Legend2TL

, Meh and to me that is just a video someone posted online


I'm waiting for a car media proper test sorta like what C&D does below with test results and conditions.
Pretty well thought out vs. someone just posting a video with no instrumentation.

https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1558532916.pdf
https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1530111461.pdf

hondu

https://www.moutfitters.com/blog/5-f...thiest-people/

loki

People who have $60K to spend on a car don't tune and mess around. Maybe 1%. At the same time, people who have $60K and want sport car do not buy TLX. They buy real sport cars. Acura priced themselves out.

ESHBG

It's an odd strategy to say the least. And what will the new MDX be, $60-70K for the upper trims? At this rate that wouldn't surprise me at all.

pyrodan007

At that price a detuned V6T should be the base engine for new non-type S MDX. Replacing V6 with the I4T would be terrible, especially for towing.

fiatlux

I don't think it'll affect the tow rating much. Keep in mind that the limiting factor for most cars is the weight the chassis and brakes can handle (and trans if you have a lousy CVT), not the engine. For instance, the 2.0T in the GLE350 is rated for 7700lbs, whereas the GLC300 with the same exact engine has a tow rating of 3500lb. The X3 M40i can tow 1000lbs, the X5 xDrive40i (same-ish engine but less power) can tow 6600lb.

I highly doubt it will be less than the current 5000lb, especially if other 4cyl turbos like the Ascent (with a CVT no less) or the XC90 can tow 5000lb.

That said...fuel economy is going to be really really really bad towing a heavy load if you're in boost all the time.

pyrodan007

Not only will fuel economy be bad, but won't the acceleration delay be even worse due to extra weight. If one sec is bad on basic light runs, I would be nervous driving towing something with it.

rlx015

How about 53k lolllll .... What is there left to be said (if anything) when you can find BRAND NEW 2020 BMW 540i Xdrive (w convenience package) for 53k brand new (1k miles on the odometer) for 53k ... an all that in Midwest where generally cars are bit more expensive.

shorturl.at/oTV69

2021 TLX has NOTHING TO HOPE FOR with the deals of this kind, because everyone is looking to sell their product. It's a competitive market

Legend2TL

The AoA YouTube video on the new Honda hybrid drivetrain in the Accord and CR-V explains the design and operation very well.

IDK, but that hybrid system was designed probably ~5 years ago way before the GM tie-in. Honda for whatever reason fell behind in hybrid drivetrain tech in the 2000's up to the mid 2010's and made some poor business and technical decisions (ie Accord V6 Hybrid and hydrogen fuel cells).

Honda stuck with the IMA approach even when it was apparent it was inferrior to the Toyota apprach (which basically reused the TRW hybrid patents from the early-md 70's for their basic hybrid system).
IMA was limited in performance and capability, it's small for size and integrates easily but still limits the scope of electric operation. The in the mid 2010's Honda woke up in their hybrid approach and revised it to do a pretty novel (better than Toyota for efficiency) hybrid tech now used.
IMA is still used in the MDX/RLX/NSX but the mass production Honda hybrid is the two MG with the different planatary drivetrain approach.

Honda EV? Not sure where it's at but Honda has been very conservative with their EV tech. GM is not much better, not sure what each company brings to the relationship, whether tech or business.

SebringSilver

Audi A4 vs. Acura TLX


Funny and sad at the same time. You don’t see official videos from Audi, BMW, or Mercedes like this.

fiatlux

As I said before, Acura is playing the role of the yapping ankle biter that's trying to act all big and tough against the GSDs that are the Germans brands.

pyrodan007

And of course from the lights/wheels they're comparing base Audi to fully loaded Advance model. Very fair of course.

SebringSilver

It’s a little bewildering that no one at Acura stops, thinks “hmmm maybe this isn’t a good idea”.

fiatlux

LOLLL I just saw the comparison matrix at the end. They tack on the Nav package, 19" wheels, ventilated front seats, and B&O sound system in order to give the A4 a higher price than the TLX SH-AWD Advance, which is fair if we want to compare prices with feature parity...but then on the next pages they flag the ventilated front seats, navigation, and 19" wheels as optional, insinuating that not only do you pay more for the car, but you don't get these features without paying even more. Oh and they state the Audi only comes with 10 speakers compared to the TLX's 17...but didn't they add the B&O system? That has 19 speakers...

