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In the TLX FB group, someone at Acura of Lancaster in PA just posted pictures of a bunch of blue A-Specs coming off an enclosed truck and said that they're doing PDI on it right now. I suspect that these are meant for the media to review, which suggests that it's not that journalists are embargoed...it's that they haven't even had a chance to drive the car yet.
Lest y'all think I'm full of crap, the building in the background be this one right here:
Nope, this conversation was about calling you out for not adhering to your own logic.
That and hyperbole statements annoy me
I wasn’t trying to annoy you. I even said the NSX Is a very fast car. But it’s got very limited storage in the cabin and your groceries will cook themselves in the trunk as you’re driving home. Which part of that being “impractical” are you not understanding? Especially if the basis of this part of our discussion has been about the merits of the NSX being an everyday car.
Why are we even arguing about this? Just buy the NSX if you want. I hope you’re happy with it.
I thought we’d have some reviews out about now, month before they are in the dealers. They will come, when they come, I guess.
@SebringSilver , I can attest to the NC1 trunk being hot as balls, even more so than the NA1/2, and that was already hot! I carry a cooling bag and a soft Igloo box in my NA2 for when I’m doing grocery getting. As far as what you are talking about, “specialness”, as I’ll call it, the R8 and it’s brother the Huracan definitely do it better than the NC1. PS those are both reasonably reliable cars as well, Or at least my friends who own them tell me that.
Thanks for that, and I apologize if I’ve made anyone feel annoyed. Let’s just get back to the TLX 2G.
Interesting to note, the battery has been relocated to the trunk into where the pare tire would normally sit. I wonder if this is to make room for the 3.0T. Perhaps that's why the RDX isn't yet getting the Type-S treatment; since its battery is mounted up front.
I like the red seats (except not with the Superman color combo), but I'm not feeling the red armrests. Just looks out of place and tacky since the rest of the door looks so elegant.
I wasn’t trying to annoy you. I even said the NSX Is a very fast car. But it’s got very limited storage in the cabin and your groceries will cook themselves in the trunk as you’re driving home. Which part of that being “impractical” are you not understanding? Especially if the basis of this part of our discussion has been about the merits of the NSX being an everyday car.
Why are we even arguing about this? Just buy the NSX if you want. I hope you’re happy with it.
Originally Posted by SebringSilver
Thanks for that, and I apologize if I’ve made anyone feel annoyed. Let’s just get back to the TLX 2G.
You didn't say anything wrong, so there's nothing to apologize for.
I like the red seats (except not with the Superman color combo), but I'm not feeling the red armrests. Just looks out of place and tacky since the rest of the door looks so elegant.
He posted a many pics of the new TLX. Looks super good. i hope it drives as good it looks. Let's go Acura...show us the magic of 3rd G TLX and 3rd G RDX
I don’t know how I feel about that super long front end. I do agree that red armrest looks out of place and not elegant. Almost as if it’s a replacement for someone who couldn’t get the real grey black color lol Then again, I don’t like red seats so I’m bias
I don’t know how I feel about that super long front end. I do agree that red armrest looks out of place and not elegant. Almost as if it’s a replacement for someone who couldn’t get the real grey black color lol Then again, I don’t like red seats so I’m bias
I agree about the gigantic hood, not like they have an inline 6 ready for future
Interior is similar to the RDX and certainly doesn't seem to be a "step up" like some claimed. Same look and quality of interior materials. I like the interior of my RDX, it's quite nice, but the TLX interior isn't a progression, but merely a lateral movement - not "more mature" or elegant looking in the least as some have claimed. Maybe in curated media pics, but not in real life pics.
The exterior looks great, sans the wheels. Those things don't really suit the car well at all IMO.
Those strut towers are massive! No wonder they couldn't find the battery under there. I don't think that's what's preventing the 3.0T from going in the RDX tho.
I think overall, it looks pretty deng good. Still, overall packaging as far as performance for price isn't there by a longshot. Even folks on BMW forums are underwhelmed, especially once pricing was released. Then again, plenty of fanbois over there who likely will never buy anything without a Roundel in the front of their vehicles.
Interior is similar to the RDX and certainly doesn't seem to be a "step up" like some claimed. Same look and quality of interior materials. I like the interior of my RDX, it's quite nice, but the TLX interior isn't a progression, but merely a lateral movement - not "more mature" or elegant looking in the least as some have claimed. Maybe in curated media pics, but not in real life pics.
The exterior looks great, sans the wheels. Those things don't really suit the car well at all IMO.
