front passenger and still have acceptable front passenger legroom for the wife. The trunk volume is decent and as someone mentioned, much more practical than those useless subcompact SUV cargo space other than perhaps taller items. If the 2G TLX internal dimensions are anywhere around the 1G dimensions, it will be enough for me. My daughter is 6 and my son is 4 so I have years before rear legroom will be an issue. And I don't generally keep my vehicles for more than 6 years anyway, so I'll move to something else with more rear legroom when the kids start to complain.

Honda430

You sound like you got a bone to pick. Did you get burned by purchasing a TLX-1G?

mondster

6.5? Isnt this supposed to be the fastest sedan theyve ever built?

pyrodan007

Based on the feedback so far, I'd pick my 1G TLX (2016+) over this poser anyday. My bone is with Acura for making stupid decisions even on a brand new model. Go ahead, waste your money on a 50k 6.5s fake RWD "sports" sedan that's longer and not more practical.

Tony Pac

Thanks for sharing....the transmission seems like shifting smooth and quick! Tomorrow is the day!

ESHBG

A part of me keeps wondering why does Acura continue to go in this direction? But then I see numerous customers willing to make compromises just to be able to drive one and it all makes sense to me.

• It's slower than the previous model and competitors! So what, who wants a fast car anyway?
• It's made to LOOK like it has RWD but it doesn't actually have it! So what, RWD is dumb.
• It's bigger on the outside but smaller inside! So what, who needs more room?

All of this could be excused if value was still a part of the equation but at these prices that has gone out the window. Props to Acura for targeting this really strange niche market.

leomio85

Looks like I was right. The Type S, with a tweaked drivetrain and not a complete overhaul, is looking like 0-60 in 5.0-5.5s. It's not a comprehensive metric of how fast the car is, but for the layman who's shopping for cars and wants a performance sedan, you can be sure that this stat alone, when compared to the similarly priced German and even Genesis option, is going to make the Type S a very hard sell. In this competitive and shrinking market, it's already dead on arrival ...

Sounds about the same as the 3G RDX, tho camera audio is deceptive. I'd assume they used similar amounts and types of sound insulation as the 3G which you hated so much. Obviously, take it for a test drive, but you're probably going to be looking at other cars if you couldn't stand the 3G RDX road/wind noise.

The Type S is supposed to be. Who knows though, they may just chuckle and say that was just marketing getting ahead of themselves. And they never really specified what they meant by "fastest." But, to be fair, the main commercial for the release of the standard TLX states, "Yea, it's FAST" .... which it absolutely isn't, so there's Acura for you. An absolute turd of a performance brand.

So, in an endeavor to provide evidence of their exaggerated advertising, I can't find the commercial of the TLX they put out. I guess they pulled the ad to prevent them being sued for false advertising.

leomio85

I wonder what excuses will pour in from the apologists when the Type S can't even edge out a 330i xDrive in a straight line, nor in the twisties, while actually being more expensive. A BMW is actually a better value than Acura ... what a time to be alive!!

fiatlux

That’s the Type S

pyrodan007

Even if we wait for the official test result of the Type-S, based on the 0-60 of the 2.0T, there's no way the 3.0T can remove 2 secs. It may do it under 5 but it's looking more like 4.9+.

fiatlux

To this point, this would be the perfect time for Acura to drop twin turbo V6 into this it to go after the M3. Even the most ardent fanboys over at bimmerpost are gagging and gouging their eyeballs out over how ridiculously ugly the new M3/M4 grill is. Even if Acura’s entrant isn’t as high performing, it looks 1000x better and I bet could take away quite a bit of market share from BMW.

fiatlux

It might if they don’t neuter the power in lower gears and implement a launch control system. Without LC or the ability to aggressively brake torque, turbocharged (and especially AWD turbos) are a dog off the line. But without those two things happening, I don’t think it’ll sniff even 5s.

Or maybe by fastest, they mean top speed. Wouldn’t surprise me for Acura to celebrate one of the most useless aspects of a road car

Kense

If a Type S can't break into the 4's this will be the biggest failure of a launch I've ever seen. LOL there is no possible way it's that slow.