Come on Acura, the Advance is already a great value, now it just looks like you're being disingenuous and manipulative. Bush-league if you ask me.

SebringSilver

One of those Korean brands could just as easily make a video like this with their car versus the TLX.

MM_CHI20

Sad that Acura has to resort to this. The product speaks for itself, does the A4 have a 2 second lag when you floor it?

pyrodan007

"Even if you upgrade to the 45 TFSI model with Quattro AWD, the performance still falls short".
There's a reason why they disabled the comments section, full of BS statements. That table is downright false advertising since both cars need upgrades (thanks to Fiatlux for mentioning it before). Also no word about Virtual Cockpit, acceleration, and interior dimensions.

sonyfever

Unfortunately the answer is a half yes, there is throttle lag in VW family 2.0T as well.

fiatlux

This reeks of “we think are customers are so gullible they’ll believe anything we say”.

As I’ve said before, Acura these days is more of a marketing-led company than an engineering or product-led company. Hell, what is Ikeda’s title again? Chief Brand Officer? Sounds to me like a marketing gig with a little bit of customer experience mixed in.

SebringSilver

Even Buick and Chevy don’t do this amateur stuff anymore. SMH

MM_CHI20

Now they also added a comparison vs the 330i and the Q50.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

Acura posted them the same time the A4 comparison dropped

Kense

LMAO This is one of the most pathetic things i've seen in the automotive world. "Alright now this is what a sports sedan should look like". Really? Jesus Christ Acura.

JackRydden224

I'm quite eager to see the reviews on the 2021 Audi A4 now that Audi added a 12v battery system to the drive train making it a mild hybrid. Audi advertises 0-60 in 5.2 seconds on their website which could be nearly a full second faster than the TLX. The 2020 A4 without the 12v also gets 34 MPG highway in Quattro form where as the TLX SH-AWD only gets 29 MPG highway. Just 15 minutes south of me I got both Audi and Acura dealerships. Once 2021 A4 Prestige and Advanced SH-AWD models arrive I'll test drive both to see if they are worth the premium over the Accord Touring.

Side note: Mechanics I talked to have told me in recent years (since 2012 or 2015) Audi quality have gotten much better.

RedOctober

WOW,

So much bullshit in Acura videos.....
they compared BMW 8-speed transmission to Acura's 10-speed in context that number of gears is better!

BMW 8-speed is waaaay faster and better that Acura's 10-speed.

Well, no Acura for me for at least the next 3 years...

Tony Pac

sure! My mechanic says AVOID Germans at all cost. He tells me get a Lexus and that’s it. Everyone says something but that doesn’t mean is true. My mechanic focuses a lot on premiums/luxury brands than mainstream corolla and civics. Every time I discuss about German cars with him, he said don’t buy yourself a headache.

*Also forgot to add, he tells me that the German cars feed him cost of repairs are much higher and bring a lot more profit on the table.

leomio85

To be fair, I think it was because they were sued by Toyota and Ford for making up a bogus "award" and giving it to themselves about reliability ratings. But agreed, this marketing is pathetic.

Legend2TL

FIFY

https://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/...d-13542686.php

leomio85

Does it surprise you when they also brag about how big the exterior of the car is, without giving you any more interior room? Acura is comparative to a guy with tiny dick syndrome ... attempts to be over-confident to distract others from his shortcomings.










Trust me, I know this tactic very well.

=Þ

fiatlux

It all makes sense now, maybe this is why I keep finding myself coming back to the brand

On a serious note, when I look at the comments from folks in the TLX FB group and r/acura subreddit...I can kind of understand why Acura puts out advertisements reviews like this. The overall intelligence level in those groups ain't all that high...if you think we have a bunch of dumdums here at AZ, hooo boy you're in for a treat.

Tesla1856

It's inaccurate on so many points, I lost count.
Not to mention, it's deceiving to add Audi option to the price, and the chart-box still be red.