Those strut towers are massive! No wonder they couldn't find the battery under there. I don't think that's what's preventing the 3.0T from going in the RDX tho.
I think overall, it looks pretty deng good. Still, overall packaging as far as performance for price isn't there by a longshot. Even folks on BMW forums are underwhelmed, especially once pricing was released. Then again, plenty of fanbois over there who likely will never buy anything without a Roundel in the front of their vehicles.
I believe the TLX Advanced will have a leather stitched upper dash which would be an upgrade over the Advance RDX. A small improvement but one nonetheless.
Interesting to note, the battery has been relocated to the trunk into where the pare tire would normally sit. I wonder if this is to make room for the 3.0T. Perhaps that's why the RDX isn't yet getting the Type-S treatment; since its battery is mounted up front.
This means that there won't be space for a temp spare tire, even if TLX owners are willing to pay extra.
I like the red seats (except not with the Spider-Man color combo), but I'm not feeling the red armrests. Just looks out of place and tacky since the rest of the door looks so elegant.
Fixed.
Last edited by Carnage719; 08-28-2020 at 07:27 PM.
It's bold, but I think it looks about right. Otherwise, it would mainly just be red seats. Also, goes with red gauges, red stitching, etc.
See the pic that shows whole A-Spec interior.
Pretty sure dealers config-ed and ordered these or they are Acura config-ed examples of what extreme looks like.
Personally, if I was going A-Spec, I would have picked Ebony instead.
This means that there won't be space for a temp spare tire, even if TLX owners are willing to pay extra.
But looks like there is a hub there (middle top) to hold the spare down.
I wonder if it was originally big enough to hold full-sized spare, but now just a thin temp spare. Or, it might bulge-up the carpet a bit?
I think Battery will last longer and preform better in cool trunk. There is a lot of core-computers and tech in these cars.
And yes, I was hoping to get (or buy later) a real OEM spare tire.
That's going to look dirty in no time when bare skin is on it constantly
Bare skin ... are you insane ?
Seriously, my current white Accord has Parchment (beige) leather interior. The armrests (and 80% of whole door actually) is light parchment. You just wipe-it-down once a year or so.
Red would likely show less dirt than black or parchment, certainly not more.
Who gives a darn whether BMW forum owners like the car. Once you pay big coin for a status car, you will often look down at other vehicles. Human nature. I have had two people in the last week alone come up to me and rave about how good looking my white ASpec is, yet some people here seem to think it's pretty ordinary....the same folks that think an Audi 4 or BMW 3 series are somehow special looking. Now add the new and improved guts and fit and finnish of the new TLX and it could be an interesting contender to equal or surpass those vehicles. See the article below....
However, I will always reserve judgement until I see the car in person and drive it.
Interior is similar to the RDX and certainly doesn't seem to be a "step up" like some claimed. Same look and quality of interior materials. I like the interior of my RDX, it's quite nice, but the TLX interior isn't a progression, but merely a lateral movement - not "more mature" or elegant looking in the least as some have claimed. Maybe in curated media pics, but not in real life pics.
I think overall, it looks pretty deng good. Still, overall packaging as far as performance for price isn't there by a longshot. Even folks on BMW forums are underwhelmed, especially once pricing was released. Then again, plenty of fanbois over there who likely will never buy anything without a Roundel in the front of their vehicles.
A-spec probably does not showcase TLX interior in the best light. I would say give the car a chance and wait to see it in person. I think TLX is a small step forwards compared to RDX due to true ambient lights, faux-leather wrapped dashboard, and more sophisticated center console design. The design will pop better with wood trim and dual-tone colors.
Still, the only thing I see that is truly ground-breaking is its chassis. Look at all the bracings/bars. Acura finally catches up to BMW level. The increased rigidity is visible in the videos Acura posted - this is going to be a fun car to drive.
BTW, BMW fans have bigger thing to worry about themselves - the grill design!
BTW, BMW fans have bigger thing to worry about themselves - the grill design!
Oh goodness. I wonder what people are going to think looking back at that grill. Just ... terrible. Heck, even the Bangle era BMW's look pretty terrible nowadays, save a few models. But, what I was getting at is that you're not swaying many people (if any) who are considering a BMW with the package that the 2G TLX is offering. This sentiment is more than likely shared by the rest of the German crowd. I think once the performance figures come out, its going to only make things worse. 0-60 times, although hardly telling of how good a car is, is a tangible benchmark that most laymen can wrap their heads around. People who jump to the defense of the TLX say that the handling will sell these cars. Most people won't be able to make a discernible difference between the 2G TLX and its German competitors ... nevermind the placebo effect of being in an Acura vs an Audi/BMW/M-B for the average consumer that looks at cars as appliances.