And if you have a 2021 TLX-2.0T Advance, you compare it to a ...
2021 Audi A4 45-TFSI Prestige
+ Ventilated Front Seats for $800
= $50,600

Be sure to give the TLX a red NOT AVAILALE for the Digital Virtual Cockpit
... and any other things.
Yes, it's a bit more, but at $50k who really cares (put it in the chart and move on).

cruiserchuck

So it looks like the FWD models come with Bridgestone Turanza tires. The tires do not get good reviews on Tire Rack. I would prefer the Michelin Primacy tires that come with the AWD models.

JackRydden224

I'm 100,000% certain that's why he tells me Audi's are fine, because I'm going to be paying his mortgage down the road LOL.

I agree there's barely any difference in pricing between the top trim A4 and TLX. Each has its advantages but it's definitely not as one sided as Acura made it out to be. I'll be taking a good look at both cars. Worst cast I get an extended warranty for the Audi. I don't keep cars for longer than 6 years anyways might as well enjoy what I have while I have it.

leomio85

M340i, C43, M3/M4, E63, M5, S4/S5, G70, etc ... all have tuning software available. But, who knows, maybe the people looking to tune their cars won't be looking to Acura and starting with a handicap ... both with lower outputs and a questionable drivetrain. By the time I'm ready to buy, it'll be apparent whether or not tuning is going to be available for the Type S.

SebringSilver

According to this video, apparently, a 10-speed gearbox is inherently superior to a 7-speed gearbox. Huh???

leomio85

Same for YouTube. So many people hootin' and hollerin' about Acura making a comeback and putting the TLX on a pedestal, despite getting lukewarm reviews. I honestly think the majority of people who look at Acura are people who refuse to look at anything outside the Honda family.

leomio85

More gears is better. It's logic. 10 > 7, vis a vis ... better. I'm gonna bring my 28-speed mountain bike to the next local Honda meet and show all the tweens what's up with my amazing piece of machinery.

Tesla1856

I always get the extended warranty anyway (Audi, Acura, Honda, whatever). All these new cars are computers with wheels. Who else am I gonna trust to work on my expensive cars ? It almost always eventually gets used for at least something (that falls outside manufacturers warranty).

I haven't had an independent mechanic in 25 years. You certainly would not be using an independent one during warranty period. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I just take it to the dealer for maintenance and repairs.
I use the local NTB for tires (since the Honda dealer used them also way back when). Plus, they like Hondas over there (always want to buy my old but well-kept Hondas).However, now a lot of dealers sell/install/balance/rotate/align tires also. Only the dealer ever touched the 2014-MDX.
ONLY after the 1994 and 2004 Accords were over 10 years old, I have an independent quick-lube place I have used sometimes if I just need a simple oil change (I trust them and they have never messed up). But if I used them, I'm careful to use the dealer for the next one. The dealer is where we bought the Accords. They have my records there and we continue to rotate through the maintenance items as the car ages (timing-chain/water-pump, transmission, radiator, belt/hoses, air cleaners, brakes, etc.).

Kense

Saying “German Cars are unreliable” is such a ridiculous blanket statement that can’t be taken seriously. Which German cars? Mechanics say this because they tend to see used high mileage abused high end German cars that people buy on the cheap to look rich that are way past warranty and haven’t been taken care of. Of course a used AMG with 80k that was abused by previous owners and sold for 12000 dollars may have some major issues.

Instead of saying German cars are unreliable say the make and model so you don’t sound like a hater going on biases that other people told you .

Like I said before I e read horror stories on here about terrible Acura’s so please let’s not act like Acura is bullet proof. My TL was a disaster once it got over 70k. Transmission and engine problems out the ass.

honda_nut

True, Acura's aren't all that reliable, especially the current generation. They certainly can't hold a candle to Lexus quality. And even Lexus isn't doing so well in sales lately despite that. It's a tough market out there, and its not going to get any better. The Tesla Model 3 has put a real dent in the entry level luxury segment. It's a lot of tech for the money if you can overlook some of its flaws.