I agree about the gigantic hood, not like they have an inline 6 ready for future
I love the long sculpted hood. I can't wait to see this baby lit up at night. Something interesting are the rear tail lights with the depth they have. Very similar to the concept you can see the definition in real life pictures.
Interior is similar to the RDX and certainly doesn't seem to be a "step up" like some claimed. Same look and quality of interior materials. I like the interior of my RDX, it's quite nice, but the TLX interior isn't a progression, but merely a lateral movement - not "more mature" or elegant looking in the least as some have claimed. Maybe in curated media pics, but not in real life pics.
The exterior looks great, sans the wheels. Those things don't really suit the car well at all IMO.
Those strut towers are massive! No wonder they couldn't find the battery under there. I don't think that's what's preventing the 3.0T from going in the RDX tho.
I think overall, it looks pretty deng good. Still, overall packaging as far as performance for price isn't there by a longshot. Even folks on BMW forums are underwhelmed, especially once pricing was released. Then again, plenty of fanbois over there who likely will never buy anything without a Roundel in the front of their vehicles.
Originally Posted by mcrompton
I believe the TLX Advanced will have a leather stitched upper dash which would be an upgrade over the Advance RDX. A small improvement but one nonetheless.
Kevin on FB told me that it is a stitched leather dashboard. (The A-Spec he has). RDX only has injection molded plastic on the dashboard.
Simple, not enough brand image for a $150K+ car....people buy supercars even for that, they want the complete package. Even BMW has problem if it gets way too ambitious trying to chase the upper layer of 911, high end AMG coupes or, worse, Ferrari and other real exotic pricing. The GT-R in comparison was a serious bargain vs. the competition (911 Turbo, etc..) it was simply too enticing (and too hyped up by the media) to pass up.
Add to the fact that Acura is perceived as damaged goods or, worse, for someone as a dying brand pretty much like Infiniti not an ambitious rising star.
+1 on the brand prestige and market position. Mercedes are successful with their amg gt now, but they had their lessons with the SLS amg and SLR. Both of those were great cars but priced too high for a Mercedes. The amg gt is marketed and positioned perfectly for the brand.
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
Or maybe due to little things like a 150k car that still doesn't offer cooled seats. And the horrible entertainment system, or not enough quality materials used throughout cabin. Brand image is not crucial if car really is that good. First gen NSX did extremely well for what it was and price point.
To be fair the Nsx does have really good materials. Pretty much everything you can touch and see are wrapped in leather or alcantara. I think may be the design is more if am issue as it doesn't really stand out. I personally don't think the interior quality and materials are any worse than say a Porsche 911.
First year Nsx na1 was priced nicely and Acura back then had good reputation, and Honda was winning f1. But within a few years its sales already gone way down as the msrp went up by about $20k by 1995.
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Acura has been revising the NSX (IIRC 2019 had the most updates). Mostly subtle things suspension geometry and tire selection. No powertrain updates yet. Several YouTube video reviews have been positive on improved front-end feel which previously was slightly tuned toward understeer. Frontend feedback is much better supposidly.
+1, Market prestige is probably the main reason. Acura has been doing some NSX updates but it looks like it's not gonna be successful from a business point of view just like the 1G which was also a failure (suppose to make 25/day but wound up averaging 5/day).
While Acura is not alone for underestimating the market appeal of their 1G and 2G NSX, McLaren had a similar problem with the high end exotic F1 and Porsche with their ubertech 959. Both were business failures despite being excellent cars. McLaren plan was for 250 F1, they only sold 106 (including race cars). Mansour Ojjeh, Ron Dennis and Gordon Murray couldn't understand how the far inferior Jaguar XJ220 was selling 2.5x more cars for about the same price.. The F1 was officially McLaren's 1st car and although they had plenty of racing pedigree, they had no road car heritage.
One thing the 1G NSX did do was wake up Ferrari. Montezemolo berated the Ferrari engineers when he took over Ferrari in '91 and used the NSX as a example m multiple times that exotic's can be reliable and well made.
I'd imagine not many soccer mom's buying RDX's and MDX's (which are very competitive) are that interested in a NSX.
+1. One observation though is that it seems honda has retuned the electrical components and from science of speed, the car is making a bit more power for 2019.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
This.
The R8 is a daily-drivable budget Lambo with a wider dealership network. The NSX is an Acura.
Can you imagine dropping off an NSX for service or warranty work, and then getting an ILX as a loaner, complimentary if you're lucky, oh and don't forget to fill the gas before you bring it back.
May be it's just my dealership but they treat me like a king when I drop off the Nsx (this could be seen as both positive and negative depending on how you are things).
Originally Posted by SebringSilver
Most journalists haven’t had 100,000 km of ownership experience with these cars, which is what I have in combined seat time on two different R8s. It’s sort of like the difference between theory and practical. And just for discussion’s sake, you can easily fit golf clubs in an R8. There’s storage space behind the seats for that explicit purpose. And try bringing a tub of ice cream home in the trunk. As fast as the NSX is, you’re not getting it home before it melts. Don’t even get me started on the cup holders.
Haha the trunk gets hot after a spirited drive. I believe they improved on this for 2019+ though. Having said that, I love ice cream and my ice cream has always been in good shape after getting home
The Nsx is a hybrid after all so in normal driving, the trunk doesn't get that crazy hot. The hybrid stuff is powerful enough to cruise and accelerate with ev mode only.
I think there may be different interpretations of everyday super car and practical super car. My take for the Nsx being an everyday super car is that one can use it everyday without feeling beat up or tired. Its ride comfort is incredibly good. It's quiet when you want it to be quiet. It's easier to drive, park, good visibility, easy to access trunk albeit a bit small, etc. Infotainment is old but works well with Android auto. It also does 28mpg easily every tank without much effort.
As for being practical, it only has two seats so it's already not very practical in that sense. I do have a car seat though lol. I think an actual practical super car is the 911 turbo. Big trunk relatively and can fit 4 people theoretically.
+1 on the brand prestige and market position. Mercedes are successful with their amg gt now, but they had their lessons with the SLS amg and SLR. Both of those were great cars but priced too high for a Mercedes. The amg gt is marketed and positioned perfectly for the brand.
To be fair the Nsx does have really good materials. Pretty much everything you can touch and see are wrapped in leather or alcantara. I think may be the design is more if am issue as it doesn't really stand out. I personally don't think the interior quality and materials are any worse than say a Porsche 911.
First year Nsx na1 was priced nicely and Acura back then had good reputation, and Honda was winning f1. But within a few years its sales already gone way down as the msrp went up by about $20k by 1995.
+1, yeah 1990 NA1 list was $62k which is $126k in 2020. 1995 was $81k, which is $140k in 2020. So the NC1 is priced pretty much in the same range as the NA1, it's just now there's much more competition today (IIRC, Honda's marketing had the 348, 911, and C4 as the 1G NSX competition in a WSJ article fro the mid 2000's about the end of the NSX producion, pretty interesting article). I've been at the Amelia Concours and looked pretty closely at Huracan, R8, NSX, and 911 Turbo on display. I don't recall there being too great a difference in overall quality of interrior appointments and material. The only thing I would say looked a little off on the NSX was some of the brackets and secondary mechancal structural pieces under the front hood.
Originally Posted by iforyou
+1. One observation though is that it seems honda has retuned the electrical components and from science of speed, the car is making a bit more power for 2019.
Haha the trunk gets hot after a spirited drive. I believe they improved on this for 2019+ though. Having said that, I love ice cream and my ice cream has always been in good shape after getting home
The Nsx is a hybrid after all so in normal driving, the trunk doesn't get that crazy hot. The hybrid stuff is powerful enough to cruise and accelerate with ev mode only.
I think there may be different interpretations of everyday super car and practical super car. My take for the Nsx being an everyday super car is that one can use it everyday without feeling beat up or tired. Its ride comfort is incredibly good. It's quiet when you want it to be quiet. It's easier to drive, park, good visibility, easy to access trunk albeit a bit small, etc. Infotainment is old but works well with Android auto. It also does 28mpg easily every tank without much effort.
As for being practical, it only has two seats so it's already not very practical in that sense. I do have a car seat though lol. I think an actual practical super car is the 911 turbo. Big trunk relatively and can fit 4 people theoretically.
+1, forgot you owned a NC1 in your impressive Honda/Acura fleet. Now this thread/forum have a real actual NC1 owner who's transported ice cream in their NC1 without any problem! I like ice cream as well
Have never driven a NC1, but would like to sometime. I see about the same usablity for the mid-engine exotics (488, Huracan, R8, NSX). The main issue I see with the NSX is the hybrid system which give some advanatges (torque vectoring and low end torque but also increased weight) that sort of makes it a less expensive 919 but also the weight and potential long term logivity issues.
As you mentioned a 911 (my brother has a 993 and 996 cabriolet can be a little more practical than a mid-engine). For a good laugh, back in 2012, my wife, two daughters and I spent 4 days with his 996 in Miami Beach (his Cayenne Turbo was in the bodyshop that had delays). It was amusing to see my two teenage daughters in the backseat facing each other with their legs in each other's laps. Won't recommend it but it's barely possible to get a famly of four into a 911 (top was always down so we got a few stares.
As for your car seat, a friend of a friend in Potomac VA has a F40 and took his elementary school son to work one morning when his tiger mom was busy, fortunately the school loop has no speed bumps.
FWIW, I love the rigid lower crankcase design of the NC1 V6, it's very racing like that eash of the crank pins have their own oil chamber to allow the pistons to help each other on down/up strokes (just like modern F1 engines) but also three scavenger pumps and 3 drain plugs. There's seven engine oil drain plugs on a NC1 along with a unsual canister oil filter mounted in the V. Somehow I doubt the TLX Type-S V6 will have something this exotic.
It's bold, but I think it looks about right. Otherwise, it would mainly just be red seats. Also, goes with red gauges, red stitching, etc.
See the pic that shows whole A-Spec interior.
Pretty sure dealers config-ed and ordered these or they are Acura config-ed examples of what extreme looks like.
Personally, if I was going A-Spec, I would have picked Ebony instead.
I have no problem with a bit of red on the door. But I wouldn’t have put it on the door handle. See how much nicer it is if you have the red on the insert instead?
I have no problem with a bit of red on the door. But I wouldn’t have put it on the door handle. See how much nicer it is if you have the red on the insert instead?
The red inserts would look much better. The red grab handles reminds me of someone who just discovered vinyl paint at Pep Boys and decided to overenthusiastically paint everything on their interior.
I noticed there looks to be a threaded hole bracket for a spare tire holddown welded to the middle of the top of the battery bracket strap.
I'm guessing that's for a mini-spare tire/wheel to be secured like on other Honda/Acura's that use that long threaded rod with a thumb nut on top.
So wondering if that's for countries that still require a real spare tire mounted on top of the battery instead of a car of fix-a-flat?
Originally Posted by fiatlux
Interesting to note, the battery has been relocated to the trunk into where the pare tire would normally sit. I wonder if this is to make room for the 3.0T. Perhaps that's why the RDX isn't yet getting the Type-S treatment; since its battery is mounted up front.
Little sloopy packaging, but this looks like the electro-servo brake master cylinder (bottom silver with the small white brake resovoir).
The stepper motor looks to be on the bottom with a "V1" sticker on it, looks similar in config to the NSX (where it's mounted laterally instead of longitudal in the TLX).
ABS modulator/pump is mounted above it, with the black painted hard brake lines.
Rear suspension looks similar to what's on a Accord or CR-V, mult-link with an aluminum knuckle. The CR-V uses an aluminum control arm to support the spring vs what appears to be stamped steel here,
Pretty big diff which the dual exhaust has to snake around, with two cross straps to add rigidity. Spare tire well looks big for just a battery so I'm guessing some markets are getting temp-spares.
Looking at the center differential output and center driveshaft, the area to the right is where I woulda though there'd extended forward from the firewall in the footwell to give more leg room but for some reason (maybe the driver's side appears to have some objects in the way compared to the right. That alternator looks about as much fun to replace as the A/C compressor on a 3G TL.
Whoever decided on the wheels for the non-Type S TLXs needs to be given a different job. That and the rectangular tips do not suit the vehicle well. The rest of it looks great ... it's just those two things that need to be rectified, and probably why the Type S looks so good by comparison.
Whoever decided on the wheels for the non-Type S TLXs needs to be given a different job. That and the rectangular tips do not suit the vehicle well. The rest of it looks great ... it's just those two things that need to be rectified, and probably why the Type S looks so good by comparison.
You know what these rectangular tips under the bumper reminds me of? The ones you'd see sometimes on 4G Camaros.
Whoever decided on the wheels for the non-Type S TLXs needs to be given a different job.
Best I can tell for the TLX 2.0T wheels, they are all the same "Interwoven" pattern wheels (for Tech and A-Spec), just with different parts painted different colors (or mostly bare on the Advance).
Not sure what the wheels on the Standard base-model look like.
08-28-2020, 12:37 PM
yeah there were some new suspension pieces (hubs, bushings, rollbars,...) as well as software updates to the steering, shocks, front motors,... for 2019
